Conspiracy Theory Proof 9/11 was an Inside Job?

[madhawkboy]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

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[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

The ISI, which is the Pakistani equivalent of the CIA, apparently not only funded the hi-jackers, but also gave them the go-ahead. Not only that, but the head of the ISI was in Washington meeting the head of the CIA in the days before 9/11. Wonder what they were discussing in that meeting...

Oh, I nearly forgot. Osama had been on the US's most wanted list for years and had a $5 million bounty on his head, yet in June 2001, he spent a week or so being cared for in an American hospital in Dubai, and even had a visit by the local CIA agent there. Guess no-one thought about arresting him while he was there though, considering he's still at large.

Here's another interesting tidbit too. Apparently when the US military had pinpointed Osama in one of his caves after 9/11, they had him surrounded on three sides, but left the back door, which coincidentally was the border to Pakistan, undefended. No prizes for guessing what Osama did.

It's interesting the US hasn't been able to catch their #1 Attack Dog during the Soviet invasion...ever since they cut him loose.

Of course he would be hard to catch carrying a cane in one hand and a dialysis machine in the other.

Yes, and after he apparently slipped into Pakistan, the might of the US Army went right in after him. That would have been the sensible thing to do wouldn't it? Go to where he is, not where he's been

Of course not! Commonsense dictates the US stay in Afghanistan while Sammy continues to threaten our freedoms.

The whole thing is absurd isn't it.

Where are the passengers ?
Surely thats relevant if you believe this ridiculous scenario.

Sigh....
How does any jet force another plane in mid air to land where it wants if that plane is intent on destruction ?

This is getting too ******ed for words and like Bloods I've almost had enough.

 

[JeffDunne]

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Would love to see how those who don't think WTC1 and WTC2 were brought down by explosives can explain this video.

Personally I don't really think those videos show anything that couldn't be explained from the collapse.

When watching the event live, the group I was with, we were discussing how long it would take until they collapsed. Still to this day it amazes me people were sent into towers with planes embedded in them and a fire burning that out of control.

If you watch the video shot by the French doco guys, the people responsible for co-ordinating the 'rescue' had no bloody idea what they should do.

Complete incompetency again -> the Mayor is a "hero" & so to the NYFD.

I am in no doubt most lies are to hide how much at threat the US was and still is.

 

[winty]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

It's interesting the US hasn't been able to catch their #1 Attack Dog during the Soviet invasion...ever since they cut him loose.

Of course he would be hard to catch carrying a cane in one hand and a dialysis machine in the other.

Yes, and after he apparently slipped into Pakistan, the might of the US Army went right in after him. That would have been the sensible thing to do wouldn't it? Go to where he is, not where he's been

Of course not! Commonsense dictates the US stay in Afghanistan while Sammy continues to threaten our freedoms.

The whole thing is absurd isn't it.

I was watching a DVD about 9/11 the other day (Inside 9/11 by National Geographic), and in one part they were talking about how under the Clinton administration they tried to either capture or kill Osama bin Laden, but were thwarted several times. One time they tried to kill him by shooting a Patriot missile into his compound, but they received word that he was entertaining a Saudi prince, so they aborted the mission as they didn't want Saudi Arabia getting on their case, so to speak. Another time they decided to get a bunch of commandoes to infiltrate his compound and basically kidnap him. However, the day before, a satellite photo of his compound showed a set of swings, so they decided to abort the mission again as they didn't want to kill any innocents with the resultant firefight which would have occurred.

That's kind of ironic when you think about it, considering a hell of a lot more innocent people have died since, both in the US on 9/11 and in the resultant bombardment of Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I was watching a DVD about 9/11 the other day (Inside 9/11 by National Geographic), and in one part they were talking about how under the Clinton administration they tried to either capture or kill Osama bin Laden, but were thwarted several times. One time they tried to kill him by shooting a Patriot missile into his compound, but they received word that he was entertaining a Saudi prince, so they aborted the mission as they didn't want Saudi Arabia getting on their case, so to speak. Another time they decided to get a bunch of commandoes to infiltrate his compound and basically kidnap him. However, the day before, a satellite photo of his compound showed a set of swings, so they decided to abort the mission again as they didn't want to kill any innocents with the resultant firefight which would have occurred.

That's kind of ironic when you think about it, considering a hell of a lot more innocent people have died since, both in the US on 9/11 and in the resultant bombardment of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Considering the Saudi's history of funding terrorism, may have been killing 2 birds with 1 stone.

