Status in Question Player removed from Hall of fame?

[WalshistheGOAT]

Whilst I'm not a big fan of even giving them a platform - there are plenty in this world who would, and without the interrogation/ridicule they deserve. All up, Sam may have done a good thing here. I don't know (have not listened). The reason I don't know is I have a poor understanding of the folk who lap this shit up. Maybe Sam is doing us all a solid. But I really don't know.

It was a crap podcast regardless, not worth a listen. Just two whack jobs spouting rubbish and Newman questioning some of their opinions and decisions without getting too fiery. Hardly groundbreaking stuff.

Far more interesting documentaries are available that better capture how these radical ideologies alienate their members and cut them off from the rest of society which leads to further issues itself.

One of the guys I went to school with went down this route during COVID and now has a herd of sheep and stashes fuel somewhere up in the high country preparing for the new world order takeover or something

 

[thejester]

Had a listen to the Podcast, as always the media going off halfcocked with confected outrage. Sam hardly supported them and actually treated them with disdain during the interview

Sounds like a really worthwhile exercise all round!

 

[bigfarter]

Had a listen to the Podcast, as always the media going off halfcocked with confected outrage. Sam hardly supported them and actually treated them with disdain during the interview

Why even give them a platform at all?

 

[BomberManU]

Disagree with that. Some of the most interesting documentaries I've ever watched have been based around controversial figures. Former Nazi's, serial killers, members of the KKK, modern day neo Nazi's etc.

I don't agree with almost anything any of them stood for or said, but I see no harm in the content being available for viewers to consume if they so wish.

Louis Theroux was always a favorite of mine in the space of interviewing and providing insight into some of these peoples existences and thought processes regardless of whether he condoned their behavior or not.

That's fine, and I agree that people should be able to watch what they want, within reason. But most of your examples have the benefit of time having passed. And yes, Louis Theroux is great, one of the best. His Scientology expose was riveting stuff.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Newman is 79. He should be politely ignored. Which is what i imagine the whole world is doing, and why he invited on two nazis. Even if he positions himself as disagreeing with them, he's probably had more listens on this pod than the 10 previous ones combined.

 

[craffles]

Outrage for the sake of outrage. 1000’s of interviews with awful people by many journalists over the years. I don’t like Sam that much and don’t often agree with his views but if he’s called them out on his platform that’s fine.

Would be a completely different story if he was sympathetic with their views on in agreeance with them.

 

[TheHumanShoe]

I really dislike that people are defending his actions to have a podcast with these Neo-Nazi scum.

It's not enough for him to disagree with them, it's pathetic and he's part of the problem by allowing it to go to air and reach new people.

Stop trying to justify his actions.

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[Registered User]

I heard a bit of the following episode (it was after the two nazis had left). For what it's worth, Sam referred to Blair Cottrell as an uninvited interloper, a turd, opportunist, star-f*cker, parasite and a scumbag

 

[craffles]

I really dislike that people are defending his actions to have a podcast with these Neo-Nazi scum.

It's not enough for him to disagree with them, it's pathetic and he's part of the problem by allowing it to go to air and reach new people.

Stop trying to justify his actions.

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Do you want to live in an echo chamber where you only hear things that keep you lolly gobble bliss bomb happy? True journalism reports on the good, the bad and the ugly. If we simply forget or avoid difficult things, we never learn or grow as a society or individuals.

 

[TheHumanShoe]

Do you want to live in an echo chamber where you only hear things that keep you lolly gobble bliss bomb happy? True journalism reports on the good, the bad and the ugly. If we simply forget or avoid difficult things, we never learn or grow as a society or individuals.

Tell me, what is so precious that we can learn from these kinds of people that we already don't know?

Quit trying to be a centrist and justifying neo-nazis being allowed platforms to speak.

Fascism isn't open for discussion.


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[Osho]

these dudes are definitely nazis. All three of them.

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That's a relief.
I thought he was talking about Thomas Sowell. I was thinkin', what the hell is Thomas doing in a rusting garage in Docklands ... LOL.

 

[craffles]

Tell me, what is so precious that we can learn from these kinds of people that we already don't know?

