Conspiracy Theory Proof 9/11 was an Inside Job?

[TheBloods]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

How would the investigators be fooled into not recognising that it was a controlled demolition?

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I fear getting into a discussion on this subject with you EasterTiger, you have done a lot of research to back up your point of view (whether I agree with it or not) and it is clear after so many long pages of this thread that you are never, ever going to change your mind on this. However, I must object to being called a “debunker”. This infers that I begin with the belief that the comments Russo has made, or the claims of the truth movement are untrue then look for evidence to back this up. However, this is incorrect. I am always skeptical of any unusual claims. The claims that have been made here are quite extraordinary and require some skepticism to be applied which is why I have outlined 5 of the top questions which were just off the top of my head. The statement made by Russo is a great story and truly shattering if true, however without evidence to back this up there is no chance that I can consider it to be genuine.

Yes you are right it was Nick and not David.

And don't fear anyone. I'm not here to shoot anyone down or make anyone look foolish, except those who come in with an agenda.

Aaron's statement is extraordinary. Doesn't mean the conversation didn't happen. No media outlet will touch this story unless it can be backed up by a third party. As to Nick's motive for revealing what he did (if he in fact did), that's anyone's guess.

 

[evo]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

What gets me about the unwillingness to believe in a possible conspiracy is the fact that since 9/11 we have all seen the entire US government apparatus come together to foist a completely fabricated justification for the invasion and destruction of a sovereign nation upon their citizens.

Exactly, so they don't actually need to kill thousands of their own people, fire missiles into the Pentagon and topple two iconic buildings.

For decades the U.S has been engaging in wars with foreign nations from South and Central America, Europe, Africa to South East Asia and nary a building was toppled. Why even bother with this elaborate master scheme you are proposing?

 

[OldBlueFan]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

How would the investigators be fooled into not recognising that it was a controlled demolition?

IS that the only way you can think of that they could be cajoled into producing a flawed report? Really?

 

[TheBloods]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

IS that the only way you can think of that they could be cajoled into producing a flawed report? Really?

You treat movies far too seriously... really!

 

[OldBlueFan]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

You treat movies far too seriously... really!

You really need a new narrative dude. Simply sprouting phrases like "drug addled mind", "watch too much TV", "internet conspiracy nonsense" etc etc is not an argument technique, well, not a good one anyway. You're the one imagining some "gargantuan" conspiracy, I'm not.

Atrocities and crimes are committed, wars are fought, governments are brought down, foreign politicians are assassinated (or attempts made for same), innocent people are locked away for many years without charge nor trial others are whisked off to foreign destinations to be tortured etc etc, all in the name of US "national security".

Is it so hard to believe that the minds who are capable of justifying these things to themselves and others, might not be able to convince a body to release a flawed report "in the name of national security"?

Here's a simple scenario: "Listen investigators, we know you found evidence of controlled demolition, but we can't release this information to the public. The might of the US has just taken a massive hit as a result of not being able to prevent the hijackings and tower collisions. Our security apparatus has failed on almost every level, the last thing we need is for people to find out that these guys were able to plant explosives that brought down the towers".

Or there could easily have even been a briefing before NIST started their investigation: "Guys, our investigators have already found evidence of explosives and we really can't afford for this to get out. What we need from you is to shape your report to blame the collapse on the planes alone, it's vital for US national security".

Regardless of how extreme these scenarios might be, they are at least possible and therefore, don't require investigators to be part of a "conspiracy", but rather merely part of a cover-up. One that they can easily be convinced is in the interests of the country that they are so very gung ho about.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Is it so hard to believe that the minds who are capable of justifying these things to themselves and others, might not be able to convince a body to release a flawed report "in the name of national security"?

Here's a simple scenario: "Listen investigators, we know you found evidence of controlled demolition, but we can't release this information to the public. The might of the US has just taken a massive hit as a result of not being able to prevent the hijackings and tower collisions. Our security apparatus has failed on almost every level, the last thing we need is for people to find out that these guys were able to plant explosives that brought down the towers".

