Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 3

[DazalenkoUBewty]

Yeah. How the F#!$ has Jonas been getting games the last two years. Blatant gold pass.

Now that's a piss take? hmm

 

[El_Scorcho]

Backflip anyone?
I don't give a rats what you believe in your mind, I had no intention of suggesting that pessimists want to see us fail.
Also fabricated in your mind is that I left this thread for a while.
Pretty sure I'm not the one having a sook.

Oh my bad, sorry, it's completely my fault for reading your posts as you typed them and responding based on the content of those posts.

You accused me of a personal attack because I said "your parents must be so proud". Even the Care Bears would call that having a sook.

 

[El_Scorcho]

"His methodology as a coach is that you get selected based on your own form, not on the loss of form of others." That explains the reason why he didn't play the structure he craved. He's not going to pick someone just because they fill a hole, but because they are putting in consistent performances.

That may be the case, but I feel it's a flawed strategy because ultimately the players need to know the system inside and out, and if we're playing some other backup system most of the time, we're not learning it, the muscle memory doesn't develop, and we end up looking confused and ineffective even when we do have the right players in place.

Long story short: I'd have played Butcher a lot more than we did because we needed the extra forward. Shocking to hear from me I know.

We saw against Hawthorn how we want to move against a zone - if it wasn't blowing a gale we would have slaughtered them with our movement. Don't mistake what happened against Richmond for how we want to play - Ken said it himself - 'too much straight line football'. Sometimes you have to retreat to move forward. That comes from skill level - not in terms of execution, but in belief in both yourself and your teammates' ability to execute.

My two issues with that are that Hawthorn never go fully defensive against us like other teams. I don't know if it's because they are confident enough to back themselves in a shootout or what. Also it's the preseason so i'm not really sure what to read into any of the games we've played. I'm quite happy to give Ken the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of the season but if I see the same problems as the past 2 years again then i'm going to be calling for his head by round 5 or 6, and I think it would be reasonable to do so. He's had enough time to fix the problems by now.

 

[Andre]

Now that's a piss take? hmm

Only in so much Power Girl loves Tommy. He's been shit the last two years. The game has passed him by. He's a great negator, but especially from last year with reduced rotations a defender needs to be able to get it out of defense. And be fast enough to cover space. And he's hopeless at both of those.

 

[tribey]

Don't let this distract you from the fact that the board hired Matthew Primus not because they thought he was up to it, but because they were scared of a populist backlash on MySpace.

 

[Janus]

Only in so much Power Girl loves Tommy. He's been shit the last two years. The game has passed him by. He's a great negator, but especially from last year with reduced rotations a defender needs to be able to get it out of defense. And be fast enough to cover space. And he's hopeless at both of those.

Fun fact - Tom Jonas led Port Adelaide with 8 intercept possessions and 4 spoils in defence against Hawthorn.

 

[Dylan8]

Don't let this distract you from the fact that the board hired Matthew Primus not because they thought he was up to it, but because they were scared of a populist backlash on MySpace.

Have you made a recent investment in Myspace because that must be two mentions in two days

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

Only in so much Power Girl loves Tommy. He's been shit the last two years. The game has passed him by. He's a great negator, but especially from last year with reduced rotations a defender needs to be able to get it out of defense. And be fast enough to cover space. And he's hopeless at both of those.

We didn't have much else to call on, though.

He's not that great, but I've been pretty happy with him in the games so far this year.

Hopefully he can keep the ugg boots tucked under the bed this year..and not wear em on game day.

 

[Janus]

That may be the case, but I feel it's a flawed strategy because ultimately the players need to know the system inside and out, and if we're playing some other backup system most of the time, we're not learning it, the muscle memory doesn't develop, and we end up looking confused and ineffective even when we do have the right players in place.

Long story short: I'd have played Butcher a lot more than we did because we needed the extra forward. Shocking to hear from me I know.

I don't think Butcher would have helped because he never once played to the game plan and just did his own thing. He's a country/state league level footballer in terms of his ability to process strategy.

My two issues with that are that Hawthorn never go fully defensive against us like other teams. I don't know if it's because they are confident enough to back themselves in a shootout or what. Also it's the preseason so i'm not really sure what to read into any of the games we've played. I'm quite happy to give Ken the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of the season but if I see the same problems as the past 2 years again then i'm going to be calling for his head by round 5 or 6, and I think it would be reasonable to do so. He's had enough time to fix the problems by now.

That's all I'm saying - give them until Round 5 or 6, back them in, and see what happens. We lose to Carlton, I'll drive the hearse, you bring the shovel.