I agree though, The Saudi's are untouchable. At least Clinton had a crack at taking him out. He even informed Bush of the threat imposed by their former golden boy.

And what did Bush do? He went holidaying on his ranch, playing with Barney The Dog. Even after he gets the 'Bin Laden determined to strike inside the US' report - a month before it happens, he sits on his hands and turns a blind eye.

Maybe he didn't really believe anyone with the surname Bin Laden would ever be a threat to him. Considering his history with that family over the years.

 

[Messenger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

The ISI, which is the Pakistani equivalent of the CIA, apparently not only funded the hi-jackers, but also gave them the go-ahead. Not only that, but the head of the ISI was in Washington meeting the head of the CIA in the days before 9/11. Wonder what they were discussing in that meeting...

Oh, I nearly forgot. Osama had been on the US's most wanted list for years and had a $5 million bounty on his head, yet in June 2001, he spent a week or so being cared for in an American hospital in Dubai, and even had a visit by the local CIA agent there. Guess no-one thought about arresting him while he was there though, considering he's still at large.

Here's another interesting tidbit too. Apparently when the US military had pinpointed Osama in one of his caves after 9/11, they had him surrounded on three sides, but left the back door, which coincidentally was the border to Pakistan, undefended. No prizes for guessing what Osama did.

Is there proof to support any of these assertions?

I'm enjoying the to and fro in this thread but simply stating something happened doesn't make it so. Ultimately truthers are up against Occam's Razor in this one.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Is there proof to support any of these assertions?

Only an article from a French newspaper.

The debunkers claim it would not have happened due to the warrant the US already had out on UBL prior to 911.

Yeah, it's so unthinkable the CIA would meet up with a wanted fugitive.

winty I think mentioned earlier the 'failed' attacks against UBL. IMO there was clearly a difference of opinion between the Pentagon and the CIA in terms of what was happening in Afghanistan prior to 911. The Pentagon wanted to take him out, the CIA didn't.

On January 25 [2001], Tenet briefed the President on the Cole investigation. The written briefing repeated for top officials of the new administration what the CIA had told the Clinton White House in November. This included the "preliminary judgment" that al Qaeda was responsible, with the caveat that no evidence had yet been found that Bin Ladin himself ordered the attack... in March 2001, the CIA's briefing slides for Rice were still describing the CIA's "preliminary judgment" that a "strong circumstantial case" could be made against al Qaeda but noting that the CIA continued to lack "conclusive information on external command and control" of the attack

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Is there proof to support any of these assertions?

I'm enjoying the to and fro in this thread but simply stating something happened doesn't make it so. Ultimately truthers are up against Occam's Razor in this one.

I suppose it depends on what sort of proof you're after.

There's 3 basic types:

proof n

1. The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.

This is no problem. I'll take winty's assertion about Bin Laden visiting an American Hospital. You can find an article talking about this in the sydney morning herald, here. http://web.archive.org/web/20011119054852/http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/31/world/world105.html

Osama bin Laden underwent treatment in July at the American Hospital in Dubai where he met a US Central Intelligence Agency official, French daily Le Figaro and Radio France International reported today.
uoting "a witness, a professional partner of the administrative management of the hospital," they said the man suspected by the United States of being behind the September 11 terrorist attacks had arrived in Dubai on July 4 by air from Quetta, Pakistan.

Going back to our definition of proof, this bit may compel a mind to accept it as true. Therefore, it is proof.

2. Law The result or effect of evidence; the establishment or denial of a fact by evidence.

Would I walk into a court of law with just that article as proof, according to this definition.

No, because there would be counter argument to show the newspaper may be biased, the witnesses may have been wrong, the govt may deny it etc.

I would use it as circumstantial evidence, but not absolute proof. Nothing much that's been said in this thread would stand up in a court of law.

Conversely, the 9/11 Commission Report may be inadmissible in a court of law, on the grounds that it is hearsay...ie BULLSHIT!

3. The alcoholic strength of a liquor, expressed by a number that is twice the percentage by volume of alcohol present.

The debunkers in this thread have been drinking too much of this and then posting.

Onto your second point about Occams Razor.

The most useful statement of the principle for scientists is, "when you have two competing theories which make exactly the same predictions, the one that is simpler is the better."

Ok lets see how this plays out.

We have 2 competing theories.

theory 1. A plane hit this building

theory 2. A missile hit this building.

Now watch the clip.

