Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 7

[Nemisis]

Did you watch the game? Hawthorn were clinical in patches, the swans played tough uncompromising contested football.

It was a contrast of two styles of football and I very much enjoyed the spectacle. I thought the skills on display were spectacular.

Yep, best game I've watched this year.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

Meanwhile we get 30-13 and crickets.

It's true. Hinkley will just say the umps have a tough job.

I'm cool with that, but I also want him to mention shocking decisions and one-sided numbers.

 

[OneGreatClub]

So Clarkson said the Swans defenders got away with blue murder at times..there you go Ken that’s how you do it publicly. A bit rich from #freekickhawthorn though

 

[S.Patrol.G]

True, but there is absolutely no "duty of care" to actually protect yourself on the footy field - think of Nick Riewoldts mark or Jonathon Browns multiple smashed faces from "fearlessly" going into a contest.
There is nothing in the rules that says you need to be careful going into a contest so that you dont hurt yourself... BUT, there IS a rule stating that you have a duty of care towards the other players in the contest - and if you hit a player high it is likely to be "careless" and you will likely be suspended as a result.

In every other league there certainly is. The AFL have created this mess by having players think the "duty of care" rests with everyone except the individual. It's a contact sport, of course you should do everything within your powers to protect YOURSELF from harm/injury.

Parker did nothing wrong. Impey played that contest like he was on a basketball court. In football, the very first thing you teach kids is to turn their body so they protect their own head.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Averaging 15 possies up from 12.
63% DE down from 67%

The star lable must be added when one moves to a big Vic club.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Clarkson pulled the same bullshit against us the week before we played them one year talking about how we 'block better than anyone'. This was the Ebert coughing up blood game. Sure enough, the umpires started to look for it and call it more because Clarkson mentioned it, which enabled his players to do it more.

The problem is that you've gotta have the cachet of 3 premierships in a row to do that shit.

Totally disagree with this last line. Other coaches and senior officials do it too even without on field success. I remember the Doggies making comments back in 2016 when they played us (funny in hindsight when it probably ended up the most umpire blessed any team has ever been over a season in the entire history of the sport)

 

[NoddyHolder]

Clarko post-game in a 21-21 free kick game says that Sydney's defenders got away with 'blue murder' and points out two decisions that could have led to a different outcome. Doesn't cross any lines, just leaves it out there that if you make mistakes against Hawthorn they will be called out. It's an artform which I'd say is quite possibly a large part of why #freekickhawthorn exists.

What did he have to say about Gunston getting a free kick and goal after holding his opponent out of a marking contest with a handful of jumper?

 

[EskimoPAFC]

What did he have to say about Gunston getting a free kick and goal after holding his opponent out of a marking contest with a handful of jumper?

The thing is though, it's not a conversation or about being right or wrong. From reading this thread I feel like most people would say the rub of the green went Hawthorn's way (I didn't watch much of the game beyond clips etc).

What it is is a subtle of way of saying to the umpires we will put up with absolutely none of your shit.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I reckon you could find an AFL article calling Toumpas a star if you looked hard enough.. Impey's kicking looks sharper but I haven't watched him close enough really I might just be seeing the good although players skills improving once they leave Port would seem about right.

Under any sort of pressure last night he just bombed blindly. There was nothing new about him at all. Same bloke who dropped a mark and fell over when there was a final to be won. Was he coached to do that? Leopards and spots.

Honestly sometimes I think people see what they want to see to vilify this coaching group from every angle.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Honestly sometimes I think people see what they want to see to vilify this coaching group from every angle.

Well achieving sfa for three years and counting will do this

 

[Schulzenfest]

Serious question, are his stats any better this year his previous couple?

They’re not, but after you apply the Cyril Rioli multiplier, he becomes the best player in the competition.

 

[Visenfest]

I still have no issue with having lost Impey. He's exactly the same player at the Hawks as he was with us - flashes of brilliance, substantial amounts of meh, and plenty of moments of downright embarrassing football. He'll always be like this.

 

[OneGreatClub]

They’re not, but after you apply the Cyril Rioli multiplier, he becomes the best player in the competition.

Weird that Bruce seems to have a thing for him already.

 

[Harlott]

What did we all think of Clarko's lavish praise of Sydney in the presser? Something Ken gets criticised here for after a loss. Or am I missing something and he's doing that for an ulterior motive as well?

 

[OneGreatClub]

What did we all think of Clarko's lavish praise of Sydney in the presser? Something Ken gets criticised here for after a loss. Or am I missing something and he's doing that for an ulterior motive as well?

