Mega Thread Possible trades in 2015 for the Crows

[Crouch#44]

I wish we traded danger last year for Melbournes picks

 

[Shoota Welsh]

Can't kick? He pretty much never misses a shot on the run and he's streaks above some of the putrid field kickers we have in our 22.

The mistake has been that we haven't backed him in and given him time to develop as a HFF who occasionally rotates through the midfield. The sub rule has butchered his career at Adelaide.

wrong, lyons is not afl standard at all. i was a fan of his last year when he actually wasnt picked. then he actually got opportunities and he was shit in every one of them.

 

[Vader]

If we pick up Anderson, Seedsman and Hampton there's no way VB will be selected. He was borderline at the back third of the year and will be overtaken quite quickly.

VB had a shocking middle third of the season, but the coaches thought he did a very good job after he was recalled (refer to his B&F voting for this period).

VB isn't even the first player to be in the firing line - Mackay and Lyons would both be gone long before him. Quite possibly several others as well. I have no problems if he's forced out because others are performing better, as was the case when he was dropped to the SANFL, but it's more than mildly ridiculous to just assume that he's going to be replace by these players - particularly given that none of them can even get a game at their current clubs.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

he is honestly not good. people rated him on his sanfl output when he wasnt given a go. when youre at the match you can see everything off ball. he is lethargic, lazy and does not run defensively at all. literally crouch and thompson look awesome in comparison. his kicking is bad and for an inside mid where he supposed to have the quick reflexes/thought process to get the hands free and whip out a handball to someone (thompson and crouch and danger and douglas all good at this) he is slow. hes not just slow in pace, he is slow in the mind. gets caught a lot and makes the wrong decision a lot. we will not lose ANYTHING by losing him. he would be a good pickup for a team with literally no inside mids. bit like GC last year. other than that hes not an AFL player

Agree. If we are an aspiring top 4 side, guys like Lyons, wright, vb and Mackay are not even on our list.

 

[Vader]

When was the last time VB had a high quality AFL game?

If you look at the B&F voting, the EF vs the Bulldogs. The BigFooty faithful thought it was awful - the coaches loved it.

 

[dplggr47]

I wish we traded danger last year for Melbournes picks

Danger would never agree to go to Melbourne Football Club. Can't force trade a player who is contracted against his will. Never an option, and no idea why people even mention this like it was a ever a possibility.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

VB had a shocking middle third of the season, but the coaches thought he did a very good job after he was recalled (refer to his B&F voting for this period).

VB isn't even the first player to be in the firing line - Mackay and Lyons would both be gone long before him. Quite possibly several others as well. I have no problems if he's forced out because others are performing better, as was the case when he was dropped to the SANFL, but it's more than mildly ridiculous to just assume that he's going to be replace by these players - particularly given that none of them can even get a game at their current clubs.

Vader. What is your opinion of VB? Not what the coaches think! You!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I wish we traded danger last year for Melbournes picks

Danger would have refused the trade ......deal therefore buried

 

[Vader]

Agree. If we are an aspiring top 4 side, guys like Lyons, wright, vb and Mackay are not even on our list.

That's not true either. The problem is that we have too many of this middle-of-the-road type of player. There is room for them, just not so many of them. That's where the Tiprat penalties have really hurt us, is the inability to cull the dead wood from our list over a prolonged period of time.

 

[Draft Bored]

And how many other dominant performances has Seedsman had? Why do you think the Collingwood fans are so happy to see him go?

Any player can have one game where everything goes their way and they look like an absolute superstar. Whether they can back that up, with regular high standard performances in subsequent games, is what determines a player's true quality.

I'm saying I don't rate either player but one has more upside. For me that one is Seedsman. Anyway no point arguing over our 22nd best player.

 

[1990crow]

VB had a shocking middle third of the season, but the coaches thought he did a very good job after he was recalled (refer to his B&F voting for this period).

VB isn't even the first player to be in the firing line - Mackay and Lyons would both be gone long before him. Quite possibly several others as well. I have no problems if he's forced out because others are performing better, as was the case when he was dropped to the SANFL, but it's more than mildly ridiculous to just assume that he's going to be replace by these players - particularly given that none of them can even get a game at their current clubs.

I'll admit it's somewhat hopeful the players I listed all live up to their potential early in the year, I just don't see VB doing anything to help us get to the top of the tree. These 3 have the potential to do so. That's all I'm saying. If they bring their A game I hope for our sake they overtake VB. Mackay and Lyons are useless, I agree. Perhaps I should've included Murdoch as well.

It would be:
In: Murdoch, Seedsman, Hampton, B.Crouch, Anderson
Out: Lyons, Mackay, Dangerfield, VB, Henderson

In terms of mid sized players.

 

[Crouch#44]

Danger would never agree to go to Melbourne Football Club. Can't force trade a player who is contracted against his will. Never an option, and no idea why people even mention this like it was a ever a possibility.

Sorry let me try again

I wish danger wanted to be traded to Melbourne & we received Melbournes picks

 

[Elite Crow]

If you look at the B&F voting, the EF vs the Bulldogs. The BigFooty faithful thought it was awful - the coaches loved it.

So you use B&F voting when it suits, how did VB go for the year? How about 2013?

 

[footywedge]

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Darling ...Height 191 cm .....same size ...correct?


Have you seen Burton play? ......seems a ghost ? ....after 18 months with a Broken leg it's strange he's projected still as first round

I've seen him play and break his leg. Absolute jet and dominated over Ramsey - best player for Sacred Heart by a mile save for Gregson although hard to compare different types.