Or there could easily have even been a briefing before NIST started their investigation: "Guys, our investigators have already found evidence of explosives and we really can't afford for this to get out. What we need from you is to shape your report to blame the collapse on the planes alone, it's vital for US national security".

Regardless of how extreme these scenarios might be, they are at least possible and therefore, don't require investigators to be part of a "conspiracy", but rather merely part of a cover-up. One that they can easily be convinced is in the interests of the country that they are so very gung ho about.

FFS - are people really this stupid?

Why would someone blow up a building when they know a plane is going to crash into it (or nearby) anyway ?

Do you understand how silly your scenario is ?
"Sh*t, we've just discovered that WTC7 was actually blown up. We must keep this a secret as the American people will cope with commercial, domestic planes filled with passengers being crashed into an iconic building in their largest city but simply will not put up with a smallish building being blown up. WE MUST NOT LET THIS GET OUT !!!!"

Do you have any concept of risk versus reward ?
Here we have a scenario where the 'evil geniuses' basically have zero reward (unless you are one of those that think Americans would not have been sufficiently outraged without WTC7 being blown up) and a whole lot to lose.

It seems every month this thread gets dumber and dumber.

 

[TheBloods]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

You really need a new narrative dude. Simply sprouting phrases like "drug addled mind", "watch too much TV", "internet conspiracy nonsense" etc etc is not an argument technique, well, not a good one anyway. You're the one imagining some "gargantuan" conspiracy, I'm not.

Atrocities and crimes are committed, wars are fought, governments are brought down, foreign politicians are assassinated (or attempts made for same), innocent people are locked away for many years without charge nor trial others are whisked off to foreign destinations to be tortured etc etc, all in the name of US "national security".

Is it so hard to believe that the minds who are capable of justifying these things to themselves and others, might not be able to convince a body to release a flawed report "in the name of national security"?

Here's a simple scenario: "Listen investigators, we know you found evidence of controlled demolition, but we can't release this information to the public. The might of the US has just taken a massive hit as a result of not being able to prevent the hijackings and tower collisions. Our security apparatus has failed on almost every level, the last thing we need is for people to find out that these guys were able to plant explosives that brought down the towers".

Or there could easily have even been a briefing before NIST started their investigation: "Guys, our investigators have already found evidence of explosives and we really can't afford for this to get out. What we need from you is to shape your report to blame the collapse on the planes alone, it's vital for US national security".

Regardless of how extreme these scenarios might be, they are at least possible and therefore, don't require investigators to be part of a "conspiracy", but rather merely part of a cover-up. One that they can easily be convinced is in the interests of the country that they are so very gung ho about.

LOL - and you wonder why I make comments like "drug addled mind", "watch too much TV", "internet conspiracy nonsense"...

 

[Kellythatsit]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

My point is that it would only take about 50 to pull off the hijacking plus the demolition. You don't agree with that, fine, but I never brought all these other people in on it, that was you.

Whether I brought them in on it or you did is neither here nor there. The fact remains that those people and organisations would still need to be hushed up to some degree for your scenario to be plausible.

Why has not one of these people come forward as a whistleblower??

Here's a simple scenario: "Listen investigators, we know you found evidence of controlled demolition, but we can't release this information to the public. The might of the US has just taken a massive hit as a result of not being able to prevent the hijackings and tower collisions. Our security apparatus has failed on almost every level, the last thing we need is for people to find out that these guys were able to plant explosives that brought down the towers".

Or there could easily have even been a briefing before NIST started their investigation: "Guys, our investigators have already found evidence of explosives and we really can't afford for this to get out. What we need from you is to shape your report to blame the collapse on the planes alone, it's vital for US national security".

Regardless of how extreme these scenarios might be, they are at least possible and therefore, don't require investigators to be part of a "conspiracy", but rather merely part of a cover-up. One that they can easily be convinced is in the interests of the country that they are so very gung ho about.