 

[tribey]

Have you made a recent investment in Myspace because that must be two mentions in two days

6-digit ICQ numbers

 

[El_Scorcho]

I don't think Butcher would have helped because he never once played to the game plan and just did his own thing. He's a country/state league level footballer in terms of his ability to process strategy.

I think this basically is what our disagreement about Butcher boils down to. I think Butcher was dropped because Ken abandoned the structure when things got difficult and went back to what we did in 2014 because that was his comfort zone. You think Butcher was dropped because he wasn't able to implement his part of the gameplan.

The only other point I can raise is that a lot of our players have looked confused as to what they're supposed to be doing over the past couple of years so it might be a message issue as opposed to a Butcher issue.

That's all I'm saying - give them until Round 5 or 6, back them in, and see what happens. We lose to Carlton, I'll drive the hearse, you bring the shovel.

The two games I have pencilled in as crucial are Carlton and West Coast in rounds 5 and 7. If we can't beat both those sides at Adelaide Oval (barring one of them being undefeated at the time or something), i'm done with this coaching group.

 

[Byrons Firen]

It will be the first year we have adequate depth in the Magpies through the likes of Snelling, Drew, Atley, Bonner, Lienert, Palmer, Austin, Frampton etc. that isn't just treading development water but actively and aggressively pushing for selection each and every week.

Here's hoping Thursday night gets it right this tear........it's important.

Ken said many times during the year to Chad Cornes to tell the Magpies boys to put in a good performance because we needed to make changes - but none of them managed to do so consistently enough

Luke Reynolds ? next year surely. A class above and bleeds black n white. Eddy Houston DBJ Amon Clurey Austin and Frampton all good kicks.
Superboot Linert's a player to watch. Irra is a bit iffy with the ball (gets plenty of it tho') but so much promise. Emmanuel looks so composed at times. A promising player. Marshall a mega in the making.

and a more mobile defensive unit to cope with the tendency for scores to be based on turnover in the modern game.

Yep and with better kicks too.
Big effort and great post btw.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Welp...Burger theory is good I guess.

Adelaide Oval AFL footy fans will pay more for food and soft drinks this year as two new vendors join match-day options

FOOTY fans will pay more for hot chips, pies and soft drink at Adelaide Oval than they did before the final siren last year.

But stadium management said prices would not change following their November 2016 price hike, when an average 3 per cent rise in food and beverage prices was applied ahead of the summer cricket season.

This comes as two new food vendors – Burger Theory and the Wingman – join the Oval’s offering for the 2017 AFL season, which kicks off with the Crows-GWS Giants clash next Sunday.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/theso...s/news-story/5f704abee852e840e600687c04b57921

 

[charcolechaddy]

$8.90 for a west end .

And we wonder why people take the piss.

 

[Visenfest]

$8.90 for a west end .

And we wonder why people take the piss.

Don't know why anyone would even pay money for West End.

 

[Killer Power]

At the end of 2014, we brought in Ryder as another forward and to give Lobbe a chopout in the ruck - to basically play a forward line of Schulz/Ryder/Westhoff - which is what you wanted, remember? A third tall? Ryder > Butcher as a forward. It didn't work because Lobbe was only ever as good as the effort the midfield put in around him - as soon as he got a five year deal on the back of their hard work they were all 'The ****?' and stopped giving a shit when he was in the ruck. Why get beat up so someone else can get paid? Add to that the loss of our one true linebreaker in Polec for the year, and it was just a cluster**** of getting ahead of ourselves and not wanting to go again.

Fine, says Hinkley, and goes out to get Dixon to replace Ryder in the forward line, and puts Ryder in the ruck. 2016 rolls around, and we get zero, repeat, zero games with our prime combination because Ryder gets suspended and Schulz goes down and is never the same, leaving us with a forward line of Dixon and Westhoff and a Lobbe that no one wants to play with (and I say this with absolute certainty after seeing the stark change in performance as soon as Lobbe went into ruck against Richmond in the JLT). He get injured anyway and we are forced to ruck Trengove (who improves our performance not because he's a better ruck than Lobbe but because the players actually respect him).

Anyone who compares 2015 to 2016 is crazy. They are completely and utterly unrelated.

2017 will be the FIRST year we've had the forward line and structure that Hinkley has craved since his time here, with Eddy playing the Schulz role, Dixon playing the Ryder role and Trengove playing the Westhoff role...freeing up Ryder to ruck and Westhoff to basically move to where he is needed most. It will be the first year we have adequate depth in the Magpies through the likes of Snelling, Drew, Atley, Bonner, Lienert, Palmer, Austin, Frampton etc. that isn't just treading development water but actively and aggressively pushing for selection each and every week.