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Apply Occams Razor to what you've seen. What's the simplest theory that explains what you have seen with your own eyes. Now that's a very simplistic way of applying it, but I believe that's the basic premise of the Razor.

 

[rayven]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

The real question here is why we the public, only have one shitty video of The Pentagon being blown up.
It shows nothing to indicate that a plain or anything else for that matter blew it up.
The FBI still holds footage of the pentagon attacks and they still won't show us the people what really went down.
Surely if they have nothing to hide, they can let the public decide.

Nailed!

 

[winty]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

The ISI, which is the Pakistani equivalent of the CIA, apparently not only funded the hi-jackers, but also gave them the go-ahead. Not only that, but the head of the ISI was in Washington meeting the head of the CIA in the days before 9/11. Wonder what they were discussing in that meeting...

Oh, I nearly forgot. Osama had been on the US's most wanted list for years and had a $5 million bounty on his head, yet in June 2001, he spent a week or so being cared for in an American hospital in Dubai, and even had a visit by the local CIA agent there. Guess no-one thought about arresting him while he was there though, considering he's still at large.

Here's another interesting tidbit too. Apparently when the US military had pinpointed Osama in one of his caves after 9/11, they had him surrounded on three sides, but left the back door, which coincidentally was the border to Pakistan, undefended. No prizes for guessing what Osama did.

Is there proof to support any of these assertions?

I read about the three in David Ray Griffin's book "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11." Looking through the notes section of the book, the event I mentioned in the first paragraph was reported in The News, which is a Pakistani newspaper, on September 10, 2001.

The incident in the 2nd paragraph was reported in Le Figaro, a French newspaper, on October 31, 2001, the Guardian and London Times on November 1, 2001, on Radio France on November 1, 2001, and Reuters on November 10, 2001.

As for the incident in the last paragraph, it was reported in the Christian Science Monitor on March 4, 2002 and the Telegraph on February 23, 2002.

Hope that helps.

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Since there has been no rebuttal to the previous posts -and the debunkers have thrown their toys out of the cot - I believe we can now conclude, in this thread anyway: 911 was an inside job.

/thread

 

[nut]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Since there has been no rebuttal to the previous posts -and the debunkers have thrown their toys out of the cot - I believe we can now conclude, in this thread anyway: 911 was an inside job.

/thread

Agreed... But.

Inside what would now become the question???? who initiated it?? The government??? The CIA?? The Israelis?? The federal reserve??? hmmm

The real power in the US is not the Government. Money in the US = Power, if you control the money then you have total control.

My personal belief.... and it's my own theory only.... is that the Towers were wired along time ago with explosives... maybe even when they were built. So we could have another Pearl Harbour.

War = Debt. Who benefits from this Debt??? there lies the answer IMO.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Not so fast ET. Most of what I have read on this page has been addressed but can be again.

Just going through some personal stuff at the moment so this thread and your eagerness to claim victory despite being knocked down so many times, while cute, is low on my list of priorities.

Just keep an eye on your subscribed threads.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

John Wheeler's apparent murder will no doubt be weaved into the fabric of 911 conspiracies.

Interesting bloke with some interesting connections being murdered in strange circumstances.

What was that word again?

 

[Kellythatsit]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I still don't really see what the whole point of this supposed conspiracy is?

Was it a false flag operation to go to war? Was it an insurance scam to help out a buddy? Or is it simply designed to scare the bejebus out of everyone allowing conservative governments around the world to tighten their grip around our necks and pass laws to shut us up?

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I still don't really see what the whole point of this supposed conspiracy is?

Was it a false flag operation to go to war? Was it an insurance scam to help out a buddy? Or is it simply designed to scare the bejebus out of everyone allowing conservative governments around the world to tighten their grip around our necks and pass laws to shut us up?

I think the opposite way. What possible reason would a member of the Bin Laden family have to attack the US?

If these terrorists were so pissed off at Israel and it's allies, wouldn't it have been easier and more effective to simply attack Israel? I mean why take the scenic route? Why would you attack the most powerful country/army in the world, literally inviting them to set up camp in your back yard?

It makes no sense.

If there is anyone with a geopolitical interest amongst us to answer the following question. Which countries in the middle east benefit the most from the US occupying Afghanistan and Iraq, specifically?

Not asking to make a point. I just want to know.

 

[nut]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I still don't really see what the whole point of this supposed conspiracy is?

Was it a false flag operation to go to war?

Yes

Was it an insurance scam to help out a buddy?

yes also...