Are you kidding with this? Honestly you must think the world is populated with simpletons. These investigators are unlikely to blindly submit to some appeal to patriotism or government national security agenda. They are some of the brightest minds in their field. Their whole profession revolves around looking at anomalies and getting to the bottom of it. This is a ridiculous hypothesis. If this is considered a realistic scenario in the 9/11 truth movement it is further proof of the naivety and ignorance that there is already overwhelming evidence for.

 

[OldBlueFan]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Whether I brought them in on it or you did is neither here nor there. The fact remains that those people and organisations would still need to be hushed up to some degree for your scenario to be plausible.

Why has not one of these people come forward as a whistleblower??

I have one name for you ... Bradley Manning.

Are you kidding with this? Honestly you must think the world is populated with simpletons. These investigators are unlikely to blindly submit to some appeal to patriotism or government national security agenda. They are some of the brightest minds in their field. Their whole profession revolves around looking at anomalies and getting to the bottom of it. This is a ridiculous hypothesis. If this is considered a realistic scenario in the 9/11 truth movement it is further proof of the naivety and ignorance that there is already overwhelming evidence for.

The examples serve to illustrate a point. You don't need people necessarily involved in the original conspiracy in order for them to be complicit in the cover up.

How many journalists (supposedly folks who's job description is to expose government wrongdoing) were willing to go along with the whole deception that was the lead-up to the Iraq war? There were many opposing opinions to the "accepted wisdom" and yet by the time the war was launched a significant percentage of the US public believed:

1) Saddam had WMD
2) Saddam was responsible for 9/11
3) Saddam had links with al-Qaeda

These journalists and 'experts' are people who are not even employed by the government who are nonetheless doing their bidding in the name of "national security".

I say again, the consequences (even for US citizens) of the illegal Iraq war far outstrip the consequences of 9/11 and yet the behaviours exhibited in the lead up to that war are somehow not consistent with possible behaviours post-9/11? Why?

I am not suggesting that these people were asked to cover up wrongdoing on the part of the people truly responsible for 9/11. I am saying that they, like you, start from the assumption that terrorists attacked the US and they were asked to help limit the damage caused by that attack. If they know that they are acting with the full backing of the US govt and it's media legions, I doubt they'd be too concerned about their "reputations".

 

[Coolangatta]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

FFS - are people really this stupid?

Why would someone blow up a building when they know a plane is going to crash into it (or nearby) anyway ?

To make sure the twin towers were destroyed. Why would the government want to do that? I don't know, I don't think they were behind it anymore myself, you couldn't keep something this big a secret. If the government really had that kind of power, then why didn't they plant fake WMD's in Iraq? Why don't they shut conspiracy sites down to prevent the "truth" from getting out?

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

FFS - are people really this stupid?

Why would someone blow up a building when they know a plane is going to crash into it (or nearby) anyway ?

Do you understand how silly your scenario is ?
"Sh*t, we've just discovered that WTC7 was actually blown up. We must keep this a secret as the American people will cope with commercial, domestic planes filled with passengers being crashed into an iconic building in their largest city but simply will not put up with a smallish building being blown up. WE MUST NOT LET THIS GET OUT !!!!"

Do you have any concept of risk versus reward ?
Here we have a scenario where the 'evil geniuses' basically have zero reward (unless you are one of those that think Americans would not have been sufficiently outraged without WTC7 being blown up) and a whole lot to lose.

It seems every month this thread gets dumber and dumber.

'What you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever read. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response, were you close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul'

 

[Kellythatsit]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I have one name for you ... Bradley Manning.

There is a world of difference between a genuine whistleblower exposing the greatest hoax of all time and a disgruntled serviceman leaking embarrassing videos and documents to an internet site.

