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Bonanza0033 said:
It is difficult because we want all qld comps to be the best possible. How do we attract the best talent from other States but not compromise the development of our locals? I might be wrong, but I think NT have zero points for ex AFL players to encourage them to play up there.

WA did have dispensation for certain occupations, like school teachers and stock agents, because they moved around regional areas regularly.

Certainly been some anomalies with the points in the QAFL this year, which needs tweaking, but has been reasonable even which has been great for QLD footy.


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Having talent come in from interstate would just set the bar higher to play senior footy. A stronger QAFL is going to make it harder for locals to play it. I dont see a problem with that. Its been said academy players seem to be leaving the game after their academy time is up, and they dont get drafted. If there was more prestige in making 1st grade, and an opportunity to test ones self against 'name' ex AFL players, would that hold some attraction? I dont know..

Having southern players involved in clubs would actually encourage/aid development. It should be encouraged, not penalized..
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Having talent come in from interstate would just set the bar higher to play senior footy. A stronger QAFL is going to make it harder for locals to play it. I dont see a problem with that. Its been said academy players seem to be leaving the game after their academy time is up, and they dont get drafted. If there was more prestige in making 1st grade, and an opportunity to test ones self against 'name' ex AFL players, would that hold some attraction? I dont know..

Having southern players involved in clubs would actually encourage/aid development. It should be encouraged, not penalized..
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Yeah its not as simple as that imo. There is a tipping point and in the end it simply means that a competition of interstaters playing for $$ puts pressure on clubs sustainability (lets not forget that some clubs need saving from themselves at times) and the development of local players, many of who are late developers. The quality of QAFL football is solid, kids don't drop out of footy bc there is no prestige associated with playing QAFL footy (if this was the case why would kids move to play QAFL footy which is often the argument).
The academy kids drop out rate is not anywhere near markedly different to other kids despite what is often proposed on here, its just that it is more obvious bc the boys are at the pointy end but clubs could/should take a good look at the good average footballers in colts age who just decide to down tools as well.
Mind you playing academy footy and being a good footballer don't always go hand in hand - sometimes the drop out is a realisation that I'm not as good as I thought!

The points system certainly needs some tinkering with, maybe a higher points tally with some relaxation on the harshness applied to some players but in the end it is a good lever to be able to pull to ensure the comps don't become too lopsided. The salary cap is obviously not well managed with 2022 a great example of clubs who are (allegedly) miles over but without penalty. The alternative is a relegation/promotion system to ensure the strongest clubs both financially and personnel wise play in QAFL footy.
Personally think we are 2 sides too many at QAFL level - the talent spread thin.
 
smy1305 said:
Yeah its not as simple as that imo. There is a tipping point and in the end it simply means that a competition of interstaters playing for $$ puts pressure on clubs sustainability (lets not forget that some clubs need saving from themselves at times) and the development of local players, many of who are late developers. The quality of QAFL football is solid, kids don't drop out of footy bc there is no prestige associated with playing QAFL footy (if this was the case why would kids move to play QAFL footy which is often the argument).
The academy kids drop out rate is not anywhere near markedly different to other kids despite what is often proposed on here, its just that it is more obvious bc the boys are at the pointy end but clubs could/should take a good look at the good average footballers in colts age who just decide to down tools as well.
Mind you playing academy footy and being a good footballer don't always go hand in hand - sometimes the drop out is a realisation that I'm not as good as I thought!

The points system certainly needs some tinkering with, maybe a higher points tally with some relaxation on the harshness applied to some players but in the end it is a good lever to be able to pull to ensure the comps don't become too lopsided. The salary cap is obviously not well managed with 2022 a great example of clubs who are (allegedly) miles over but without penalty. The alternative is a relegation/promotion system to ensure the strongest clubs both financially and personnel wise play in QAFL footy.
Personally think we are 2 sides too many at QAFL level - the talent spread thin.
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I dont pretend to know how the points system or salary cap works. But people have a way of getting round 'rules'. Rules are really only guidelines.

*Do we want ex-AFL players, VFL players in our comp? Do we want to attract players from interstate? If the answer is yes, then we should make it easier for clubs to recruit them, not harder.

*Is there a concession for clubs to have one or two 'marquis' players to whom no points or cap is allocated? If not, why not? I mean... why not?

*Local late developers can develop in reserve grade after all..

