Pick 6

[Swooper18]

Do not want. Will be a middle of the road, undersized key forward. Not worth a top 10 pick, let alone pick 6.

Nick Riewoldt was less than 195 centimetres tall. Allen is now 193 centimetres. Lockett was 191 centimetres. You did not watch what Allen could do, as I did.

 

[magpies2013]

Just my opinion but since crisp has been moved to the backline I think he has been fantastic.

 

[Apex36]

Nick Riewoldt was less than 195 centimetres tall. Allen is now 193 centimetres. Lockett was 191 centimetres. You did not watch what Allen could do, as I did.

Didn't I? I'm glad you know what I have and haven't watched, since I clearly don't know what I have.

Glad to hear that he's grown a couple of cm, but Lockett is irrelevant. Different era. Allens ceiling is Membrey imo. Not the player I'd want as a pick 6.

 

[Hardas]

Nick Riewoldt was less than 195 centimetres tall. Allen is now 193 centimetres. Lockett was 191 centimetres. You did not watch what Allen could do, as I did.

Who does he play like?

 

[Swooper18]

Allen is likened to Nick Riewoldt & Jack Gunston. If a player is a sub-195cm key forward, then positioning in marking contests & work rate needs to exceed expectations. Oscar Allen ticks those boxes from what I saw, like Nick Riewoldt did with distinction at St.Kilda.

 

[Scodog10]

JDG is contracted?

I believe so. Footywire doesn't list him as OOC and I haven't seen any media coverage confirming he is.

How is it any different to the players being drafted this year? Those standing out from the crowd are next years crop and they still are 12 months less developed its not a year too long as their draft year is next year. A year too long is going as a 19 yo.

It's not being overrated there is some genuine stars coming through, it would be like saying in the year 2000 to load up in that year as the 01 draft was being over rated (we all know how that draft crop turned out) and trade out of the 01 draft, it would be the biggest recruiting blunder in years. Especially given the uncertainty around where we will likely finish.

Imagine if we keep Bucks and the media are into us like this year and the wheels fall off even further...only trade future firsts if you are getting the deal of the century. 100% against trading out of that draft.

Well it isn't. All drafts have that drop off factor, 2017 included. Until the industry stops overrating future talent before they get at least 2 years in an elite pathway I'll continue to highlight that clubs are overlooking the "time value of money" factor.

Ballendon and Spargo are the examples this year. Both were top 10 locks 12 months ago and have slid. Fogarty remarkably could be the same. Unfortunately for some extra time in the underage system can be more of a hinderance than a help.

For me it comes down to value and if clubs thought like we both do there could be some mutually beneficial trades done. I mean we both think the others views on the respective drafts is overstated so there'd be a clear opportunity to get a deal done that benefits both parties.

 

[Finnishpie]

What's the deal with Oxley.

People mention him in shadows and smoke behind the windows (thanks trav).

What's the deal

Good guy or tat bag

Or is it just old tales ?

I wouldn't know. You'd think his career is over but. I mean, at his best he showed something, and his skills were good, but he seemed to drop off a cliff.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I wouldn't know. You'd think his career is over but. I mean, at his best he showed something, and his skills were good, but he seemed to drop off a cliff.

I think some have hinted at other things, which stokes curiosity.
Character matters?

 

[Crazy Tails]

Unless Pick 6 can be used to get us an A grade KP player 25yo or under in a trade (Lever/Lynch etc) go to the draft.

Brander (who appears a good list fit) is a fair chance to be there. Freo probably take local KP player (Naughton??) with pick 5. Brisbane/GC/Carlton/North probably need mids more than KP. So we should get the 1st or 2nd best KP junior in the land.

 

[Hardas]

Unless Pick 6 can be used to get us an A grade KP player 25yo or under in a trade (Lever/Lynch etc) go to the draft.

Brander (who appears a good list fit) is a fair chance to be there. Freo probably take local KP player (Naughton??) with pick 5. Brisbane/GC/Carlton/North probably need mids more than KP. So we should get the 1st or 2nd best KP junior in the land.

That seems wise.
Let's hope there's one that's worthy of the pick, if we can't get a Lynch over the line.

 

[left at home]

All about bags.

I take it, it's not about lollie bags

 

[lenny&carl]

Not sure I think we would be boned on that one. Runs a line with Beams for pick5, Crisp and pick 25 (Greenwood). Lever is a realised potential and you need to pay for that. I doubt very much we would pick a better player than Lever if we go to the draft.

Pick 6 plus one of out 18-25 players would seem right to me.

That's right, Lever is a realised value. No draft pick is a certainty. Recruit elite quality whenever and however you can. If we can consider Lever an elite prospect, get him. Kpf is a bigger need than kpb, but kpb is still needed. If he nominates Collingwood, then get him.

