Sorry my bad, I thought you were quoting SA.Yes, which is kind of my point. I was speculating on the schools that Golden6 may have attended, besides Mooroolbark High.
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Sorry my bad, I thought you were quoting SA.Yes, which is kind of my point. I was speculating on the schools that Golden6 may have attended, besides Mooroolbark High.
Was that the Seventh Day Adventist one?Correct, I went to Mt Lilydale. The school offered everything I could've asked for in terms of education, teachers, sport etc. Never came across any issues there during my time. Especially compared to Lilydale High and Lilydale Heights.
I'm out of the loop not having kids so not knowing what is normal for each age but my mate's 4 year old counted out all her little princess fairy toy things (whatever the **** they were) she had on the desk in front of her from 1 to 19 or 20 no worries. I thought she was a genius, but that might be normal for that age. Not being able to read at 7 is shocking. Every kid should be able to read before starting school, let alone by 7.
I'm out of the loop not having kids so not knowing what is normal for each ach but my mate's 4 year old counted out all her little princess fairy toy things (whatever the **** they were) she had on the desk in front of her from 1 to 19 or 20 no worries. I thought she was a genius, but that might be normal for that age. Not being able to read at 7 is shocking. Every kid should be able to read before starting school, let alone by 7.
Probably wasn't intense, but you still would have learned a lot.What individual needs do 3 year olds have?
I went to play group/pre-primary in I think 1989/90 so I don't remember a lot but from what I do remember it wasn't all that intense.
Basically don't go teeing off about public schools when so many of them are great: Princes Hill, Uni High, Camberwell are schools people I know have gone to and they did well in school, do well at uni, and are generally well-adjusted kids who'll do okay in life. It's no surprise they live in a good area.So what's your answer then, since you feel a private education is a waste of time and money (my bet is he went to Mt Lilydale or Aquinas as a co-ed Catholic alternative in the area)? 'Be born in Camberwell, or Kew'?
I'd love to know how you have such a comprehensive knowledge of every pub and suburb of Melbourne, having been here for all of five minutes. I'd be absolutely amazed if you've even set foot in half of the places you feel compelled to share your opinion of. And the ones that you have, I wonder how you got there? An outer suburban train station probably isn't the best site to do a snapshot of an entire suburb.
And some post on BF... some people love to masquerade in those ways to overcompensate for who they are.
I just find it really rich when people from average suburbs start teeing off about private schools being so much better, and how scummy public schools are. If you're some spoilt little prick whose dad is on Channel 9 and you're living in Kew and going to Geelong Grammar then yes you can probably look down and be a smug a-hole about the whole public school thing. But some snot nosed kid whose parents are working class and living in an outer ring suburb, who think they're elite because they went to a middling 5k private school is a ****in joke.
Some kid saying 'oh the kids who went to private school got into drugs, got into a middling life of nothing' is a bit of an unfair call when they're living in what was essentially a country town 20 years ago. The country and those outer areas generally have little to do and kids become bored, they find fun in other ways, and school becomes less relevant because the teachers give up and their mates are drinking UDLs and vandalising trains. It's a bit like saying someone who has broken up parents is a wreck because of it... but it's more than that: it's about nurture, circumstance, and yes socio-economics – and whether you like it or not, and lots of people on this forum don't, suburbs have so much to do with socioeconomics. Some little prat from St Kilda going to Wesley will get into drugs for 18 months and probably get out of it; some kid in Franga is going to be smoking can bongs. It's a generalisation but it isn't that out there, weird, or wrong.
Basically don't go teeing off about public schools when so many of them are great: Princes Hill, Uni High, Camberwell are schools people I know have gone to and they did well in school, do well at uni, and are generally well-adjusted kids who'll do okay in life. It's no surprise they live in a good area.
If you live in a s**t area then the price you have to pay for a less expensive house is private school – that's a no brainer. Accept it. Just like a benefit of spending more on a good suburb is a good school zone.
You only have to look at the amount of bogans in the AFL who were drafted out of private schools to realise it's no real barometer.
Most of the people I know went to average private schools but they don't harp on about it or think they're elite for it, and if they do it's generally a pisstake.
It's not that hard; private schools are generally pretty good but it's no recipe for success or even a recipe to have a clean skinned kid come out of it. It's a good thing to be able to afford to go to one. I'm not denying that – it's a privilege and there's a reason people take it up. But public schools, good public schools in great areas, are just as good and have some success stories too and some great results in personhood and academics.
