Port's draft according to Adelaide's BF board

[PAfolwr]

I am doing the same thread on Port's board wrt Adelaide's draft.

This is what I have posted on there.

The assumption is that some people will have first hand info on how these kids have done in the SANFL and various championships, or just have spent a lot of time researching about them.

The reason for this is that most of us know zippo about any of these lads, so it's good to get an opposition teams perspective on how we fared.
It makes things just that little more balanced.

Now if we are going to ask the Crow's board to do that, it's only fair that we do the same thing back.

Last thing, please no opposition bashing just for the sake of it, otherwise these threads will end up being useless.

 

[macca23]

Port rarely draft badly IMO. They might make some individual mistakes but overall each year they do pretty well.

I think they're up to their usual standard. They got a couple of good gets in DeLuca and Eckermann late in the draft with cheap picks, which is one of their trademarks.

The only one that surprised me was pick 11 when they chose to ignore Monfries, taking Adam Thompson instead. Perhaps they're right - time will tell.

I would like to add one thing though - I think this draft is a rarity, because usually after each draft I think that I'd like to swap our picks for Port's. This year for once I actually think we have the better crop.

Once again, time will prove that to be correct or otherwise.

 

[DaveW]

Port seem to be the team that picks up the sliders...

Salopek (sort of), Chaplin, now DeLuca and Eckerman... all taken much lower than they were expected to go.

 

[Stiffy_18]

As macca23 said you guys always draft well.

Pick 11 was a bit of a surprise but not as much as people make it out to be. In recruiting circles everyone rated Adam Thompson highly. He is a tough inside midfielder than was thought to go first round. I must admit I was surprised that you overlooked Monfries at this pick but I see this Thompson selection pretty similar to the Carr one a few years back. Port copped a lot of flack for taking Carr @ 7 when he wasn't rated that highly yet that pick up was justified years down the track. I think you guys will be pretty happy with Thompson and a reasonable good replacement for Carr in terms of inside role they play.

Pick 19: I thought you did well here. Willits was someone that I thought you would be interested in. Can play both ends of the ground and in the ruck. He already has mature body. I think you guys did well with this pick

Pick 34: In all honesty I know nothing about this lad.

Pick 35: I have said in the past that DeLuca was over-rated and was not worth a top 10 pick based on what he has actually done. While I didn't think he was worth a top 10 pick I though he would have been worth a late 1st rounder. I think you got a steal here in terms of potential

Pick 51: I think you got a very good pick up here. While I think footydraft.com over-rates him I still think he is a VERY good get at 51.

Overall you guys have done well as you usually do. Added some youth to your list all over most of the positions and quality youth at that.

 

[jo172]

As usual ports recruting department spot on. I mean Deluca (Sometimes as high as 9) at 35, Eckermann (Was at 11) at 51. It's unfair

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Port rarely draft badly IMO. They might make some individual mistakes but overall each year they do pretty well.

I think they're up to their usual standard. They got a couple of good gets in DeLuca and Eckermann late in the draft with cheap picks, which is one of their trademarks.

The only one that surprised me was pick 11 when they chose to ignore Monfries, taking Adam Thompson instead. Perhaps they're right - time will tell.

I would like to add one thing though - I think this draft is a rarity, because usually after each draft I think that I'd like to swap our picks for Port's. This year for once I actually think we have the better crop.

Once again, time will prove that to be correct or otherwise.

I agree with Macca once again.

Got some great value wit the later picks, but would have thought you would have taken Monfries over Thompson. Can't realise criticise this selection though until we see how both turn out in a few years.

 

[Macca19]

The way I see it regarding the Thompson selection. We already have the outside midfielders and what not but we really lack a young in and under gritty player. We lost Carr, Hardwick, James will be gone in a year or two, as wilL Francou (tho he hasnt played he will be gone forever soon) and Wilson so we really need some tough gritty in and under midfielders to win the ball. Monfries may not be that player. Thomson apparently is that sort of player. So with Thomson and Eckermann weve filled a genuine need that we had. Thats why I think it may turn out to be a very good decision.

If Thomson turns out as good as Carr I dont think anyone will be doubting this choice later on.

 

[mymansyd]

I think the general consensus from most fair-minded Crows' supporters would be that you got 3 good-gets...in terms of where you picked them...

Ryan Willits, Ben Eckermann, Fabian De Luca

...And 1 pick that was a little surprising....

Adam Thomson, picked at 11 (was expected to go between 20-40).

...And 1 pick which was totally from left-field...

James "Who" Ezard

Overall Score 7 / 10

Based on your previous years' recruiting, though, no doubt 2 or 3 of these guys will be bloody decent players.

I'd score Adelaide's effort at 8/10. The big question mark would be Chris Knights. But at pick 56, if they come off, it's a bonus.

 

[Ozzie]

Power always draft well. Sliders fell to them again.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Overall my impression was that Port did pretty well.
The first selection raised some eyebrows but its important to get a mix of midfielders and perhaps Thaompson enhances your mix better than Monfries ATS.
History says your recruiters get it pretty right.