Or is it simply designed to scare the bejebus out of everyone allowing conservative governments around the world to tighten their grip around our necks and pass laws to shut us up?

yes to that as well....

There was so much argument from other nations not to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.... the US needed a BIG reason and they had one... and then made up a few more etc...

 

[Kellythatsit]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

There was so much argument from other nations not to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.... the US needed a BIG reason and they had one... and then made up a few more etc...

So instead the newly elected Bush administration implements the greatest and most elaborate hoax in history. A hoax involving possibly hundreds of unnamed people and requiring absolute discretion from all levels - government employees, the illusive demolition team, NYFD, NYPD . . . families of the alleged victims, even the victims themselves. All EXCEPT Larry Silverstein himself who is apparently allowed to give random interviews unchecked, dropping subtle hints in TV interviews about the deception he is supposedly reaping a huge windfall from.

If you were going to do this, would you do it this way?’ There are cheaper, better, easier and safer ways to get into a war. These almost omniscient government conspirators use a ridiculously complex plan that has the after effect of crashing not only the US airline industry but impacts every other nations as well, damages national financial markets at a time when cash is most needed in the gearing up for war, destroy very very valuable property yet have the owner of said property publicly admit the fraud the next day, panic the WORLD, kill your own citizens etc. Then blame it on Osama Bin Laden even though the goal is to invade Iraq to which Bin Laden has no ties whatsoever.

Why pick Osama as the fall guy if the target is Hussein. Why not just pick Saddam and ‘plant’ evidence to show it was him all along, thereby never needing to go to Afghanistan at all. After all if you can plan the attack why not the culprit . . . no need to go scratching for evidence of a link to Iraq AFTER the attack when you have all the opportunity and resources to set it up before.

Why the need to go to war anyway, to lower oil prices? Wow that worked out well didn't it. Create world instability and then compound that into the oil fields of the middle east, specifically Iraq - who supply less than 1% of US energy anyway. I have no idea why the markets wouldn't have reacted positively to this??

Finally, couldn't all this have been achieved by a ‘foiled’ plot. ie Terrorists were 15 minutes from the murder of thousands … a president that was already fairly unpopular would certainly come out better having stopped an attack than permitting one. Or if you needed a big attack why not just the anthrax that came after. Everyone panicking over any white powder. Far far easier to plant Anthrax or similar in the towers or Disneyland, have a panic, then capture your suspects who blow themselves up or whatever you want.

How can these conspirators be all powerful, all seeing, all knowing, and completely incompetent at the same time?

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Why would the US want lower oil prices?

A key plank in their national defense is ensuring the price of oil doesn't fall below a level where it becomes uneconomic to drill for oil in the US.

In fact the only reason I can see for a conspiracy would be the world glut in oil and historically low prices prior to 9/11.

 

[Kellythatsit]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Why would the US want lower oil prices?

A key plank in their national defense is ensuring the price of oil doesn't fall below a level where it becomes uneconomic to drill for oil in the US.

In fact the only reason I can see for a conspiracy would be the world glut in oil and historically low prices prior to 9/11.

That makes even less sense.

Historically a rise in oil price translates to a slowing in the economy, in fact 10 of the last 11 recessions in the US have been preceded immediately by a price hike in oil. So an already unpopular US government would risk a potential recession not to mention the ire of the entire planet, including that of many precious allies, simply to boost the price of oil? Just so a few already incredibly wealthy men can buy an ivory back scratcher? And then to do it they have to mastermind the most complex and destructive attack on it's own people in history? And not a SINGLE whistle blower in all this time?

This last point is incredible if the truthers theories are to be believed. Not a single person came forward to even back up these claims. Why? How is this possible when we've seen much lesser and smaller conspiracies fall because of loose lips!

My god, the more I think about it the more ridiculous and fantastical the whole contention is.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

It might not make sense to you but it is fact.

Low oil prices are seen as a threat to US national security. Too high and they are seen as a threat to their economy.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist in large part because I doubt the morons in charge could have orchestrated it. However, I don't believe their account and it wouldn't surprise me if they knew planes or a plane was to be hijacked and thought that would suit their interests in allowing it to happen (thinking of course this would be a run of the mill hijacking and not the use of planes as missiles).

I only have two questions:

1) why the need to lie?
2) why is there so little focus on the subsequent anthrax attacks?

There are plenty of questions that need to be asked and the people responsible should have to answer them.