Ken said many times during the year to Chad Cornes to tell the Magpies boys to put in a good performance because we needed to make changes - but none of them managed to do so consistently enough that we could drop an established player and actually expect improvement. His methodology as a coach is that you get selected based on your own form, not on the loss of form of others. Say what you want about guys like Newton and Moore, but they put in consistent performances every single week in the SANFL - it's no surprise to me that our best period for the midfield coincided when there was adequate pressure from underneath to keep producing good performances. That's why we went all out and sacrificed our first round draft pick this year to get more depth through the mid - so our starting midfield would feel that same pressure from the reserves that they did in 2013/2014.

The only major change we are rolling with that is different from 2015 is Westhoff instead of White on the wing and a more mobile defensive unit to cope with the tendency for scores to be based on turnover in the modern game.

I'm still expecting top four. Unlike St.Kilda, our forward line is three dimensional - instead of three forwards that pretty much do the same thing, we've got guys like Dixon (contested mark/pack crashing specialist), Eddy (lead up specialist), Trengove/Ryder (athletic resting ruck), Wingard/Gray (opportunist small forward) and Young (balanced medium forward). Unfortunately for us, during the JLT we played two games in horrendous conditions against Richmond and Hawthorn and the other against an aggressively defensive minded team in St Kilda, so the opportunity to show any improvement in skill was greatly diminished - but I believe that our skills have improved and by quite a bit - 70% DE against Hawthorn in that wind proves that for mine.

There are no adjustments made by the coaches. That would imply that they instructed our players not to lower their eyes and kick the ball to someone other than Dixon or Wingard with long bombs, which is so ludicrous I can't even begin to contemplate the idiocy of anyone who actually believes it was part of the game plan.

TL;DR our game plan is beyond reproach, all issues lead back to players not liking Lobbe because he got a 5 year contract.

That's fairly out there even by your standards.

 

[simmo_bc]

Fun fact - Tom Jonas led Port Adelaide with 8 intercept possessions and 4 spoils in defence against Hawthorn.

Reminds me of Cam 'intercept mark' O'Shea, no surprise to not see a club pick that guy up.

 

[snozulu]

It must be a full moon

 

[Duck Farmer]

Don't let this distract you from the fact that the board hired Matthew Primus not because they thought he was up to it, but because they were scared of a populist backlash on MySpace.

PAFC Board proving it was ahead of the curve in social media and disruptive technologies in the pre-Holly era.

 

[Janus]

TL;DR our game plan is beyond reproach, all issues lead back to players not liking Lobbe because he got a 5 year contract.

That's fairly out there even by your standards.

Nah, all our issues lead back to the players not running hard and providing defensive cover like they did in 2014 - basic finals team stuff. Until they do that, how could anyone judge the game plan? You've never even seen it executed properly.

 

[Power Girl]

Yeah. How the F#!$ has Jonas been getting games the last two years. Blatant gold pass.

Well played. But TJ is well TJ I don't know how you could use him negatively in an argument*. Tom Jonas will have a stellar year. I'm just not prepared to say where and which year.

I did say Ken has a whole year to prove that he deserves his job and so does TJ.

* may actually have a point there that Jonas was played when he really shouldn't have been.

 

[philreich]

I think our list is in a good spot. We've got some real competition for spots bar a few who will play every week simply because we don't have a 'like for like' replacement regardless of form.
Our back 6 though is going to give selection headaches week in week out. Have a bad game or 2 and could find yourself in the magoos in no time!
Some internal competition and hunger for spots is good.

I don't think we can look too far ahead. The first 4 games are absolutely crucial: if we get to the end of round 4 at 2-2 or better, it'll be an outstanding start to the season. Any worse than 2-2, and there'll be some alarm bells.

 

[ibd77]

How did we get 3 finalists drawn for the first 4 weeks?

Anyway should be a good indication if the rest of the season is going to be any good. Must win the home games at least.

 

[chiwigi]

Well played. But TJ is well TJ I don't know how you could use him negatively in an argument*. Tom Jonas will have a stellar year. I'm just not prepared to say where and which year.

I did say Ken has a whole year to prove that he deserves his job and so does TJ.

* may actually have a point there that Jonas was played when he really shouldn't have been.

Jonas was fantastic until he got banned for the perfectly good hit. Hasn't been the same player since, always second guessing himself.

 

[Fade to Gray]

Jonas was fantastic until he got banned for the perfectly good hit. Hasn't been the same player since, always second guessing himself.

Carn... that was not a perfectly legal hit. Maybe, should have got a week or 2 less, but you can't say it was a fair hit. It was late and it was high.