With Willits, DeLuca and even Eckermann, many pundits had those 3 as first round selections so I think you would have to be happy.

Deluca might be a player that given his well publicised dislike of moving interstate might be used later on as high value trade bate (pick 35 for possibly a first round pick) if he develops.

 

[PAfolwr]

Port seem to be the team that picks up the sliders...

Salopek (sort of), Chaplin, now DeLuca and Eckerman... all taken much lower than they were expected to go.

You can add Cassisi, Surjan and Damon White to that list as well. It does seem to be a trait at Port.
Trade for needs, recruit what we think is the best available regardless of which position they play in or what state they come from.
Not that I have scrutinised the Crow's recruitment in the past, but this year you seem to have recruited somewhat differently.
Is it Craig or Stewart? Perhaps your past coaches have a lot more influence on how you drafted in the past than people realised?

On another note, thanks all for contributing, hope the thread on the Port board has been worthwhile for you lot as well.
One minor thing though, aren't there any Sturt supporters that have seen our new recruits play first hand?

 

[Stiffy_18]

You can add Cassisi, Surjan and Damon White to that list as well. It does seem to be a trait at Port.
Trade for needs, recruit what we think is the best available regardless of which position they play in or what state they come from.
Not that I have scrutinised the Crow's recruitment in the past, but this year you seem to have recruited somewhat differently.
Is it Craig or Stewart? Perhaps your past coaches have a lot more influence on how you drafted in the past than people realised?

On another note, thanks all for contributing, hope the thread on the Port board has been worthwhile for you lot as well.
One minor thing though, aren't there any Sturt supporters that have seen our new recruits play first hand?

I think you will find that its Neil Craig and the fact that we had 3 picks inside 30 where as normally we would get our 1st pick in the 30s.

I have always really rated Fantasia and I have stood up for him here before because I probably get to see more of his work first hand that a lot here. If you chat to Jimmy you realise what a really astute judge this bloke is and you just hope that he has picks to work with because I can guarantee that he will pick up some very good players. Personally I think a recruiter REALLY earns his money late in the draft when you are scraping the bottom if the barrel. Jimmy's record with late picks is as good as any.

This year for the first time in a very very long time Jimmy's recomendations were taken on board. The only input Craig had was to tell James what type of players he wants. Another thing I found particularly pleasing with Craig is that he got involved more into this process than the coaches before him. Craig made no secret as soon as he took over that he wants midfielders. If we still had Ayres he would have stuck to his guns and gone with players he wants. Craig on the other hand listened to James and decided that the best thing to do is to go with the strength of the draft and pick up a lot of talls.

I think now that Craig is on board at least we know that we will keep our early picks and we also know that Fantasia's recomendations will be taken on board where in the past they were often ignored.

Also with Fantasia, Turnbull and Stewart we really have one of the strongest, if not the strongest recruiting departmernts in the land and hopefully we reap the rewards in years to come

 

[macca23]

I think now that Craig is on board at least we know that we will keep our early picks and we also know that Fantasia's recomendations will be taken on board where in the past they were often ignored.

Also with Fantasia, Turnbull and Stewart we really have one of the strongest, if not the strongest recruiting departmernts in the land and hopefully we reap the rewards in years to come

As someone who didn't want Craig as coach, I have to give him credit for the way he's handled things so far. He's been very refreshing by comparison to his predecessor.

His long term job should be made easier with the recruiting department now being headed up by that trio - that's as good as it gets.

 

[Mong]

I would like to add one thing though - I think this draft is a rarity, because usually after each draft I think that I'd like to swap our picks for Port's. This year for once I actually think we have the better crop.

That's probably reflected in the strength of our draft picks in most years. This year (and possibly last year) are the only times we've really matched port with favourable picks.


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[noddy]

As someone who didn't want Craig as coach, I have to give him credit for the way he's handled things so far. He's been very refreshing by comparison to his predecessor.

His long term job should be made easier with the recruiting department now being headed up by that trio - that's as good as it gets.

Ah another convert slowly coming across

As for the topic of this thread, well not being very well informed of potential draft picks etc i can't really give a score one way or the other but what i will say is that going on past drafts i would be very surprised if Port don't come out of this draft with at least one very good player in the future.

 

[mymansyd]

As someone who didn't want Craig as coach, I have to give him credit for the way he's handled things so far. He's been very refreshing by comparison to his predecessor.

His long term job should be made easier with the recruiting department now being headed up by that trio - that's as good as it gets.

I have to agree. As one of the biggest Craig-bashers around, I'd have to admit he's got off a to a solid start. Time will tell, though, especially when the first ball is bounced next season.

 

[PAfolwr]

That's probably reflected in the strength of our draft picks in most years. This year (and possibly last year) are the only times we've really matched port with favourable picks.


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Technically speaking the Draft-Trade period should be seen as one.
From that point of view, Port and Adelaide have been on par (or close enough) with availability of picks. From this point of view Port have done heaps better. Need to trade quality to get quality. Something that Adelaide have seemed to be reluctant to do in the past.