*How can we grow a stronger comp if we protect the less competitive (poorer) clubs? That will just penalise the stronger clubs and promote mediocrity. Better to give the established clubs that are struggling on the field concessions for recruitment and make them stronger?

*I agree there MAY be too many clubs. But which ones go? Why not give concessions on interstate recruitment to them and allow them to get stronger? A job and accommodation may be all many good players from interstate require? Not wads of cash.
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Can't get around the points system - its there for all to see. Salary cap yes

A desire to have ex VFL/AFL players in the comp? Not unless they hang for 2+ years, otherwise it is simply a cash grab and doesn't do the comp or the code any good. I wouldn't be diminishing their point value to allow them easier access - in fact having them [lay forces clubs to look at their own development as a consequence bc you need to have more 1 pt players.

No one suggesting protect less competitive clubs - in fact the beauty of the QAFL is there isn't an uncompetitive club - but people need to be mindful that without a promotion/relegation system then we automatically are placing clubs in a certain division and if we want that comp to be exactly that then the powers need to ensure it can occur with the levers they have.

I think you are not accepting that being at the lower end of the ladder is directly related to finances and capacity to attract these interstate players. Mounties, Sherwood and SP for instance aren't playing on fields of gold at their respective grounds. If you gave them points relaxations the same lists would be there as this year I am going to guess.
 

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Also can't look at isolated seasons to form an opinion. Surfers won the Premiership in the last uncompromised season. Sherwood haven't been lower than 6th in 10 years, Mount Gravatt similar. Teams are allowed to have a down year, especially in a heavily compromised period.

Over time it should even out, as if you look at Redland as one example - their best players are all from other QAFL clubs, or from the Western suburbs. This won't continue in future, but will just take time to correct itself.

Hammelman & Rolls (Morningside) Aston x 2 (Morningside/Wests), Yagmoor (Kenmore/Morningside) Franks, Johnson, Stallard, Hunkin (Sherwood), Huddy (Mt.Gravatt/Jindalee), Benson (Mt.Gravatt), Waters (Kenmore)

That equates to probably 6/7 of their Top 10 of their B&F being from other QAFL clubs - in future, these kids won't be moving and will stay where they are.
 
I think you'll find Harrison Hunkin is a VP Junior. Don't think he has ever played for the Magpies ever. I believe he might live out this way now, but he's got no connection to Sherwood.

But yes, would be nice to have the other local lads back 🧐😅

Also, pretty sure Benson is an Alex Hills junior, so he's not far from home.
 
Fair enough, the point remains though.

I'm sure Morningside would love Hammelman and Rolls running around in their junior colours, just as you would like Franks and Johnson in theirs. (1 & 2 in their 2021 B&F...)
 
smy1305 said:
Yeah its not as simple as that imo. There is a tipping point and in the end it simply means that a competition of interstaters playing for $$ puts pressure on clubs sustainability (lets not forget that some clubs need saving from themselves at times) and the development of local players, many of who are late developers. The quality of QAFL football is solid, kids don't drop out of footy bc there is no prestige associated with playing QAFL footy (if this was the case why would kids move to play QAFL footy which is often the argument).
The academy kids drop out rate is not anywhere near markedly different to other kids despite what is often proposed on here, its just that it is more obvious bc the boys are at the pointy end but clubs could/should take a good look at the good average footballers in colts age who just decide to down tools as well.
Mind you playing academy footy and being a good footballer don't always go hand in hand - sometimes the drop out is a realisation that I'm not as good as I thought!

The points system certainly needs some tinkering with, maybe a higher points tally with some relaxation on the harshness applied to some players but in the end it is a good lever to be able to pull to ensure the comps don't become too lopsided. The salary cap is obviously not well managed with 2022 a great example of clubs who are (allegedly) miles over but without penalty. The alternative is a relegation/promotion system to ensure the strongest clubs both financially and personnel wise play in QAFL footy.
Personally think we are 2 sides too many at QAFL level - the talent spread thin.
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One point that I’d like to talk about is interstaters playing for $, that is not necessarily the case. Plenty of 4 pointers playing in the 2s at Noosa who aren’t getting paid but have come to get away from covid lockdowns and a surf. I’d imagine that this is widespread throughout the QAFL.

I don’t agree with the promotion/relegation concept. It is too disruptive to the comp and doesn’t allow clubs to plan long term. How do you attract players to your club long term if you are a chance to be relegated?


