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[Over The Post]

WILLIAM BUCK PREMIER FINALS 2022 2nd SEMIFINAL ELSTERNWICK 2pm SAT 3/9	PRELIMINARY FINAL ELSTERNWICK 2:15pm SUN 11/9	GRAND FINAL TREVOR BARKER 2:30pm SUN 18/9
St Kevins
Collegians	Collegians	St Kevins
1st SEMIFINAL TREVOR BARKER 2:30pm SUN 4/9	vs	vs
Old Xaverians	Old Brighton	Old Brighton
Old Brighton

WILLIAM BUCK PREMIER RESERVE 2022 2nd SEMIFINAL TREVOR BARKER 12pm SUN 4/9	PRELIMINARY FINAL ELSTERNWICK 11:40am SUN 11/9	GRAND FINAL TOORAK PARK 1pm SUN 18/9
Old Xaverians
Old Melburnians	Old Melburnians	Old Xaverians
1st SEMIFINAL ELSTERNWICK 11:40am SAT 3/9	vs	vs
Old Scotch	Old Scotch	Old Scotch
St Bernards

 

[Mr Platinum]

Wesley College has been accepting female students since the late 70s, and since the late 80s the school has been co-educational at all year levels, so the premise that these are two schoolboy only teams is a little from the truth. It also has nothing to do with VAFA football I know, but I digress.

I know for a fact Collegians does not have a chairman of selectors. We have a football director who does an absolutely sterling job with very limited resources. We also happen to have a gun senior coach in Jared Rivers who has brought into the club two terrific assistant coaches in John Meesen and Jordie McKenzie. Those three make up the senior coaching and selection panel. I know that everyone at the club cannot speak more highly of Jared, John and Jordie, so why would they need a chairman of selectors to oversee them? All three have played and coached plenty of footy, including playing nearly 300 games of AFL footy between the three of them, coaching / playing at VFL and SANFL, plus coaching at local level, so why would you need a chairman of selectors overseeing them?

Also, Ormond v Collegians was a tremendous rivalry throughout the 1980s and early 1990s, when a gun monders outfit managed to beat Collegians in a couple of premierships. This is still talked about today. Some all greats of both clubs played in this era, Barnes, Kingston, Hibbins, Galbraith.
It was a genuine rivalry. I wasn't around back then, but I'm sure in 25 years time this SKOB v Collegians modern rivalry from 2017 to present will have a similar aura about it. Both sides have some gun players, Michie, Mirra, Jok, Critchley, so let's enjoy a couple of top sides going at it once again in September than wallowing in negativity.

I wish people on here would remember it's amateur football, played for the love of the game and to win premierships, which is what footy should be all about.

GO LIONS!

Great post Mr Olotripo. I’m sure if people had to use their real name on this forum, that half of the tripe posted would never see the ‘post reply’ function.

I’ve enjoyed the year thus far, let’s hope all players get through injury free.

 

[that was out of bounds]

Four rich schoolboy teams in finals. Credit where credit is due. Not really enough AFL besides Mirra and Vandenberg.

By my count xavs have at least 5
Richards, Vandenberg, Robinson, Hams, Schoenmakers,

 

[From45SlightAngle]

By my count xavs have at least 5
Richards, Vandenberg, Robinson, Hams, Schoenmakers,

Richards and Robinson both attended Xavier College FWIW

 

[bedford]

Richards and Robinson both attended Xavier College FWIW

We all know that , sadly Richards got a GF game for the Swans and was shithouse

 

[Mike Olotripo]

Mr Olotripo, just for shits and giggles, how many non Wesley students do you have in your best team? And how many of those played AFL or VFL?

See you Saturday for a pie!

Well Mr Platinum, I see the side you had on the weekend had two former AFL players, both of whom attended St Kevin's College, plus 8 who have played VFL if my memory serves me correct with the only non 1 pointer being Josh Tynan. SKOB played with 26 points on the weekend.

Out of our 22 on the weekend, 5 did not attend Wesley, 6 have played AFL football, whilst 2 previously played AFL. Collegians played with 29 points on the weekend.

I say to have the top two sides with 6 players out of 44 who didn't attend the school is a good indication that the points cap is helping to grow homegrown players through either school or local club connections rather than recruiting.

Old Brighton had 19/22 players on the weekend as 1 pointers (30 points overall), Old Xaverians had 19/22 as well who are all 1 pointers (30 points overall). From my calculations it appears 70-75% of the players playing for top four sides this past weekend have all come through their school sides.

