Pre-Season Draft

[crowsarethebest]

Who/what type of player should we take a recycled player, player from SANFL or a player who has missed out on the National draft whos 18

 

[Crowked]

Will depend on what we get at the draft and who is available.

I think if we dont get Wood, we need another ruckman and there are going to be a few around, not many good ones though.

 

[Stiffy_18]

It will depend on what happens in the National Draft.

I read somewhere that Western Bulldogs won't participate due to tight salary cap so we have pick 4.

It will really depend on what happens during the National Draft. I think pre-season draft should be about picking up a youngster considering the situation we are in BUT if we don't pick up a ruckman in the National Draft we could look at Ackland if he hasn't been picked up in the National Draft.

 

[mymansyd]

Assuming we do draft a young ruckman in the National Draft, we should just take the best player from wherever. At this stage, if I was to guess, I reckon it'll be a teenager who unluckily missed out being picked up in the National Draft.

Only criteria should be age (should be 23 or younger). We ARE rebuilding, after-all.

 

[Damien_R1]

Hi all,

First post here, so be a little gentle.

Typically, every year, there seems to be a number of young kids that somehow do not get picked up in the National Draft, and find their way on to senior lists in other ways (via rookie lists and PSD's) and become excellent players.

Last year, Jacob Surjan and Aaron Davey remarkably did not get picked by any club in the National Draft and went through to the PSD, where Davey was STILL overlooked and went on to the MFC rookie list. Both look like they will be excellent future players.

In the 1996 PSD, Leoncelli, Bell and Goodwin were picked up after all 3 were deemed not got enough to be selected in the ND. In 1997, Hulme and Woewodin were picked up under similar circumstances.

Unless there is an obvious exception, I don't think our efforts should be expended on taking recycled talent, rather, look for that gem that the other 15 clubs have overlooked. There is almost always one somewhere....

Cheers - Damien.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Hi all,

First post here, so be a little gentle.

Typically, every year, there seems to be a number of young kids that somehow do not get picked up in the National Draft, and find their way on to senior lists in other ways (via rookie lists and PSD's) and become excellent players.

Last year, Jacob Surjan and Aaron Davey remarkably did not get picked by any club in the National Draft and went through to the PSD, where Davey was STILL overlooked and went on to the MFC rookie list. Both look like they will be excellent future players.

In the 1996 PSD, Leoncelli, Bell and Goodwin were picked up after all 3 were deemed not got enough to be selected in the ND. In 1997, Hulme and Woewodin were picked up under similar circumstances.

Unless there is an obvious exception, I don't think our efforts should be expended on taking recycled talent, rather, look for that gem that the other 15 clubs have overlooked. There is almost always one somewhere....

Cheers - Damien.

Welcome aboard mate.
If we picked up another Trent Potential I would be stoked.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Hi all,

First post here, so be a little gentle.

Typically, every year, there seems to be a number of young kids that somehow do not get picked up in the National Draft, and find their way on to senior lists in other ways (via rookie lists and PSD's) and become excellent players.

Last year, Jacob Surjan and Aaron Davey remarkably did not get picked by any club in the National Draft and went through to the PSD, where Davey was STILL overlooked and went on to the MFC rookie list. Both look like they will be excellent future players.

In the 1996 PSD, Leoncelli, Bell and Goodwin were picked up after all 3 were deemed not got enough to be selected in the ND. In 1997, Hulme and Woewodin were picked up under similar circumstances.

Unless there is an obvious exception, I don't think our efforts should be expended on taking recycled talent, rather, look for that gem that the other 15 clubs have overlooked. There is almost always one somewhere....

Cheers - Damien.

Welcome aboard mate and a top quality poost to start off with

 

[Rave Slave]

Hi all,

First post here, so be a little gentle.

Typically, every year, there seems to be a number of young kids that somehow do not get picked up in the National Draft, and find their way on to senior lists in other ways (via rookie lists and PSD's) and become excellent players.

Last year, Jacob Surjan and Aaron Davey remarkably did not get picked by any club in the National Draft and went through to the PSD, where Davey was STILL overlooked and went on to the MFC rookie list. Both look like they will be excellent future players.