Your trading in the past has been shocking to say the least, and your first round selections not as good as one would hope, but not as bad as people make them out to be.
Burton, Angwin and Reilly are not exactly total flops from a football point of view. Of one we won't say much, but the other two still have trade value, albeit a depreciated one at this stage. Not saying that Reilly is not worth a first rounder, but atm you'll be pushing to get that. In the future maybe even more if things go right.
Late in the draft, like Stiffy keeps reminding us, it has been as good as any other club.

 

[Mong]

I'm not disagreeing with that. We have been all too keen to give away decent picks in the past. It's hard to draft great players when all you've ever got are low picks. I think our drafting relative to our picks has been very comparable to Port since you entered the comp, it the trading where we've been left behind.


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[PAfolwr]

I'm not disagreeing with that. We have been all too keen to give away decent picks in the past. It's hard to draft great players when all you've ever got are low picks. I think our drafting relative to our picks has been very comparable to Port since you entered the comp, it the trading where we've been left behind.


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Not too many would disagree with that.

 

[mymansyd]

Technically speaking the Draft-Trade period should be seen as one.
From that point of view, Port and Adelaide have been on par (or close enough) with availability of picks. From this point of view Port have done heaps better. Need to trade quality to get quality. Something that Adelaide have seemed to be reluctant to do in the past.

Your trading in the past has been shocking to say the least, and your first round selections not as good as one would hope, but not as bad as people make them out to be.
Burton, Angwin and Reilly are not exactly total flops from a football point of view. Of one we won't say much, but the other two still have trade value, albeit a depreciated one at this stage. Not saying that Reilly is not worth a first rounder, but atm you'll be pushing to get that. In the future maybe even more if things go right.
Late in the draft, like Stiffy keeps reminding us, it has been as good as any other club.

The problem with the Crows recruiting, in particular, during the Ayres regime, was that the club always thought, perhaps foolishly (especially after Round 18, 2002), that it was just a dropkick away from another premiership. That's why we continued to ******** away good draft picks for top-up players (Carey, Torney, Burns, etc). It didn't work and now we are back to rebuilding the club a la 1995.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

I think you will find that its Neil Craig and the fact that we had 3 picks inside 30 where as normally we would get our 1st pick in the 30s.

I have always really rated Fantasia and I have stood up for him here before because I probably get to see more of his work first hand that a lot here. If you chat to Jimmy you realise what a really astute judge this bloke is and you just hope that he has picks to work with because I can guarantee that he will pick up some very good players. Personally I think a recruiter REALLY earns his money late in the draft when you are scraping the bottom if the barrel. Jimmy's record with late picks is as good as any.

This year for the first time in a very very long time Jimmy's recomendations were taken on board. The only input Craig had was to tell James what type of players he wants. Another thing I found particularly pleasing with Craig is that he got involved more into this process than the coaches before him. Craig made no secret as soon as he took over that he wants midfielders. If we still had Ayres he would have stuck to his guns and gone with players he wants. Craig on the other hand listened to James and decided that the best thing to do is to go with the strength of the draft and pick up a lot of talls.

I think now that Craig is on board at least we know that we will keep our early picks and we also know that Fantasia's recomendations will be taken on board where in the past they were often ignored.

Also with Fantasia, Turnbull and Stewart we really have one of the strongest, if not the strongest recruiting departmernts in the land and hopefully we reap the rewards in years to come

You dont know the same canary that Rucci knows do you

See pretty well informed stiffy old son.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

The problem with the Crows recruiting, in particular, during the Ayres regime, was that the club always thought, perhaps foolishly (especially after Round 18, 2002), that it was just a dropkick away from another premiership. That's why we continued to ******** away good draft picks for top-up players (Carey, Torney, Burns, etc). It didn't work and now we are back to rebuilding the club a la 1995.

True oh so true, But hope it's only another two years like then.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I reckon Port were mad to draft Thomson instead of Monfries. Their quest to pull another smokey may prove costly this time. I agree with Macca, for once I wouldn't swap our picks for theirs.

 

[PowerKop]

I reckon Port were mad to draft Thomson instead of Monfries. Their quest to pull another smokey may prove costly this time. I agree with Macca, for once I wouldn't swap our picks for theirs.

I definately agreed with that at first, and was rather angry at what I thought was a stupid pick at the time. Having read more about Thompson however he sounds like he could be a gun. Portho's posted an interesting report on him from one of the scouts who gave him a glowing appraisal. Still I think u need to go for the best player available, thus I still think we should have gone for Monfries.

 

[PAfolwr]

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Still I think u need to go for the best player available, thus I still think we should have gone for Monfries.

I keep hearing these type of statements, but has anyone really seen any of these kids play?
That is the main reason for these two threads.
What I mean by that is, something like:
Having seen Tambling play a couple of times (very few, and not in juniors), I have no doubt he has everything that is required to become an elite player. If he does or not is anybody's guess at this stage. Long way to go obviously.
He is tough at it, pace, plenty of skills. Will probably start of on the HFF, but eventually make it in the midfield and can play both as a receiver and a ball getter.
Be surprised if he doesn't get game-time this year.
Type of player: Bit of a cross between Davey and Whelan.

Any Sturt fans here?