List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[Ben the Gooner]

It seems like Sanderson doesn't rate him in the slightest, so he might be very gettable, as Broughton was last year.

Broughton had cap issues impacting the trade (he was due 400k+ this year as part of a back-ended deal and GCS agreed to pay that amount), which is why he went for such a late pick, but great analogy. Good player not rated by a new coach. Reel him in.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Polec has not yet completed a full pre season in his three years a the club to due injury. As soon as he comes back and is on the cusp of senior selection he gets injured again. It's frustrating for all of us..

Oh, believe me, you're talking to the right group of people about that happening to a top 5 pick.

On Karnezis, his footskill are alright. His pretty similar to Pendlebury.

That was the only aspect of his game I wasn't 100% sure on, but if they're up to scratch as you say, even with his defensive limitations, there's a HFF role for him at the Dons if he's interested...

Crisp is someone who gives it his all. He showed some good signs last year but this year he has not been as good when in the seniors. Probably fringe at best

Last year was what won me over, but I haven't actually seen him play this year. Is he likely to stay on the list?

 

[cotter101]

Oh, believe me, you're talking to the right group of people about that happening to a top 5 pick.



That was the only aspect of his game I wasn't 100% sure on, but if they're up to scratch as you say, even with his defensive limitations, there's a HFF role for him at the Dons if he's interested...



Last year was what won me over, but I haven't actually seen him play this year. Is he likely to stay on the list?

There are a few ahead of him on the chopping block. I think he is still contracted and will probably be on the list next year if he is.

 

[FlyingV]

I thought there was talk of Polec heading back home to adelaide.
The guys a jet, I tthink Sheehan (someone well respected) said he was one of the best prospects he'd seen go through the TAC system. Would take. I think he's mates with Heppell

 

[LukeParkerno1]

we wouldn't have had access to the really top bracket, the blokes around the 12-15 spot where we would be picking are not sure things. Completely different situation if we were like 10th spot down, but the draft doesn't look great to be perfectly honest

Ultra good top end (top 10 picks), but it drops off. If we had to miss a whole draft, imo this is the one.

 

[bombermick]

I don't see the point of us trading into the second round, when Emma Q says that the first 12 picks are fantastic, but it goes downhill very quickly after that. We'd be better off keeping what we've got (unless somebody like Crameri really wants out) taking the best availiable with our third-rounder and upgrading Dagleish and possibly Steinberg.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

There are a few ahead of him on the chopping block. I think he is still contracted and will probably be on the list next year if he is.

That's a fair point actually. I think you'll be turning the list over quite a bit what with retirements, trades (Karnezis style) and the inevitable delistings of players who just never got near it that every club has every year.

Brisbane is a really fascinating example of list management this season. You have 4 genuine best 22 key defenders, and it'll be very interesting to see what the new coach does in that regard. Merrett is the best of the lot IMO, and is only a good forward, so I think it's a bit counter-productive to play him forward. That means you need to either play Patfull in an Adcock-type role or trade one of the others, which is difficult because Clarke is so young that he's more valuable to you than a trade would be, and Maguire probably isn't worth a heap in a trade either due to age and injury, and Patfull is a free agent which means you won't be fairly compensated. I think the only solution is to play Patfull as a rebounding defender.

Patfull - Merrett - Maguire
Golby - Clarke - Docherty
Hanley - Rockliff - Adcock
Bewick - XXXX - Mayes
Martin - Staker - Green
Leuenberger - Redden - Rich
Zorko - Raines - Moloney - (raffle it between about 6-8 like Polkinghorne, Beams, Yeo, Harwood, Paparone, O'Brien, Lester, my boy Crisp)

That's a top 8 team if you can address the big XXXX at CHF. Martin is only in there ahead of Paparone because you need a ruck. There's some pretty experienced depth in the list of players for sub there as well.

 

[eth-dog]

What I'd do for a forward who can win hitouts... Such a pity that Campbell has found form at the dogs and will likely stay there

 

[Drummer_19]

Any chance we rookie TIPPPAAAA?