Without derailing this thread I'd like to point out that I disagree with the treatment of Manning but I don't regard him as a hero. What he leaked was important to see as it reinforced what we already knew - war is horrible and innocents are being caught in the crossfire every day. However, I fear there is more vitriol to his motives than any foreboding sense of "doing the right thing". (Just my opinion though).

Here is a name for you now - Colleen Rowley . . .

And another, Mark Felt.

 

[Kellythatsit]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

To make sure the twin towers were destroyed. Why would the government want to do that? I don't know, I don't think they were behind it anymore myself, you couldn't keep something this big a secret. If the government really had that kind of power, then why didn't they plant fake WMD's in Iraq? Why don't they shut conspiracy sites down to prevent the "truth" from getting out?

This is something I don't get. There are countless websites and podcasts proclaiming the coming NWO and it's vicious, ruthless perpetrators are out to eliminate all dissent. Yet these authors don't seem concerned enough to remain anonymous. If it is true why aren't there battalions of shock troopers dispatched to eliminate these purveyors of truth and stifle their voice?

The only possible explanation is that they are so far off the mark it barely registers with them

OR it is all bs!

 

[TheBloods]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

The examples serve to illustrate a point. You don't need people necessarily involved in the original conspiracy in order for them to be complicit in the cover up.

How many journalists (supposedly folks who's job description is to expose government wrongdoing) were willing to go along with the whole deception that was the lead-up to the Iraq war? There were many opposing opinions to the "accepted wisdom" and yet by the time the war was launched a significant percentage of the US public believed:

1) Saddam had WMD
2) Saddam was responsible for 9/11
3) Saddam had links with al-Qaeda

These journalists and 'experts' are people who are not even employed by the government who are nonetheless doing their bidding in the name of "national security".

I say again, the consequences (even for US citizens) of the illegal Iraq war far outstrip the consequences of 9/11 and yet the behaviours exhibited in the lead up to that war are somehow not consistent with possible behaviours post-9/11? Why?

I am not suggesting that these people were asked to cover up wrongdoing on the part of the people truly responsible for 9/11. I am saying that they, like you, start from the assumption that terrorists attacked the US and they were asked to help limit the damage caused by that attack. If they know that they are acting with the full backing of the US govt and it's media legions, I doubt they'd be too concerned about their "reputations".

It's staggering that you are continuing with this ludicrous point.

Two simple problems:

(i) Journalists and analysts did disagree with the US invasion of Iraq. (Not to mention the fact that the job of most journalists is to report the news. Investigative journalists do what you are suggesting.)

(ii) Accepting evidence presented via press release is quite different to being told to ignore evidence that you are investigating in situ.

And numerous other problems that it would be a waste of time to mention as you seem to have accepted such bizarre reasoning.

Your analogy is laughable.

 

[EasternTiger]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I have one name for you ... Bradley Manning.

The examples serve to illustrate a point. You don't need people necessarily involved in the original conspiracy in order for them to be complicit in the cover up.

How many journalists (supposedly folks who's job description is to expose government wrongdoing) were willing to go along with the whole deception that was the lead-up to the Iraq war? There were many opposing opinions to the "accepted wisdom" and yet by the time the war was launched a significant percentage of the US public believed:

1) Saddam had WMD
2) Saddam was responsible for 9/11
3) Saddam had links with al-Qaeda

These journalists and 'experts' are people who are not even employed by the government who are nonetheless doing their bidding in the name of "national security".

I say again, the consequences (even for US citizens) of the illegal Iraq war far outstrip the consequences of 9/11 and yet the behaviours exhibited in the lead up to that war are somehow not consistent with possible behaviours post-9/11? Why?

I am not suggesting that these people were asked to cover up wrongdoing on the part of the people truly responsible for 9/11. I am saying that they, like you, start from the assumption that terrorists attacked the US and they were asked to help limit the damage caused by that attack. If they know that they are acting with the full backing of the US govt and it's media legions, I doubt they'd be too concerned about their "reputations".