 

[bedford]

Well Mr Platinum, I see the side you had on the weekend had two former AFL players, both of whom attended St Kevin's College, plus 8 who have played VFL if my memory serves me correct with the only non 1 pointer being Josh Tynan. SKOB played with 26 points on the weekend.

Out of our 22 on the weekend, 5 did not attend Wesley, 6 have played AFL football, whilst 2 previously played AFL. Collegians played with 29 points on the weekend.

I say to have the top two sides with 6 players out of 44 who didn't attend the school is a good indication that the points cap is helping to grow homegrown players through either school or local club connections rather than recruiting.

Old Brighton had 19/22 players on the weekend as 1 pointers (30 points overall), Old Xaverians had 19/22 as well who are all 1 pointers (30 points overall). From my calculations it appears 70-75% of the players playing for top four sides this past weekend have all come through their school sides.

Can you tell me who the 3 that are more than 1 point and who if possible please

 

[Mike Olotripo]

Can you tell me who the 3 that are more than 1 point and who if possible please

At Old Brighton it is Hayward (4), Kennedy (3), and Sam Collins (3). I know Kennedy and Hayward are Ormond boys, so this is a soft spot for you.

 

[bedford]

At Old Brighton it is Hayward (4), Kennedy (3), and Sam Collins (3). I know Kennedy and Hayward are Ormond boys, so this is a soft spot for you.

Thanks Mike , look forward to the day the 3 Kennedy's play together .

 

[XXXXAFL]

Thanks Mike , look forward to the day the 3 Kennedy's play together .

I’m sure Wesley would find a spot for them all.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

The points system is a farce and only entrenches the advantage of clubs with school feeder teams. Unfortunately I don't see a rules based solution; if one is needed.

All I can come up with is that the schools clubs have a points cap of around 35 points and district clubs have a cap of 45 points.

 

[XXXXAFL]

All I can come up with is that the schools clubs have a points cap of around 35 points and district clubs have a cap of 45 points.

And a University club 65 points.

 

[From45SlightAngle]

APSVAFA Bet from 45 odds (has anyone located Hippster ?)

SKOBAFL 1.90
COLLEGIANSAFL 2.50
OXAFL 2.50
OBORMOND 8.50

 

[Penski]

All I can come up with is that the schools clubs have a points cap of around 35 points and district clubs have a cap of 45 points.

Wouldn't make a difference this year. Consider the following player point averages for the top 5 teams (and Uni Blues) across 18 rounds: -

STK - 27.0 player point average per game
COLL - 29.94
OX - 32.06
OB - 29.22
OM - 32.50
UB - 45.11

Old Melburnians the only top 5 side that even went over 35 pts in a single game (and they did that 3 times - R4, R5, R13).

 

[MortlockWatcher]

It could always come down to 30 for school clubs and 42 for district clubs.
Food for thought.

 

[Mr Platinum]

It could always come down to 30 for school clubs and 42 for district clubs.
Food for thought.

The points for season 2023 will stay at 45 for all clubs, in line with AFL Victoria’s recommendation.

 

[Mr Platinum]

Well Mr Platinum, I see the side you had on the weekend had two former AFL players, both of whom attended St Kevin's College, plus 8 who have played VFL if my memory serves me correct with the only non 1 pointer being Josh Tynan. SKOB played with 26 points on the weekend.

Out of our 22 on the weekend, 5 did not attend Wesley, 6 have played AFL football, whilst 2 previously played AFL. Collegians played with 29 points on the weekend.

I say to have the top two sides with 6 players out of 44 who didn't attend the school is a good indication that the points cap is helping to grow homegrown players through either school or local club connections rather than recruiting.

Old Brighton had 19/22 players on the weekend as 1 pointers (30 points overall), Old Xaverians had 19/22 as well who are all 1 pointers (30 points overall). From my calculations it appears 70-75% of the players playing for top four sides this past weekend have all come through their school sides.

Hi Mr Olotripo, FYI Paddy Kerr, whose family are SKOB royalty, was the only SKC lad with AFL experience on the weekend.

Josh Tynan was the other.

You’re buying the Pie.

See you Saturday

 

[Gun Island]

Wouldn't make a difference this year. Consider the following player point averages for the top 5 teams (and Uni Blues) across 18 rounds: -

STK - 27.0 player point average per game
COLL - 29.94
OX - 32.06
OB - 29.22
OM - 32.50
UB - 45.11

Old Melburnians the only top 5 side that even went over 35 pts in a single game (and they did that 3 times - R4, R5, R13).

So take the average each year and make it that the following season, only a thought.


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[MortlockWatcher]

In the South West Football League in Bunbury, WA, the points are determined by the ladder position from the previous season (after the Grand Final).