 

[Samcro24]

If you look at the B&F voting, the EF vs the Bulldogs. The BigFooty faithful thought it was awful - the coaches loved it.

He got a 9, which ranked him 10th best.

 

[Schulzycrow]

If we want to go forward, Wright, Mackay, VB and Lyons are not part of the side going forward...Would be happy to see Wright, Lyons and maybe even Hendo go via trade, VB and Mackay can boost the SANFL side. Do not want to see either in a senior side again, both have shown on the big stage that they aren't up to it.
Personally I would be keeping Kedge, Grigg and CEY.
Kedge is a good utility player, CEY is something we don't have in abundance..a tall mid and Grigg hopefully gets another chance, because you don't throw away elite kicks by foot.

 

[Vader]

Vader. What is your opinion of VB? Not what the coaches think! You!

I think he's a damn sight better than many here on BigFooty give him credit for. He was a genuine gun - a B+ player (where A-grade is reserved for those who at least make the AA squad of 40). He's not that any more, but he still offers far more than some kid who has been in the system for 3 years and still can't make the 22 of a team which finishes below us on the ladder.

I think his disposal does let him down occasionally, which is disappointing for a player with his experience. I also think that he gets crucified here for 1-2 bad disposals per game, with people overlooking the positive aspects when he does good things.

I think his 2015 was always going to be inconsistent, as he struggled to get back up to speed after missing a whole year due to the Achilles injury. That's the way it turned out - he started well, while he was still fresh, struggled badly mid-season (and was duly dropped), only to return strongly towards the end of the year. It remains to be seen whether or not he can return to the genuinely good for he showed up to (and including) 2012.

 

[earlsta]

If you look at the B&F voting, the EF vs the Bulldogs. The BigFooty faithful thought it was awful - the coaches loved it.

VB wasn't too bad in the EF versus the dogs, probably one of his better games for the year. But he's a senior player that goes missing quite often, that's a massive No No for mine.

He had 3 disposals 5 minutes into the third quarter against Hawthorn in the semi final. That's literally deplorable. Unacceptable for a leader, the ball was in his area all game as well.

If we want to progress as a club, we need to remove mediocrity, VB is mediocrity personified, wonder why he haven't done a thing for the last decade, our senior players have been utterly pathetic when the heat is on. Afl isn't a luxury, it's war, there's no room for nice guys.

Hawks pushed out Lake today, he had a decent year, we need to make these sort of moves if we are to progress, Riccuito will see this, we're lucky he's on our board now.

 

[Elite Crow]

He got a 9, which ranked him 10th best.

And the voting for that game was bizarre. He got more votes than Danger, Thommo, Douglas and Talia. No chance was he better than any of those.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

If we want to go forward, Wright, Mackay, VB and Lyons are not part of the side going forward...Would be happy to see Wright, Lyons and maybe even Hendo go via trade, VB and Mackay can boost the SANFL side. Do not want to see either in a senior side again, both have shown on the big stage that they aren't up to it.
Personally I would be keeping Kedge, Grigg and CEY.
Kedge is a good utility player, CEY is something we don't have in abundance..a tall mid and Grigg hopefully gets another chance, because you don't throw away elite kicks by foot.

Are you me? Perfect!

 

[footywedge]

Actually rate him as a player, think he is played out of position. He should be played on the wing and before we got Eddie in, he should have been our small forward because he is quick on the first ten steps and has goal sense. Being as we have Eddie and the Jets as our small forwards then Jaensch possie should be wing where he can use his kick into our f50 to our advantage.

As a person, I would willingly have my left arm sawn off above the elbow so I had something to beat him to death with. I challenge one person to spend 5 minutes with Matty and not walk away muttering "douchebag" under their breathe, even his mother would. Tries way to hard to be the clown, first couple of times you kinda laugh but pretty soon you're excusing yourself from the table he is sat on. Some people would say he is a good old fashioned larrakin but those people still wear Hungry Jacks sunglasses and mullets...which sounds like Froggy to be honest

Can confirm all of this, and add to it that a Police friend of mine chased him through the city one night because he was being disorderly and thought he'd test his fitness out rather than stay and chat.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Vader, sorry he is not B+... B to B-.
He has one gear, players just run around him, he can never close with anyone, he kicks at about 60% and handballs to either flat-footed team-mates or the opposition. At 200 games he should be doing a whole lot more for the side than he does. VB 3 years ago might have been B+, but not this version.

 

[Vader]

He got a 9, which ranked him 10th best.

Which means that 4 of the 5 voters considered that he "Played his role. Beat his man – added to our team offence or defence." In other words, the coaches were more than happy with his performance.

 

[BunjiMac]

You believe that the above mentioned crows players are walk up best 22 in any of those teams either?

No way they are.

The only thing keeping VB in the side is a warped sense of loyalty and compassion being shown by the selectors. The guys is an average player at best. His greatest asset is his endurance but it is offset by his extremely poor acceleration and turning speed. A panicky player with poor disposal that you don't handling the ball when the heat is on.

I think the AFC must take some blame in the capitulation of DMack. Playing him in defence completely destroyed his confidence as opposition players repeatedly broke his tackles and danced around him. He is a defender who cannot tackle or defend and is so worried about this, he hardly gets the ball enough to provide any drive from HB.

I feel neither would have played in the second half of the season if not for the tragedy of Phil Walsh's passing.

 

[Samcro24]

And the voting for that game was bizarre. He got more votes than Danger, Thommo, Douglas and Talia. No chance was he better than any of those.

Magic leadership powers.