Good post

 

[OldBlueFan]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

There is a world of difference between a genuine whistleblower exposing the greatest hoax of all time and a disgruntled serviceman leaking embarrassing videos and documents to an internet site.

Without derailing this thread I'd like to point out that I disagree with the treatment of Manning but I don't regard him as a hero. What he leaked was important to see as it reinforced what we already knew - war is horrible and innocents are being caught in the crossfire every day. However, I fear there is more vitriol to his motives than any foreboding sense of "doing the right thing". (Just my opinion though).

Here is a name for you now - Colleen Rowley . . .

And another, Mark Felt.

Exactly my point. If you consider the actual threat that Manning and the information that he's leaked poses, the barbarity of his treatment has one purpose (or maybe 2, if you count the theory that the US govt is trying to get him to implicate Assange and Wikileaks as accomplices) and that is to send a clear message to anyone who considers "breaking ranks". I hate to imagine what anyone who has genuine conflicting information about 9/11 might go through if they chose to reveal it.

I like the memo, but you're citing someone who seems a fair way down the food chain and seems to be objecting to claims that the FBI were less than competent in their investigations prior to 9/11 and therefore "going in to bat" for her fellow officers. And this:

I feel that certain facts, including the following, have, up to now, been omitted, downplayed, glossed over and/or mis-characterized in an effort to avoid or minimize personal and/or institutional embarrassment on the part of the FBI and/or perhaps even for improper political reasons:

Would seem to support my hypothesis more than refute it. She seems to be accusing high-level FBI personnel of skewing facts for "political" reasons. If she believes that is possible, then what might they be willing to do for "national security" reasons?

As for expecting anything like early 70's integrity to be present in the 2000's, well ... call me a cynic. Bush and his cronies would have been brought up on war crimes charges in the 70's. The two eras are utterly incomparable.

 

[OldBlueFan]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Oh and by the way, high level CIA agents KNEW that their assessments of WMD and other threats from Iraq were being "cherry picked" by Dick Cheney and his cohorts. Traditional protocols of the intelligence agencies where they vetted the raw intelligence and presented their findings to the government were completely bypassed so that Cheney and his crew could make up whatever they liked from the raw intelligence.

Where were the whistleblowers then who could have saved:

1) Several thousand American lives (and in advance they couldn't have even known that it would have been that few)
2) Over 1 million Iraqi lives
3) Hundreds of billions of US dollars

I had a friend who was starting to believe that there were no WMDs and that the Iraq war was a con, right up until Colin Powell's speech to the UN. Once that happened, he said there's no way that a man like Powell could be convinced to sell his integrity for the twisted aims of his superiors. Well, look how wrong he was.

There are countless examples of people willing to compromise their integrity in the interests of their superiors and US national security and yet you guys don't seem willing to accept that it could have happened in this instance. Why?

 

[Daytripper]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

'What you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever read. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response, were you close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul'

Excuse me ????
I don't think its possible for you to be any dumber so that rules that out anyway.

You're a truther - probably the biggest group of drug-f**ked, gullible, idiots on the planet.

You haven't even come close to answering the question as to why they would blow up a building when two hijacked planes are crashing nearby anyway.

Or are you in that extra 'special' group of truthers who actually believe that planes didn't crash into the towers - but rather they were holygrams.

You do realise that when you espouse these theories, that everyone automatically thinks you have the IQ of a 5 year old. For your sake, I hope you don't do it publicly and this forum is about as far as you go. At least its anonymous that way.

 

[maryjames]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Lets face it.. The world is one corrupted ****ed up place.. war happens because of the trillionaires.. And if people don't realize this there heads are in the sand..

Just look into the Secret War of Laos what the CIA did to them...trully sick.

And the people here who just think a few Muslims from Saudi Arabia highjacked 4 planes and got 3 buildings to collapse and the other plane to almost disappear but passports are perfectly intact are kidding themselves..
Daytripper do yourself a favour and educate yourself on what the CIA did to Laos.. Then you might realize CIA are sick MF's..Just think Laos was supposed to be neutral..But hey these same people could never slaughter there 'own' people.. pleeeeaaase.
Watch The Most Secret Place on Earth. CIA's Convert War in Laos..
But hey these same people could never do anything like 911...mindless.

