Review Question about out skills.

[Alpha1]

Question about our skills.

After reading some of the threads etc here, the common theme seems to be our shocking skills, be it our field kicking, our hand balling or our shots on goal. It has been a pet hate of mine for years now that our skills don't seem to be improving at all, it seems like every year we are making the same mistakes, someone on a thread mentioned that Waite couldn't even get the ball to Carazzo or someone on the wing who was only 20 meters away and running in space and turned it over and it cost us a goal at a vital point in the game, the game then changed and we lost.

Others have mentioned that the Lions kicked at least 8 or 9 goals from our skill errors. But a lot of people on here seem to want to turn a blind eye to this most important of situations.

1: How can CFC take the next step forward if our skills aren't going to improve?

2: How do we improve their skills?

3. Is it the coaches or the players responsibility?

4. Do the CFC do any sort of work on basic skills?

I for one think we would have to be one of the worst sides when it comes to our foot and hand skills. We are going to get found out quickly against quality teams like the Lions etc. How do you guys on BF see this?

 

[zeeCFC]

They get paid $100,000+ a year....they should be able to hit someone on the tit (no Lovett jokes) from a mile away.

Don't see enough kicking practise at training TBH, however they may do it when the sessions are closed but i doubt it

 

[as0l0]

there were patches of very good skills last week under moderate pressure, but a bit tougher this week against decent pressure. You can't practice game pressure conditions during the off season (or during the week), just need to go through more games like that where the pressure is on and improve week by week, year by year.

 

[zeeCFC]

It must be said though, our skills so far have been better than last year's

 

[chaser1]

This is a valid point, ask RATTEN and co, as Jamison in a article has expressed the same concerns? So i would like to ask RATTEN and CO, why this is the case? Very valid question, bc if we do not improve it we are F**cked agaist good sides. Is it the players, mental application, not enough practice, shit coaching, recruiting of players with suspect skills in the first place ? Or maybe a combination of all these and some!!!

 

[Blueinblood]

I think (apart from a ready-to-go KPF) a designated kicker/hurn like pass is the glaring ommission from our team. We need a kick like Hurn, Hodge or Gilbee in our team, who can hit 50m Bullets. Houlihan has similar skill levels but onyl up to around 35m. Okeeffe could be the man but he is no certainty to make the grade.

 

[The Real Deal]

It must be a pre-requisite with recruiting that the player has a good skill level. It's ok to be a "goer" or "trier" but if you can't execute you shouldn't be getting a game. Players from last night that need to improve their skills- Armfield, Anderson, Setanta, Walker, Warnock, Russell at times but improving. That is too many and you get found out against the better teams.

 

[Dramoth]

We have a lot of work to do, Ratten and the coaching staff have answer questions. Seems to me that we have far too many players on our list with no skills to speak of, very disappointing.

Name the players and who their first and second coaches were.

Our skills development went backwards under Pagan and are starting to move forward under Ratts, but there are too many players on our list who had their skills atrophy while Pagan was at the club.

I think that our recruiting is slowly getting in good replacements for those players whose skills have atrophied.

 

[stevedarui]

You have to recruit players who can kick.

Armfield and Anderson cannot kick. You only need to look at their kicking actions to see they are going to struggle long term. Both are goers but their skills will always let them down under pressure. You cant afford to have ball carriers out of the backline who cant deliver the ball.

It is no surprise that the Hawthorn mantra was pick blokes with good kicking techniques.

Jordan Russell always had a good kicking action but struggled with confidence and his decision making.

Carrazzo's action is not great and that is what stops him being an elite player as he coughs the ball up under pressure.

 

[Blues_FC]

Carrazzo's kicking has improved a huge amount since 2008.

Carlton players that I think have suspect foot skills:

Andrew Walker
Chris Johnson
Setanta O'hAilpin
Paul Bower
Joe Anderson
Dennis Armfield

 

[Blue and Silver]

Carrazzo's kicking has improved a huge amount since 2008.