In the 1996 PSD, Leoncelli, Bell and Goodwin were picked up after all 3 were deemed not got enough to be selected in the ND. In 1997, Hulme and Woewodin were picked up under similar circumstances.

Unless there is an obvious exception, I don't think our efforts should be expended on taking recycled talent, rather, look for that gem that the other 15 clubs have overlooked. There is almost always one somewhere....

Cheers - Damien.

Welcome aboard amigo - if i wasn't such a hussy with my rep i'd give you some cos thats a top quality start mate - keep up the good work

 

[Rave Slave]

As for me i actually think we should look at Mcgough - I know many fellow crow fans wont agree but the lads a ball magnet, he loves to get in and under to scoop the ball out which is more than can be said about some of our other lads and he is a rough nut who would add a bit of mongrel - something our club needs. The boys got a fair wad of experience for a 20 year old and IMO is a risk worth taking.
(awaits the onslaught)

 

[macca23]

As for me i actually think we should look at Mcgough - I know many fellow crow fans wont agree but the lads a ball magnet, he loves to get in and under to scoop the ball out which is more than can be said about some of our other lads and he is a rough nut who would add a bit of mongrel - something our club needs. The boys got a fair wad of experience for a 20 year old and IMO is a risk worth taking.
(awaits the onslaught)

No onslaught from me. I agree with you. I think you've described his attributes very well.

Unless there is an obvious talent that has somehow slid down the list, I'd prefer to take McGough first, because you know what you're going to get, and that what you get can play AFL immediately. At 20 years of age, he's no pensioner either.

Personally, I think he'd be a good get in the PSD.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No onslaught from me. I agree with you. I think you've described his attributes very well.

Unless there is an obvious talent that has somehow slid down the list, I'd prefer to take McGough first, because you know what you're going to get, and that what you get can play AFL immediately. At 20 years of age, he's no pensioner either.

Personally, I think he'd be a good get in the PSD.

Brereton commented on McGough last night commenting that opposition clubs allow him to get possessions knowing his possessions will not be damaging, and instruct the team to play through his opponent who, through their match-up process, will be far more damaging going the other way.

This was in response to the claim McGough is a "ball magnet".

My opinion is that in Mcgough you getting a variant of Bode.
Can get the ball, but doesnt damage with possessions ( Harvey?) and against a speedy midfield well......?

Another observation: why is everyone so down on Burtons disposal, yet be so forgiving of Bodes disposal simply because of his in and under approach - don't understand.

 

[macca23]

Brereton commented ......

That whole opinion lost credibility with the opening 2 words.

Brereton loves the sound of his own voice - annoys the sh*t out of me with his so-called expert comments.

As for the Bode comments, people are always far more forgiving of players who get down and get dirty, and can win the hard ball.

You can work on a player's disposal but it's damn hard to put toughness in a player (a la Doughty).

I'm not suggesting McGough is a champion, but I find it hard to knock back a ready made hard at it player at what equates to a 5th round draft pick.

 

[slappy]

Another observation: why is everyone so down on Burtons disposal, yet be so forgiving of Bodes disposal simply because of his in and under approach - don't understand.

because burton is such a selfish player and has a habit of spoiling his teammates possessions as well

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That whole opinion lost credibility with the opening 2 words.

Brereton loves the sound of his own voice - annoys the sh*t out of me with his so-called expert comments.

Don't neccessarily disagree with that.

As for the Bode comments, people are always far more forgiving of players who get down and get dirty, and can win the hard ball.

You can work on a player's disposal but it's damn hard to put toughness in a player (a la Doughty).

I'm not suggesting McGough is a champion, but I find it hard to knock back a ready made hard at it player at what equates to a 5th round draft pick.

Macca I think there are some hard at it players in the draft who could prove to be better investments.
Trust me when I say he's not the brightest globe in the toolshed

I have been outspoken on the need to introduce toughness into our side - but I have been equally vocal in saying we severely lack pace.
Players like Monfries, Gibson, Lewis, and Jackson are hard at it players I will be delighted to draft.

 

[tribey]

Trust me when I say he's not the brightest globe in the toolshed

A side-effect of being named BOG as a schoolboy on Anzac Day, perhaps?

Neglecting his studies, tsk tsk tsk...