 

[Phone]

Resign him and he'll be worth just as much in 2 years anyway.

except he'll now be a free agent. I'm fine with a 4 year deal for TBC, or a 1 year deal for TBC, but we should be avoiding a 2 year deal

 

[lenny2013]

Not taking Gartlett last year is looking stupider by the day. Oh well can't win them all.

I'd be happy to take a punt on him with our 3rd rounder (pick 45) that if he's available.

If we could get a 2nd/3rd rounder for Gumby I'd be very happy also.

 

[Zach Package]

so our first pick is now 46 ish...still not beyond us to draft a pretty good player with that.

since 2005 the following have been drafted in the 40's: A.Swallow, R.Warnock, A.Carlile, Houli, Garland, Schofield, Mayne, Steven, Sloane, Hunt, Stanley, Christensen, Stratton.

Just got to pick the right bloke

 

[ollieemcdowall]

I thought there was talk of Polec heading back home to adelaide.
The guys a jet, I tthink Sheehan (someone well respected) said he was one of the best prospects he'd seen go through the TAC system. Would take. I think he's mates with Heppell

To start with Polec didn't even play TAC cup as he is from Adelaide haha. Not sure if he is friends with heppell either

 

[Yoda_]

Our rookie list will be more value than ever with the logistical benefits of recruiting players on 1 year deals allowing us to evaluate them year - by - year rather than a 2 year deal as per National Draft rules.

In saying that, we may very well select our 3rd round draft pick and upgrade Dalgleish and Steinberg after his outstanding development in the past 18 months, would allow us the flexibility to potentially look at trading a Pears or Hardingham and giving us an open rookie listed position.

Dell'Ollio will be done on what we do with Davey IMHO. Should he continue, Dell remains on the rookie list whilst the unfortunate knee injury that Hal Hunter sustained has all but rubberstamped his papers.


We will be making minimal changes as possible IMO. Hille and NatRat will retire and the unfortunate Luke Davis did not come on after sustaining a pretty substantial ankle injury last year.

That would see the senior list changes as

OUT:
David Hille (retire)
Nathan Lovett - Murray (retire)
Luke Davis (delisted)

INS:
Round 3 National Draft Pick
Lauchlan Dalgleish (rookie upgrade)
Ariel Steinberg (rookie upgrade)

then our rookie list would be fairly open and give us an opportunity to have some more speculative picks

Corey Dell'Ollio
Round 1 Rookie Draft Pick/Pre - Season Draft Pick
Round 2 Rookie Draft Pick
Round 3 Rookie Draft Pick


With our picks though, I would love for us to be adventurous and try and find ourselves another Dalgleish, instead of settling for another Baguley or Howlett (no offence to either but I don't see either as being world beaters). We need to be bold and look for that gem, the one with the rough edges. Maybe look to one mature aged player, a ruckmen for insurance should TBC leave.

 

[Yoda_]

I don't see the point of us trading into the second round, when Emma Q says that the first 12 picks are fantastic, but it goes downhill very quickly after that. We'd be better off keeping what we've got (unless somebody like Crameri really wants out) taking the best availiable with our third-rounder and upgrading Dagleish and possibly Steinberg.

I hadn't seen this before my post but these are my thoughts exactly

 

[Yoda_]

so our first pick is now 46 ish...still not beyond us to draft a pretty good player with that.

since 2005 the following have been drafted in the 40's: A.Swallow, R.Warnock, A.Carlile, Houli, Garland, Schofield, Mayne, Steven, Sloane, Hunt, Stanley, Christensen, Stratton.

Just got to pick the right bloke

Just had the mid week rub on Triple M on during the drive home and we were often reffered to as very difficult to trade with. We are like this, hardly ever getting first round picks into our hands, so what is going to magically change?

If we are to turn the list over (which I don't see happening mind you), we should be aiming to have 3 or 4 picks inside the top 60. That would give us the best chance of minimising the risk on that 'generational gap' people were referring to.

 

[Yoda_]

Any chance we rookie TIPPPAAAA?

Having seen most of his games he has played at VFL level, it's fair to say that Essendon are keeping tabs on him. We have tried him in a number of positions during the year and he has done them with ablomb (most of the time) and the odd flash of sheer brilliance too.