 

[loki04]

Who does he play like?

I'll tell you who he doesn't play like....Nick Reiwoldt.

 

[lenny&carl]

That's right, Lever is a realised value. No draft pick is a certainty. Recruit elite quality whenever and however you can. If we can consider Lever an elite prospect, get him. Kpf is a bigger need than kpb, but kpb is still needed. If he nominates Collingwood, then get him.

But then, Lever not a true key back, but a flanker, like Howe, Sharenburg, Langdon, Crisp?,etc...not a position we need one more of.

 

[Apex36]

I'll tell you who he doesn't play like....Nick Reiwoldt.

Honestly I nearly spat out my drink when I saw that comparison. I'm not even sure he has that special something that it takes to be a long term senior player, let alone a Reiwoldt type...

 

[BEEG]

Just my opinion but since crisp has been moved to the backline I think he has been fantastic.

very very good back half of the season, provides a real hard running style.

 

[BEEG]

Please get Brander

 

[CarnMags]

It's an easy decision in my mind.

We hold onto pick 6, unless it's used as part of a trade for Lever.

Lever is only 21, and is an absolute gun - he is exactly what we need in the backline.

 

[Gone Critical]

But then, Lever not a true key back, but a flanker, like Howe, Sharenburg, Langdon, Crisp?,etc...not a position we need one more of.

I would think better comparisons for Lever would be players like Clement or Doull. I dont mean in that as good as them but he has scope to be very good, Clement range at least, but in that good aerial strength in a small KPB size but with anticipation, agility and ground strength much greater than a more traditional KPB. Much more likely to play on talls than Howe et al.

 

[loki04]

I would think better comparisons for Lever would be players like Clement or Doull. I dont mean in that as good as them but he has scope to be very good, Clement range at least, but in that good aerial strength in a small KPB size but with anticipation, agility and ground strength much greater than a more traditional KPB. Much more likely to play on talls than Howe et al.

Never seen Doull but I did see Clement and he had decent pace and was more then capable 1v1 defender, to the point they changed the rules after he kept spanking Hird by pushing him under the ball and then pushing back to mark it.

Lever doesn't have many attributes similar to Clement physically or his footskills imo.

Imo what Collingwood would be looking from Lever is what Reid provided when fit and injury free, whether Lever can get to that standard while also manning an actually dangerous forward is what the argument is.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I'll tell you who he doesn't play like....Nick Reiwoldt.

At their respective ages, you'd hope not

 

[loki04]

At their respective ages, you'd hope not

At any stage.

 

[MISFITS]

I would see Lever as a great fit for our demographic

Disagree GC
Pork barrelling for the best free agents doesn't create culture.
Compare Gold Coast with GWS.
Gold Coast went for Ablett. GWS Ward.
Ward has leadership qualities.
Ablett a Brownlow medalist.
The GWS model wins.

Besides with the money we pay on established Stars like Lever, we could fit 5 rookies and with Lever potential.(providing Hine doesn't **** up the draft.)

 

[Gone Critical]

Never seen Doull but I did see Clement and he had decent pace and was more then capable 1v1 defender, to the point they changed the rules after he kept spanking Hird by pushing him under the ball and then pushing back to mark it.

Lever doesn't have many attributes similar to Clement physically or his footskills imo.

Imo what Collingwood would be looking from Lever is what Reid provided when fit and injury free, whether Lever can get to that standard while also manning an actually dangerous forward is what the argument is.

Remembering he is a developing player Lever has many similar attributes. Fantastic on intercept and reading the play but also excellent 1v1 and good on tackle and harrass. Steps around players easy and runs really well for someone his size, agile. Doull apart from playing for Carlton was just playing royalty. Think of Clement as very much a poor mans Doull.

 

[Gone Critical]

Disagree GC
Pork barrelling for the best free agents doesn't create culture.
Compare Gold Coast with GWS.
Gold Coast went for Ablett. GWS Ward.
Ward has leadership qualities.
Ablett a Brownlow medalist.
The GWS model wins.

Besides with the money we pay on established Stars like Lever, we could fit 5 rookies and with Lever potential.(providing Hine doesn't **** up the draft.)

Then again you could go Burgoyne to Hawthorn, Buddy to Swannies, Hall to Swans, Lockett to Swans, Danger to Geelong, Beams to Brissie, Shaw to GWS, Treloar to Collingwood, Boyd to Doggies etc etc

Lever looks a great kid with a great attitude. Fills a hole in the team. Would be a great fit. Add 5 rookies instead means delisting 4 others and you would be long odds that any of them would get near Lever. If you want to compare Lever to getting 5 draftees instead you have to also add in the 4 others you lose out the other end in addition.