He doesn’t do it every single week pre and post game and he doesn’t do it in a defeatist way

 

[Harlott]

He doesn’t do it every single week pre and post game and he doesn’t do it in a defeatist way

I'm not sure what you mean by defeatist way but I'm pointing out this obsession with pointing out shit in press conferences like it's going to be part of the missing puzzle to becoming successful again.

 

[chiwigi]

I’ve noticed that a few of the same people who think the world has ended and that Port are the worst team ever are also saying how great Sydney are.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Well achieving sfa for three years and counting will do this

There are issues to criticise preferably constructively but a blanket 'any player who leaves Port skills will improve' statement is patently nonsense. They might fit better in a better gameplan but if you are seeing better skills in Impey you are only seeing what you want to.

it was bad enough listening to Bruce Cyrilise him all night. If I was a cynic I would think it was simply because he wanted to mock Port supporters. But surely not ...

 

[Janus]

Under any sort of pressure last night he just bombed blindly. There was nothing new about him at all. Same bloke who dropped a mark and fell over when there was a final to be won. Was he coached to do that? Leopards and spots.

Honestly sometimes I think people see what they want to see to vilify this coaching group from every angle.

Impey would still walk into our team and be a genuine asset. That's why Clarkson went after him, because he knew he needed a pressure forward. He's a big part of the reason of Hawthorn's resurgence, but he's also why they won't do anything, which is why we didn't ask for much when we let him go. Farrell will end up being a better player.

What did we all think of Clarko's lavish praise of Sydney in the presser? Something Ken gets criticised here for after a loss. Or am I missing something and he's doing that for an ulterior motive as well?

I was going to mention his talking up of Sydney's 'sophisticated' defensive schemes for this very reason.

I think people have become accustomed to assigning blame in life rather than actually working towards a resolution to the issues at hand. Sometimes the opposition does it better than you do.

 

[Greasyrhys]

Safe to say one coach’s job is on the line today...

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Impey would still walk into our team and be a genuine asset. That's why Clarkson went after him, because he knew he needed a pressure forward. He's a big part of the reason of Hawthorn's resurgence, but he's also why they won't do anything, which is why we didn't ask for much when we let him go. Farrell will end up being a better player.

He would be what he was from the day he arrived. He would have the potential to be a genuine asset. And that's what he will always be. He's 23 this year and he still does the same things he was doing at Port for years and being dropped to the reserves.

We should have persisted with him as a small defender. He showed promise there from day 1 and even when he was picked for that disastrous final as a small forward, it was on the back of playing very good footy coming out of defence in the sanfl finals.

Being a consistently good small forward requires a genuine football brain and consistency in effort when you can't get the ball. Jars has never shown the levels of either required. He would probably get a game with us at this point in time but should not walk into this side with anything close to a full list available. I agree that Farrell is showing the nous and flexibility required to be a genuine small forward option and have been spruiking him for a few weeks now.

 

[Harlott]

I liked him back but my only issue is once a smarter forward like Betts kicked a couple on him, he couldn't get himself back on track and panic set in.

 

[Hammer#8]

Isaac Smith is the Hawks' danger man, they went to him every time to negate his run and it works because he can't break a tackle but can run like a hare.

The damage factor isn't that high with Impey, which is why he played loose and got the ball a bit.

 

[Forzaport]

I'm not sure what you mean by defeatist way but I'm pointing out this obsession with pointing out shit in press conferences like it's going to be part of the missing puzzle to becoming successful again.

No one is claiming it's the missing piece to the puzzle. It's a persuasion tool that has the potential to limit how often we lose 50/50 umpiring calls and maybe even win a couple of free kicks where it matters. It could be the difference in a close game. I'd argue that it has been an effective tool for the Scott brothers and Clarkson.

There's also the issue of defending your players in public. It all plays into the mindset of our players, the mindset of the umpires and the mindset of the opposition. In a game where psychology is so critical to success, it beggars belief that we don't actively take every advantage that we possibly can.

 

[70sDinosaur]

Clarko post-game in a 21-21 free kick game says that Sydney's defenders got away with 'blue murder' and points out two decisions that could have led to a different outcome. Doesn't cross any lines, just leaves it out there that if you make mistakes against Hawthorn they will be called out. It's an artform which I'd say is quite possibly a large part of why #freekickhawthorn exists.

If the AFL had any credibility, Clarkson would get fined for those comments.