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Bonanza0033 said:
One point that I’d like to talk about is interstaters playing for $, that is not necessarily the case. Plenty of 4 pointers playing in the 2s at Noosa who aren’t getting paid but have come to get away from covid lockdowns and a surf. I’d imagine that this is widespread throughout the QAFL.


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Funnily enough, I doubt that any of the mainstream Brisbane clubs in the QAFL have even one 4 point recruit from Victoria playing Ressies at the moment, not having any surf might be a contributing factor though.
 
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Funnily enough, I doubt that any of the mainstream Brisbane clubs in the QAFL have even one 4 point recruit from Victoria playing Ressies at the moment, not having any surf might be a contributing factor though.
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Labrador have a couple
 
Bonanza0033 said:
One point that I’d like to talk about is interstaters playing for $, that is not necessarily the case. Plenty of 4 pointers playing in the 2s at Noosa who aren’t getting paid but have come to get away from covid lockdowns and a surf. I’d imagine that this is widespread throughout the QAFL.

I don’t agree with the promotion/relegation concept. It is too disruptive to the comp and doesn’t allow clubs to plan long term. How do you attract players to your club long term if you are a chance to be relegated?


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Yes i agree with that too Bonanza - and the CV situation and lockdowns certainly threw another variable into the mix - but in the main, and from 1st hand experience, 90% of guys moving from interstate are expecting some sort of remuneration which in many cases is fair enough but at the same time they move with a Vic (country/metro)/SA "salary" in mind vs what is realistic for a comp where there is no gate and nowhere near the supporter base. TBH it amazes me how well so many clubs do in SEQ surviving and paying $70k+ each season as well.
 
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Funnily enough, I doubt that any of the mainstream Brisbane clubs in the QAFL have even one 4 point recruit from Victoria playing Ressies at the moment, not having any surf might be a contributing factor though.
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a 4pt player doesn't automatically provide a player with senior football status mind you either up here - the standard is a bit better than that!
 

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smy1305 said:
Yes i agree with that too Bonanza - and the CV situation and lockdowns certainly threw another variable into the mix - but in the main, and from 1st hand experience, 90% of guys moving from interstate are expecting some sort of remuneration which in many cases is fair enough but at the same time they move with a Vic (country/metro)/SA "salary" in mind vs what is realistic for a comp where there is no gate and nowhere near the supporter base. TBH it amazes me how well so many clubs do in SEQ surviving and paying $70k+ each season as well.
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the ones that can do that year in year out don't have $70k field maintenance bills :cool:
 
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a 4pt player doesn't automatically provide a player with senior football status mind you either up here - the standard is a bit better than that!
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Spot on. Plenty of 4 point players aren’t QAFL seniors standard. Fringe players in bottom placed teams in ok but not top level leagues down south are still 4 point point players.

Remember 5 senior games in any of the last 3 years is a pretty low benchmark.

Most clubs are still playing at lower than 50 points, there’s not that many genuine QAFL standard players getting squeezed on points but there are no doubt a few here and there.
 
Broady
Lab
Redland
M'side (Siders playing well, and at home. Aspley have come back to the pack, are coming off a weeks break, often not good for a team. Doesnt help late in year in finals. No reason to think it will benefit now. Siders seem to have wind in their sails at the right time of year. A late surge into the finals?)
Grange. (Both teams had a break, so a 'non continuity of play disadvantage' for both. Grange often seem to have a few outs. Break may see some ins. Grange at home.)
Noosa
 
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Broady
Lab
Redland
M'side (Siders playing well, and at home. Aspley have come back to the pack, are coming off a weeks break, often not good for a team. Doesnt help late in year in finals. No reason to think it will benefit now. Siders seem to have wind in their sails at the right time of year. A late surge into the finals?)
Grange. (Both teams had a break, so a 'non continuity of play disadvantage' for both. Grange often seem to have a few outs. Break may see some ins. Grange at home.)
Noosa
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Normally with the side Morningside has put out last month and the way they are playing I would also give them a sniff Required. But been hit massively with injuries and Covid this week to key players so not sharing your enthusiasm unfortunately.

Think it will be tough day at office for young Siders.
 
Still Me said:
Normally with the side Morningside has put out last month and the way they are playing I would also give them a sniff Required. But been hit massively with injuries and Covid this week to key players so not sharing your enthusiasm unfortunately.

Think it will be tough day at office for young Siders.
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Cheers, Still Me: We'll see.
 

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