Pies hit the jackpot

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I cannot see how Collingwood can fail to make the top 4.

I know that there is no way the AFL can have a fair draw unless every team playes each other twice, but there is no doubt Collingwood get the best draw year in year out.
The Pies are playing good footy ATM but I am sure a few other teams vieing for the top 4 would love to have Collingwoods easy draw.

In this day and age with so much money involved in footy surely the AFL cannot keep giving Collingwood the easiest run every year.

Discuss.




Stevens: Pies hit jackpot
05 July 2007 Herald Sun
Mark Stevens

THE AFL often talks up its fancy new software, designed to spit out the fairest fixture possible, Mark Stevens writes.

Created by Canadian company Optimal Planning Solutions, the computer geeks swear by it.

It must be good. Hey, the NFL is using it.

Yet, no matter how much it spends on programs, the AFL draw will never be bullet-proof. The competition can never be truly equal when all teams aren't playing each other twice.

There are always winners and losers. The moment the draw is released every October, we all guess who they will be.

Right now, it is easy to make a definitive call.

If you're feeling sorry for Collingwood amid the latest Alan Didak controversy, don't.

The Magpies have a dream run home. They are the big winners.

When you make a final judgment, it all comes down to the seven teams each club plays twice.

And the Pies surely can't believe their luck.

The four teams you'd love another crack at beyond Round 15 are blatantly obvious -- Richmond, Melbourne, Carlton and Brisbane.

Collingwood gets all four in its final seven games -- in a row at the MCG, if you don't mind.
The Pies have the Lions in Round 17, Carlton in Round 18, Richmond in Round 19 and Melbourne in Round 20.

With eight wins in the bank already, four wins from that lot should be enough to book a finals berth.
Yes, the Demons rolled Collingwood on the Queen's Birthday, but there are far more fearful sides around. The bookies aren't silly. They've done their homework and have the Magpies at the skinny odds of $1.08 to make the eight.

No other finals contender -- we're talking Geelong (first) down to St Kilda (12th) -- gets the chance to meet all four stragglers twice.

Only Sydney, Port Adelaide and the Kangaroos come close to matching the lucky Pies with three games against the "not-so-awesome foursome".

The Swans get Brisbane, Richmond and Melbourne twice, with a nice little bonus of six of their last nine games in NSW/ACT.

Port gets Richmond, Melbourne and Carlton. The Roos have another chance to potentially beat up on Carlton, Brisbane and Melbourne.

Essendon, Geelong and St Kilda have two double-up games against the "bottom four".

The unlucky clubs are West Coast, Adelaide, Western Bulldogs, Fremantle and Hawthorn.

The Dogs only get the Demons twice. And they are probably the most dangerous of the bottom four. There's no second bite of the cherry against Richmond, Carlton and Brisbane.

West Coast gets the only another shot at Richmond. The Dockers just get Melbourne.

Hawthorn and Adelaide get only Brisbane twice.

So five finals contenders get only one rematch against a member of the bottom four. The Pies get four.

That is a massive discrepancy. The AFL had no idea the season would pan out this way, but the Pies are blessed.

There is no quick fix to the on-going problem. A 30-game season is the only solution and that's not going to happen. A 15-game home-and-away schedule is too short.

The AFL has a tough job, considering the compromises of blockbuster and stadium deals, but don't for a moment think it's almost an even playing field.

We all talk about how close this competition is. A goal here, a goal there can decide it.

The final seven weeks will be full of hyped-up predictions and permutations. But, in so many ways, it will come down to the luck of the draw.
 

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Looks like Mark Stevens 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th choice stories / interviews didn't come off this week...

Amazing innit how you do a draw before the historical information, and some teams miraculously get better, and them easy teams are not easy to beat.....UNBELIEVABLE !?!?!?!
 
There is no such thing as an easy game, whether it be Collingwood Hawthorn or Geelong. They still have to win. The current draw just means that Collingwood don't have to travel as much...........but that can change during the finals, should they have to play interstate.

Any team currently in the 8 has a chance of finishing in the top 4. There are some outside the 8 who think they can make it also.:rolleyes:
 
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There is no such thing as an easy game, whether it be Collingwood Hawthorn or Geelong. They still have to win. The current draw just means that Collingwood don't have to travel as much...........but that can change during the finals, should they have to play interstate.