 

[Kellythatsit]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

My take is that I dont think one iota that the US Goverment had the know how to orchestrate 9/11 or even the balls to just look the other way before it happened. I think the Bush administration was totally and utterly inept. They were caught up in the 'don't tread on me' illusion that because they are the most powerful nation on the planet no one would be crazy enough to actually attack them, let alone a messianic lunatic living in parts unknown.

So when the unthinkable happened they found themselves hopelessly unprepared for the attack. Procedures and responses in the national defense were hopelessly outdated and would probably have been well researched by the terrorists who were then able to exploit these weaknesses.

The worst part though is that the 911 truthers spend so much time looking into this absurd conspiracy when the real conspiracy, the real fraud on not just the American people but on the entire world is left unchecked.

The dubious and absolutely false reasons for initiating the war in Iraq have had no serious scrutiny applied to them. Why, in light of all the evidence, has no member of the US or British Government been sanctioned over the obvious and deliberate fabrication of evidence to support their policy of war. Why haven't our own former Government Leaders been probed about this formally? Instead we have, and are left to rely on self serving autobiographies with sketchy recollections of the events and shallow rhetoric that reveals nothing.

This is the true conspiracy that should have us all up in arms! We were lied to and we have undeniable proof! Yet the 911 truthers muddy it all up with their idiotic and paranoid conspiracy theories so that any attempt to get to the real truth is lost in the madness.

The true abomination that a government can shoe horn the tragic and terrible loss of 9/11 into an illegal war is now thrown out as just another 9/11 Conspiracy Theory, but it is fact and it is still allowed to go unchecked.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Kellythatsit, there isn't anything in that last post I disagree with.

As I said earlier in this thread, 9/11 was to me another example of the gross incompetence of the government agencies that we see all the time in the US. Whether that be their security, their intelligence, their infrastructure, hell even their ability to provide assistance to people in their own country dying after a natural disaster, they consistently fail.

The only difference I see is I like people to question. Even when those questions border on the ridiculous.

Personally, like you, I would like to see the energy on both sides of the argument directed at the people that should be held accountable.

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Why would the US want lower oil prices?

A key plank in their national defense is ensuring the price of oil doesn't fall below a level where it becomes uneconomic to drill for oil in the US.

In fact the only reason I can see for a conspiracy would be the world glut in oil and historically low prices prior to 9/11.

There has been chatter the US is more concerned about how oil is traded, than directly trying to control price/supply/demand etc.

I'm a novice in oil bourse exchanges, but here's a few interesting quotes.

Iraq: Baghdad Moves To Euro
November 01, 2000 By Charles Recknagel
Baghdad's switch from the dollar to the euro for oil trading is intended to rebuke Washington's hard-line on sanctions and to encourage Europeans to challenge it.

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1095057.html

Iran enters the fray...

The Iranians are about to commit an "offense" far greater than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro of Iraq’s oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-based oil Bourse. In 2005-2006, The Tehran government has a developed a plan to begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades - using a euro-denominated international oil-trading mechanism. This means that without some form of US intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated neoconservative project for U.S. global domination, Tehran's objective constitutes an obvious encroachment on U.S. dollar supremacy in the international oil market

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

Dollar Danger: Iranian Oil Bourse Steps Up Activities

Friday, October 30, 2009

"The Iranian Oil Bourse was inaugurated on Monday in the Persian Gulf island of Kish as a venue to export oil and petrochemical products.

Iran, having the world’s second largest gas reserves and third largest oil reserves, is trying to play a more active role in oil and petrochemical transactions in international markets."These reports show that Iran is far slower progressing in its strategy to shift its oil trade from Federal Reserve Notes (FRN) to other currencies, predominantly the Euro.

OPEC members are required to settle oil trades in FRNs but most member states recognize the vulnerable position of FRNs as the world's reserve currency. Any decrease in demand for FRNs will hurt the whole world - and there will be no painless way out of the current mega-giga-mess.

http://prudentinvestor.blogspot.com/2009/10/dollar-danger-iranian-oil-bpurse-steps.html

The bolded part may be why Iran hasn't been invaded yet. I'm sure they've been put on notice...don't mess with the Dollar!

And surprise, surprise, New York and London control the bourse exchanges.

How Crude Oil is Bought and Sold
Crude oil is traded on the main world futures exchanges being the NYMEX and ICE futures exchanges.

 

[nut]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I never said that the Bush administration orchestrated it..... I said the US.... when you discover who controls the US ie... who controls the money then you will know who controls the US.

The US is controlled by Debt... someone is benefiting from it.