 

[madhawkboy]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Excuse me ????
I don't think its possible for you to be any dumber so that rules that out anyway.

You're a truther - probably the biggest group of drug-f**ked, gullible, idiots on the planet.

You haven't even come close to answering the question as to why they would blow up a building when two hijacked planes are crashing nearby anyway.

Or are you in that extra 'special' group of truthers who actually believe that planes didn't crash into the towers - but rather they were holygrams.

You do realise that when you espouse these theories, that everyone automatically thinks you have the IQ of a 5 year old. For your sake, I hope you don't do it publicly and this forum is about as far as you go. At least its anonymous that way.

Wow, it's people like you that make things much worse. Clamining that the "Truthers" are just a bunch of ****ing idiots making the world worse because we want the answers and the truth, and are willing to stand up to the government and not be slaves to there propaganda?

You insult the families victims as well because a majority of the families feel that something was not told to them after the attacks. I believe that its fair and that they deserve some more answers or questions that have not been answers. What do you think Daytripper? Do you think that these crazy victims families of the 9/11 attacks deserve more answers? Or are they just a bunch of wack job idiots with an IQ of 5.

 

[Toshowyouwhy]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

..... because we want the answers and the truth, and are willing to stand up to the government and not be slaves to there propaganda?

I know I'm going to regret posting here.

But you are not a superhero. You are not saving the world. You are not doing anything of any use, apart from inflating your ego on the internet.

I get the feeling most Truthers genuinely feel like they are the exclusive members of some form of Justice League, too exclusive even for Superman, because he thinks the whole conspiracy theory is ridiculous too.

I really hope I don't get dragged into more of this debate, but this aspect of it pisses me off more than most of it.

As you were.

 

[madhawkboy]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I know I'm going to regret posting here.

But you are not a superhero. You are not saving the world. You are not doing anything of any use, apart from inflating your ego on the internet.

I get the feeling most Truthers genuinely feel like they are the exclusive members of some form of Justice League, too exclusive even for Superman, because he thinks the whole conspiracy theory is ridiculous too.

I really hope I don't get dragged into more of this debate, but this aspect of it pisses me off more than most of it.

As you were.

What superhero? I'm just not blinded by all the bullshit that is spread out thought the government about how the government are the good guys.

I'm actually trying to get the real information out there unlike you. What are you doing to make it better, **** all probably.

 

[Toshowyouwhy]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

I'm being as useful as you, with one difference.

I'm not deluded enough to think that I am being useful.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: Proof 911 was an Inside Job?

Wow, it's people like you that make things much worse. Clamining that the "Truthers" are just a bunch of ****ing idiots making the world worse because we want the answers and the truth, and are willing to stand up to the government and not be slaves to there propaganda?

You don't want answers or the truth. You want to hear an answer that legitimises your ridiculous theories. There have already been inquiries and investigations. You choose not to believe them.

You insult the families victims as well because a majority of the families feel that something was not told to them after the attacks. I believe that its fair and that they deserve some more answers or questions that have not been answers. What do you think Daytripper? Do you think that these crazy victims families of the 9/11 attacks deserve more answers? Or are they just a bunch of wack job idiots with an IQ of 5.

What a load of tripe.

Of course not everything has been told. Its called 'national security'. You don't just open the book on everything.

That does not mean that there was some stupid conspiracy.

And spare me the pity about feeling for the victims families. You guys could not give a flying f**k about them. As Toshowyouwhy eloquently put it, the only thing you guys are interested in is inflating your ego on the internet. I guess when you've been called 'stupid' your whole life you try and cling onto something that seemingly makes you feel smart. I'll give you the tip - everyone is laughing at you.