It's a bit like the immigrant bloke running for One Nation, or the tradesmen who vote Liberal... some people love to masquerade in those ways to overcompensate for who they are.
Nah, I'm not entirely familiar with that one although I know there was one in the area.Was that the Seventh Day Adventist one?
Nah, I'm not entirely familiar with that one although I know there was one in the area.
This post is pretty spot on. My parents were on probably average money (around $60-70k after tax) but made the extra sacrifices so they could afford to send me to the school that I went to. I honestly feel like my life would've turned out completely differently had I been sent to a public high school in their area based on the individuals I'm familiar with, so I'm eternally grateful that decision was made.Is that how you read Golden6's post? It seemed to me that the thrust of the message was that Mt Lilydale was a solid school in the area, while Mooroolbark High was dodgy. And that if you had kids in the area who had aspirations of a tertiary education and you had the means, Mt Lilydale would be worth the extra money, compared to rolling the dice with Mooroolbark High. Nothing more, nothing less than that. That you felt it was worthy of all these crazy tangents you've drawn about elitism and whatever else says more about you than it does about Mooroolbark, or Golden6.
I'm not from Mooroolbark (not miles away though), but my nan lived there for as long as I can remember and my cousins also lived in the area. I've never had a problem with the suburb and nor has anyone in my family. My nan lived alone and was doing the 15-20 minute walk from home to the station to head into town well into her 90s without incident.
So when that's my experience over decades, it gets my nose out of joint to some extent to have someone who may never have even been there and who certainly wouldn't have a clue what the five ways is dismiss it as a shithole. It's OK you know, to decide 'Well, I don't really have a clue about that subject; I might just avoid offering my learned opinion on that one'?
Like I said, I'm not from Mooroolbark, but grew up about a 15 minute drive away. There's tons to do. Not so much if you're looking for wine bars and a burgeoning indie music scene, but for things that kids would be interested in, yeah there's no shortage.
Your list of quality public high schools is laughable. What planet are you on? Parkville, Carlton North and Camberwell. How many parents in their 30s-mid 40s are buying a 4-bedroom house there? Do you have any realistic examples of rock solid public schools in places where young families might actually live?
At $20000 a year at some now a days are you really getting that much value for money? You could go on a Round the World Trip and learn and do a hell of a lot more.
What "contacts" do you really make at a Private School anyway unless you think school mates will somehow propel you into a career which isn't really the sole purpose of mateship.
Went Public than Private.
I went to school a while a go so very different. But as of now if I had kids. Would send to a decent Public School.
What exactly do you mean by this?If you are raising your kid as a 7th Day Adventist then does their nuts and bolts education really matter?
It's very much area related. Around me the schools are garbage or filled with types you wouldn't want your kids hanging around. I think I'm pretty spot on when I s**t on public schools. They're just not as abundant as private schools, therefore a lot of the time unless you're going private you're probably ending up at some shitty school. The average family ain't living near Princes Hill or Camberwell.Basically don't go teeing off about public schools when so many of them are great: Princes Hill, Uni High, Camberwell are schools people I know have gone to and they did well in school, do well at uni, and are generally well-adjusted kids who'll do okay in life. It's no surprise they live in a good area.
If you live in a s**t area then the price you have to pay for a less expensive house is private school – that's a no brainer. Accept it. Just like a benefit of spending more on a good suburb is a good school zone.
You only have to look at the amount of bogans in the AFL who were drafted out of private schools to realise it's no real barometer.
Most of the people I know went to average private schools but they don't harp on about it or think they're elite for it, and if they do it's generally a pisstake.
It's not that hard; private schools are generally pretty good but it's no recipe for success or even a recipe to have a clean skinned kid come out of it. It's a good thing to be able to afford to go to one. I'm not denying that – it's a privilege and there's a reason people take it up. But public schools, good public schools in great areas, are just as good and have some success stories too and some great results in personhood and academics.
It's a bit like the immigrant bloke running for One Nation, or the tradesmen who vote Liberal... some people love to masquerade in those ways to overcompensate for who they are.
The Police Commissioner's kid in WA is a meth head who got done for shipping it down the Albany Highway.For $20,000 a year I'd want my kid to be rubbing shoulders with the Premier's kids and the Police Commissioner's kids and so forth. Are unremarkable, non-elite private schools in suburbia charging that much? And if so, what the **** are they spending all their bullshit government funding on?
What exactly do you mean by this?
I think maybe you need to research what a cult is.I mean if you are pushing them into a religious cult then you don't really have their future in mind so who cares if they can't good good and need to learn to do other stuff good too.