Quit trying to be a centrist and justifying neo-nazis being allowed platforms to speak.

Fascism isn't open for discussion.


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The irony in your post is that this thread exists and you so strongly calling out their behaviour publicly (rightfully so) is exactly why the interview, and confrontational journalism is important.

It might be uncomfortable, but it’s important, otherwise beliefs, values, behaviours and more get forgotten.

 

[Osho]

Tell me, what is so precious that we can learn from these kinds of people that we already don't know?

Quit trying to be a centrist and justifying neo-nazis being allowed platforms to speak.

Fascism isn't open for discussion.


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Well Shut Up then!
ROAR!

 

[TheHumanShoe]

The irony in your post is that this thread exists and you so strongly calling out their behaviour publicly (rightfully so) is exactly why the interview, and confrontational journalism is important.

It might be uncomfortable, but it’s important, otherwise beliefs, values, behaviours and more get forgotten.

My post isn't "Wow, this makes me uncomfortable and I don't want to hear it/confrontational "journalism" is bad", my post is that there is absolutely no good reason to give them a platform to speak on.

Do you really think them being "shamed" by Sam Newman is detrimental to them? No. They went on it to be able to reach further audiences as he has a larger audience and a greater pull. All publicity is good publicity.

Hence why it's dangerous and highly irresponsible for them to be allowed to speak about their hateful views.

Saying what Sam Newman did by speaking to them and has some good merits is highly dangerous.




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[kickazz]

Do you want to live in an echo chamber where you only hear things that keep you lolly gobble bliss bomb happy? True journalism reports on the good, the bad and the ugly. If we simply forget or avoid difficult things, we never learn or grow as a society or individuals.

This is true but we also have a finite capacity for media consumption. Those holding the megaphones need to some level of curating for us. We don't have time for it all.

These guys are known **** heads, unless they have something amazingly new to add, it's just a big waste.

 

[craffles]

My post isn't "Wow, this makes me uncomfortable and I don't want to hear it/confrontational "journalism" is bad", my post is that there is absolutely no good reason to give them a platform to speak on.

Do you really think them being "shamed" by Sam Newman is detrimental to them? No. They went on it to be able to reach further audiences as he has a larger audience and a greater pull. All publicity is good publicity.

Hence why it's dangerous and highly irresponsible for them to be allowed to speak about their hateful views.

Saying what Sam Newman did by speaking to them and has some good merits is highly dangerous.




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I respect your views but you’re missing the point entirely that it’s about society and not them. Agree to disagree and move on.

 

[sharps24]

A few years ago a friend sent me a link to a podcast one of these guys did on some tiny channel, I forget which one but nothing remotely close to the kind of viewership Sam would get. Said friend had definitely gone down the wrong path in life and is since alienated himself from the few friends he still had, including me, which was his choice actually cause I guess we all just didn't get it. Anyway. To my ear the things they were openly discussing were so repulsive I couldn't believe that they were going to air, and having looked the characters up both had been arrested in the recent past and convicted of hate speech or something similar. To me at the time I thought that the podcast they were doing seemed like it was so blatantly an obviously beyond the pail that it must be a stage managed honeypot that these guys parole officers were forcing them to do in order to help them identify far right sympathisers. And I do not accept that it could be anything other than that. I told my friend that these guys were obviously ****ing idiots and he was as much of a ****ing idiot for listening, and thanked him for likely having me likely put onto a government watch list just for clicking on the link he sent me.

These people are on the extreme fringes of society and likely [no, scratch that, do] have a small army of police following their every move. In my view they are allowed to be out there speaking publicly because its the easiest way for the police to keep an eye on who they are attracting to their ideas. I'm not going to waste an hour of my life listening to this, but I have no problem with Sam having them on and seeking to ridicule and embarrass them. He probably did is at a favour to law enforcement, and yes no doubt some tiny % of complete ****ing idiots will listen and end up going to follow these clowns online somewhere and immediately make themselves known to the authorities as a consequence.

So while it's appropriate for people to signal their disgust here that some reprehensible ideas and people have been "given a platform,'' if Sam hasn't agreed with anything they've said and has in fact called them out for being the cretinous idiots they are, then him losing his place in the AFL hall of fame would be a ridiculous move. Which is why I would bet good money the AFL are giving it serious consideration.