I have been outspoken on the need to introduce toughness into our side - but I have been equally vocal in saying we severely lack pace.
Players like Monfries, Gibson, Lewis, and Jackson are hard at it players I will be delighted to draft.

While I agree with you regarding pace - I wouldn't say no to McGough if he was prepared to come at a reasonable price.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

because burton is such a selfish player and has a habit of spoiling his teammates possessions as well

Think sometimes we forget he's an athlete first, and a footballer second.
He has had a lot of injuries in the last couple of years, and doesn't come back from injuries well at all.
Fitness is generally not a problem, but getting his head right (as you have described) is - he needs to play consistently in a groove, to play at his best - this comment of him was not made in his first few years - has he got dumber - I don't think so.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

While I agree with you regarding pace - I wouldn't say no to McGough if he was prepared to come at a reasonable price.

I think his price will be reasonable enough - but have to ask with his Anzac medal success, and the amount of possessions he accumulates - why would Collingwood be prepared to let him go at 20 years old?

Thing is lots of players from other clubs look good from the odd good game we see as opposition supporters.
They come to Adelaide ( S. Stevens, Clarke....) and under closer supporter scrutiny we tear into their weakness's - trust me you'll have a field day with McGough then

 

[Stiffy_18]

Players like Monfries, Gibson, Lewis, and Jackson are hard at it players I will be delighted to draft.

Amen to that brother.

Imagine getting Monfries, Maric and Gibson with our first 3 picks. Inside midifielder, a young much needed ruckman and tough as nails, atletic KPP.

Here is to hoping anyway.

On McGough, why do people assume he will be in the pre-season draft. I think he will probably get picked up in the National Draft

 

[tribey]

On McGough, why do people assume he will be in the pre-season draft. I think he will probably get picked up in the National Draft

Has he nominated yet?

If he agrees a deal with someone in the PSD he'd stand out and wait wouldn't he?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Amen to that brother.

Imagine getting Monfries, Maric and Gibson with our first 3 picks. Inside midifielder, a young much needed ruckman and tough as nails, atletic KPP.

From all I've read, if we could get the three you have mentioned it would be a great draft for us.

Only surpassed if we could pickup Monfries & Wood (won't happen)
Monfries, Eckermann, Maric & Gibson (you never know Ecker may drop to second round)
Monfries, Meyer, Maric & Gibson.

Know I'm dreaming but could it be so.?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Has he nominated yet?

If he agrees a deal with someone in the PSD he'd stand out and wait wouldn't he?

Not that I know of but I am willing to bet he nominates for the National Draft ad gets picked up.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Has he nominated yet?

If he agrees a deal with someone in the PSD he'd stand out and wait wouldn't he?

I think he'll go November Draft - Carlton have 67, 70 & 71 - Kangaroos have 68
He'll go to one of those clubs IMO - would suit both clubs gameplans

 

[tribey]

I think he'll go November Draft - Carlton have 67, 70 & 71 - Kangaroos have 68
He'll go to one of those clubs IMO - would suit both clubs gameplans

He'd go earlier than that wouldn't he?!! Have to.

"I'll bet you a steak dinner, Seymour..."

 

[macca23]

I think he'll go November Draft - Carlton have 67, 70 & 71 - Kangaroos have 68
He'll go to one of those clubs IMO - would suit both clubs gameplans

If he goes in the National draft, he'll earn peanuts. The rate of pay for a first year draftee in the lower rounds.

I would have thought he would put a price tag on his head and go in the PSD, where he would earn at least twice as much as he would as a National draft pick.

PS Is the game-plan of both Carlton and the Roos to play slow football?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

He'd go earlier than that wouldn't he?!! Have to.

"I'll bet you a steak dinner, Seymour..."

Think clubs would like him to go through to PS draft, Carlton knowing this may need to use one of the late picks I indicated.

Then again clubs who REALLY want him, knowing Carlton will do this may be forced as you say to take him earlier.

I'd have to say it would be after pick 40, lots of father/son picks thereabouts - Blumfield is tipped to go to Essendon so I doubt they'll pickup McGough as well.
Lance Picioane will be picked up - still think it'l be Bulldogs, Carlton, or Hawthorn - maybe 50, 51, or 54 - but I can't see b4 then