1. 31 pts
2. 31 pts
3. 32 pts
4. 33 pts
5. 34 pts
6. 35 pts
7. 35 pts
8. 37 pts
9. 39 pts
10. 39 pts

1pt - Playing for club of origin or returning from WAFL football to their club of origin.
1pt - Played no competitive football for 5 years
2pts - SWFL club to SWFL club (but didn't play seniors for former club)
2pts - Into SWFL from metro or other country comps
3pts - SWFL club seniors to SWFL club seniors (becomes 2pts for years 2 & 3 then 1pt from year 4+)
4pts - State league player (WAFL, VFL, etc.) with 10+ matches in last four years (3pts if less than 10 games)
5pts - Played AFL in last 4 years

Each Club must supply a list of 40 prospective League player names (including last 4 years playing history along with Clubs own rating) to SWFL General Manager – List must be received at least 14 days prior to official start of current season.

A League appointed committee to ratify club ratings at least 14 days before the season opening

For players coming to a club by transfer or permit during the season a rating can be obtained from the General Manager during normal working hours.

 

[bedford]

Wouldn't make a difference this year. Consider the following player point averages for the top 5 teams (and Uni Blues) across 18 rounds: -

STK - 27.0 player point average per game
COLL - 29.94
OX - 32.06
OB - 29.22
OM - 32.50
UB - 45.11

Old Melburnians the only top 5 side that even went over 35 pts in a single game (and they did that 3 times - R4, R5, R13).

Good info thank you

 

[From45SlightAngle]

Looks like district clubs need to accept that the EPLAPSVAFA will be dominated for eternity by financially stable and larger clubs run by powerbrokers. Looking forward to the excitement of 2023 and the top 4 being the same.

FTLOTG

 

[XXXXAFL]

Looks like district clubs need to accept that the EPLAPSVAFA will be dominated for eternity by financially stable and larger clubs run by powerbrokers. Looking forward to the excitement of 2023 and the top 4 being the same.

FTLOTG

I wouldn’t say it a lock. CaulfieldAFL could push up with the good crop from the College. Haileyberry could also get their act together one day.

 

[Jimmyjack]

All I can come up with is that the schools clubs have a points cap of around 35 points and district clubs have a cap of 45 points.

The whole points thing is a bit overblown. With a few notable exceptions, very few clubs have been in peril of breaching the limit. In fact most clubs probably wish their recruiting capabilities allowed them to get anywhere near the points cap.

But if arguing for a scalable model, consider a district club like Beaumaris with a huge junior feeder who played with 22 on the weekend and rarely exceed the mid-20s. They are a good chance to find themselves in A grade for the 3rd time in a decade. Compare them to say and Albert Park, Box Hill North or Eley Park with no aligned juniors who rely entirely on recruiting senior players from other clubs and competitions. I would argue they should have a more generous limit then say a Beaumaris, Hampton, Fitzroy, Ormond etc.

 

[Penski]

The whole points thing is a bit overblown. With a few notable exceptions, very few clubs have been in peril of breaching the limit. In fact most clubs probably wish their recruiting capabilities allowed them to get anywhere near the points cap.

But if arguing for a scalable model, consider a district club like Beaumaris with a huge junior feeder who played with 22 on the weekend and rarely exceed the mid-20s. They are a good chance to find themselves in A grade for the 3rd time in a decade. Compare them to say and Albert Park, Box Hill North or Eley Park with no aligned juniors who rely entirely on recruiting senior players from other clubs and competitions. I would argue they should have a more generous limit then say a Beaumaris, Hampton, Fitzroy, Ormond etc.

The lower the league, the higher the points cap? I could get onboard with that. A higher cap in the divisions as opposed to A-C.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

and the need to take into account whether there is a junior alignment or not.

 

[man in outer]

Good discussion this week fellas.

I would abolish the points system. Doesn't work in the VAFA and puts significant stress on over-stretched volunteers for mine. APS schools dominate the AFL and football in general these days so very little VAFA can do about their diversity issue. different rules for different clubs is crazy to me.....do whitefairs get less points than Beauy?

Moving on.

Prediction time.

SKOB to beat the streaking OCs. All good things come to a end and I'm biased enough to think this is the time for OCs. The predicted rain might help SKOB strangle OC and slow up their main man Mirra. PS good example of a club that didn't panic and sack a coach when things were looking good. Look for the lighter bodies runners of SKOB to hurt the OCs stars on the counter attack. T Jok best on ground.
Xavs to crush the tonners. Just way too much talent.

In summary it will be a weekend for the Catholics.