Ultimately though I'd be surprised if they went through with it. it'd probably be great for Sam if they did and he'll be loving the public debate over it. But Sam will end up having someone on in coming weeks who will explain to him and his audience what the holocaust was and that Nazis are actually bad, and it'll be a good little PR op to bring into focus the swath of new hate speech laws recently passed by parliament and everybody will pat themselves on the back for how clever they've been and the world actually won't end because some bad ideas accidentally got some airtime on an irrelevant podcast. Actually it'll be quite the opposite and this will be a net loss for the extreme right. And that's a good thing. Enjoy the ride though people if you can't resist being sucked in, Sam still has bills to pay after all.

 

[FrustratedTiger]

I understand why Sam Newman was unsuccessful in business all those years ago. I can't think of too many people who are happy to blow up their careers and reputation as frequently as this bloke does. The AFL decided to allow Garry Snr entry into the Hall of Fame knowing his history. That precedent alone means they can't do anything to Sam Newman. What we can do though is deny the bloke oxygen (not in the literal sense) by ignoring him. Don't listen to the podcast, don't click on articles about him. Just pretend he doesn't exist. We can go back and reflect on his football career once his dead. It's worth reflecting on. He just isn't worth giving the satisfaction of that reflection while he's still walking amongst us

 

[Gough]

The irony in your post is that this thread exists and you so strongly calling out their behaviour publicly (rightfully so) is exactly why the interview, and confrontational journalism is important.

It might be uncomfortable, but it’s important, otherwise beliefs, values, behaviours and more get forgotten.

Sam Newman's an ex footballer though, he's no more a journalist than anybody else with an opinion and internet connection.

 

[kickazz]

Sam Newman's an ex footballer though, he's no more a journalist than anybody else with an opinion and internet connection.

One of my pet peeves in modern society is this idea that if you become successful in one particular field, all of a sudden it seems your opinion in completely unrelated areas takes on this importance that is completely illogical and unearned.

 

[Gough]

One of my pet peeves in modern society is this idea that if you become successful in one particular field, all of a sudden it seems your opinion in completely unrelated areas takes on this importance that is completely illogical and unearned.

Joe Rogan dislikes this.

 

[craffles]

Sam Newman's an ex footballer though, he's no more a journalist than anybody else with an opinion and internet connection.

That’s a really fair point, we are in a weird time where news and media consumption is so fragmented and driven by algorithms that it can be both problematic (fake news, fear mongering, dangerous content) or beneficial (new audiences, more knowledge, people driven).

I don’t have any answers but I agree that confrontational journalism is best done by the experts. I would still rather have something than nothing though I guess.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

The idea that’s it’s ok to platform nazis as long as you don’t agree with them is dangerous stuff. You’re still giving them a voice, an opportunity to be heard by impressionable people.

It’s like how Rogan lets all sorts of nuts come on his pod and spout bullshit, because as much as you want to believe that Newman arguing their points means they will be shut down, there will still be a bunch of listeners who like what they are hearing and take it on board.

Reminds me of talking to a mate who listens to Rogan, he was trying to tell me that the world could just stop spinning at any moment and we’d all be swamped by a tsunami…he heard this dumb shit on Rogan and he was going around reciting it like it was this amazing thing that could definitely happen.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I can’t believe you would even think about associating with such hate filled, knuckle dragging, low life scum. Thomas Sewell should know better…

 

[Cyber_punk]

So Newman is now saying he basically had no idea who these guys were before the report about the Australia day arrests in Adelaide, and was happy to have Sewer Rat on, but not the other one? As if that makes it any better, when they believe the exact same stuff?

Seriously? You or anyone that helps you couldn't do one google search beforehand to find out they are mates and what they have done in the past? What they have said about what should happen to anyone in Australia who isn't white or "pure blooded"? What they have said about supporting marriage with 14yo girls? I know Sam is 80 years old but he can use twitter, so google isn't that hard.

You either are lying to save face, or you are admitting to being incredibly lazy and dumb.