Any team currently in the 8 has a chance of finishing in the top 4. There are some outside the 8 who think they can make it also.:rolleyes:

Oh please don't trot out the old "there are no easy games" routine.

Fact of the matter is that one team can get the double chance and a realistic shot at a Premiership while the others vieing for the same spots have to do it much harder.

Of course being a Collingwood supporter you can trot out the no easy game line but the fact of the matter is Collingwood get it easy every year.

I think people can live with an uneven draw as long as it does not advantage the same team all the time.
 
So the AFL were supposed to know that Melbourne and Richmond would be crap teams this year? Weren't Melbourne tipped for top 4 at the start of the year and the Tigers in the 8??
 
Oh please don't trot out the old "there are no easy games" routine.

Fact of the matter is that one team can get the double chance and a realistic shot at a Premiership while the others vieing for the same spots have to do it much harder.

Of course being a Collingwood supporter you can trot out the no easy game line but the fact of the matter is Collingwood get it easy every year.
When Carlton, Essendon and Richmond are rubbish it is easier and when they are good it is harder. We had plenty if years when it was harder. The travel is a marginal difference when you work the numbers out and Collingwood’s travel record is good. The MCG is where we play many away games at the request of the home team. What else bothers you about Collingwood’s draw?
 
Never expect Collingwood to have a hard run home but FFS their draw near borders on the AFL cheating to get them over the line.


How could anyone have known that Melbourne would implode? And I, for one, wouldn't have expected Richmond to be any worse than middle of the table. How many people would have predicted the composition of the current eight, for example? Every man and his dog (myself included, actually) was tipping Collingwood to fall out of the eight. Some people were even tipping us for the wooden spoon.

In a competition this volatile how can the AFL rig the draw so that Collingwood gets an advantage in the teams it gets to play twice? To do that, you have to know who's gonna be crap and who's gonna be good, and one glance at this site or the tipsters in the media will tell you that no one is even close to bulletproof when making those sort of predictions.

You're spruiking another nonsense conspiracy theory.
 

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So the AFL were supposed to know that Melbourne and Richmond would be crap teams this year? Weren't Melbourne tipped for top 4 at the start of the year and the Tigers in the 8??

Richmond have been crap for 27 years, what do we have to send an email to tell the AFL that.:p
 
How could anyone have known that Melbourne would implode? And I, for one, wouldn't have expected Richmond to be any worse than middle of the table. How many people would have predicted the composition of the current eight, for example? Every man and his dog (myself included, actually) was tipping Collingwood to fall out of the eight. Some people were even tipping us for the wooden spoon.

In a competition this volatile how can the AFL rig the draw so that Collingwood gets an advantage in the teams it gets to play twice? To do that, you have to know who's gonna be crap and who's gonna be good, and one glance at this site or the tipsters in the media will tell you that no one is even close to bulletproof when making those sort of predictions.

You're spruiking another nonsense conspiracy theory.

Crap. Its not nonsence and you know it. Collingwood get a leg up every year and Vlad pays lip service to it saying that all of the melbourne clubs want to play Collingwood twice. The draw should be balanced over a four year period so that everyone gets a fair go.
 
I know lets play carlton in subiaco, geelong at aami and we will play richmond in my barkyard :rolleyes:

AFL has got a s**t scheduling system, should be random draw but since we got a easy draw :D stuff that idea
 
Crap. Its not nonsence and you know it. Collingwood get a leg up every year and Vlad pays lip service to it saying that all of the melbourne clubs want to play Collingwood twice. The draw should be balanced over a four year period so that everyone gets a fair go.

Right, your incisive argumentation has shown me the error of my ways.

The argument that Collingwood was deliberately advantaged by the AFL in who we play twice is clearly nonsense.

If they want to work the draw on four yearly cycles, that's fine by me. But that's not the argument I was making.
 
collingwood's draw is unavoidable because of the MCC preliminary finals contract and also the AFL propping up three spacefiller clubs. personally i like the finals arrangement so i support the AFL on giving collingwood a good draw as a result.

if you ask me melbourne and carlton tanking does far more to compromise the draw, anyone who plays them between now and round 22 should get the 4 points because the dees and blues certainly don't want them.
 

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