Give him a year on the rookie list to see if he can push himself harder, to force his way into an AFL team.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Any chance we rookie TIPPPAAAA?

Hope not, probably better options.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'd be happy to take a punt on him with our 3rd rounder (pick 45) that if he's available.

If we could get a 2nd/3rd rounder for Gumby I'd be very happy also.

We should have punted on him last season, but anywhere in the 2nd round (we would have to aquire that pick) would be a good pick. That said we could have got him for basically nothing last season, instead we rookied some players that were just not going to make it.

 

[FlyingV]

To start with Polec didn't even play TAC cup as he is from Adelaide haha. Not sure if he is friends with heppell either

Haha yeah and turns out it wasn't Sheehan it was Michael Godden.
Fail, my bad

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I hadn't seen this before my post but these are my thoughts exactly

Really depends how we rate the draft, From what is being said Emma is spot on, the first 10-15 are elite, after that it is chook lotto with players that have deficiencies unfortunately. That said we might REALLY rate the draft, it depends on our list manager. If we can get a pick inside the top 15 we would take it though as that is where the elite talent is.

 

[Yoda_]

Really depends how we rate the draft, From what is being said Emma is spot on, the first 10-15 are elite, after that it is chook lotto with players that have deficiencies unfortunately. That said we might REALLY rate the draft, it depends on our list manager. If we can get a pick inside the top 15 we would take it though as that is where the elite talent is.

If you could get a realistic pick inside the top 15, you don't take it, you snatch it and run to the hills.

Sadly though, Essendon have been terrible at the trade table in recent years (apparently) and now this whole situation just adds salt to the water.

Every draft is rated on only the first 10 - 20 kids, but then all of a sudden 30 kids come from the clouds to make names for themselves (thinking 2008 here where it was a good class, but it is now potentially able to rival the great super draft of '01).

Even if we do "rate the draft" we don't move heaven and earth to get inside that first round, we do what is right for the list and what we predict the future will hold for us and our players.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If you could get a realistic pick inside the top 15, you don't take it, you snatch it and run to the hills.

Sadly though, Essendon have been terrible at the trade table in recent years (apparently) and now this whole situation just adds salt to the water.

Every draft is rated on only the first 10 - 20 kids, but then all of a sudden 30 kids come from the clouds to make names for themselves (thinking 2008 here where it was a good class, but it is now potentially able to rival the great super draft of '01).

Even if we do "rate the draft" we don't move heaven and earth to get inside that first round, we do what is right for the list and what we predict the future will hold for us and our players.

I agree, but we have to be very diligent and think about pick upgrades, if we can get Colyer or Jetta for an upgrade, do it, these players whilst are handy, are purely backup players. I wouldn't want to trade TBC or Crameri UNLESS they wanted out, and reluctantly I would let TBC go more than Crameri! In our situation we have to be prepared to take Garlett types where attitude has been an issue. These are 1st rounders except the attitude, and we need to be prepared to gamble a bit on these picks.

 

[Yoda_]

I agree, but we have to be very diligent and think about pick upgrades, if we can get Colyer or Jetta for an upgrade, do it, these players whilst are handy, are purely backup players. I wouldn't want to trade TBC or Crameri UNLESS they wanted out, and reluctantly I would let TBC go more than Crameri! In our situation we have to be prepared to take Garlett types where attitude has been an issue. These are 1st rounders except the attitude, and we need to be prepared to gamble a bit on these picks.

In my honest opinion, I don't see other clubs handing over top 30 picks for ANY of our players, hence we should be utilising our year - by - year rookie list prospects. When the time is right in 2016, we can go BANG and try and get ourselves 2 - 3 - 4 top 20/30 picks but as it stands, this whole ASADA situation will certainly push people off us as well.

 

[WEEVZ]

Would you trade Bellchambers and Crameri for Billy Longer and our second round pick (24-26)?

Bellchambers and Crameri are worth more than a 2nd year rookie and a 2nd rounder when you combine them like that. Both are stars when on their game, particularly Crameri.