Carlton players that I think have suspect foot skills:

Andrew Walker
Chris Johnson
Setanta O'hAilpin
Paul Bower
Joe Anderson
Dennis Armfield

For the record:

When not under pressure Johnson has a wonderful action, however he often coughs it up when placed under the pump

Bower has a strange drop but has remarkable disposal efficiency, every one remembers his one or two clangers a game but never his good ones

 

[blue gunslinger]

Off topic:

I went to the St.kilda/Nth. Melb match last night and relatively speaking our skills, match-ups and game plan is miles ahead.
St.Kilda were good but not great, but the Roos had no idea as to their positioning on the ground.

As long as we have ferocity at the ball, it will make up for our perceived short comings in the skill dept.
We're really not that bad.

did you ask for a refund at half time?

 

[Sin City]

Winning the battle with intensity/defensive pressure has a lot of bearing in how well you're allowed to execute your skills. Teams are lucky to have one or two players with truly sublime skills under pressure, but having an effective team to take the pressure off makes a massive diference.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Brown's game v Riewoldt's - who would you pick 1st?

 

[Alpha1]

Haven't seen the games in question, so can't comment. But going by reports etc I would say Brown took the game by the neck and destroyed us when it mattered.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Have to say Brown for the simple fact he stood up in the big moments of a hard fought contest against better opposition then North Melbourne and a better direct opponent then what Reiwoldt had on him.

 

[Silvagnis]

Sin City touched on this, yet the problem isn't really, it's our skill under pressure and our accountability. Our mids need to work harder when they don't have the ball and put pressure on their teammates.

That's what we need to work on at training.

Rather hard to simulate match conditions at training...

Have to say Brown for the simple fact he stood up in the big moments of a hard fought contest against better opposition then North Melbourne and a better direct opponent then what Reiwoldt had on him.

Riewoldt beat two big defenders...

Brown had Thornton on him...

Brown is a superstar whose game was one out of the box, yet the hype and comparisons to Carey are a laugh. There are other legendary CHFs who have outperformed Brown's career with scary games like that.

Kernahan would have made mince meat out of Thornton.

I'd take Roughead and Franklin ahead of Fevola and Brown.

Kouta's 1999 preliminary final>>>>>Brown's game on Thornton.

Riewoldt's preliminary final against the Dogs in 09 was brilliant.

The ground Riewoldt covered in that game was extraordinary.

 

[chaser1]

Yes i totally agree with your assesment on our MIDS, not enough defensive pressure on the opposition.But this was a problem last year as well, coupled with poor disposal skills of some of our players. Their is a group of them that continually do it, questions must be asked as to why? It is the only way we can improve, it is improving all but SLOWLY.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Kernahan would have made mince meat out of Thornton.

I'd take Roughead and Franklin ahead of Fevola and Brown.

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One of the 4 would be handy for us. I would take Brown and Fev myself

 

[blues4flag]

For mine there isn't a better player in the competition than Riewoldt. Mightn't have Brown's presence but his work rate is extraordinary and there isn't a better mark in the game, period.

 

[Team Mo']

I don't think the difference between a win comes down to our skills that often. I think we only play badly when we drop of the intensity and willingness to pressure. I keep going back to that Geelong game where the Cats had no time at all and that made us look better. Once we give the opposition too much time they pick us to pieces and we are left to try and do too much under too much pressure.

Our skills don't change too much on a game to game basis but boy our intensity does...

 

[Malifice]

Brown's game v Riewoldt's - who would you pick 1st?

Brown.

Similar games, but the Brisbane game needed someone to step up and win it.

The Saints never looked in doubt from the opening bounce.

Browns also kicked half Brisbane score.

 

[blue gunslinger]

I don't think the difference between a win comes down to our skills that often. I think we only play badly when we drop of the intensity and willingness to pressure. I keep going back to that Geelong game where the Cats had no time at all and that made us look better. Once we give the opposition too much time they pick us to pieces and we are left to try and do too much under too much pressure.

Our skills don't change too much on a game to game basis but boy our intensity does...

agree except for the drop. last season we often turned up without any and got smashed from the start

 

[thylacine60]

Saints don't miss Kozi at all.

 

[Big Red is back]

1: How can CFC take the next step forward if our skills aren't going to improve?

- we simply will not go foward without improving these

2: How do we improve their skills?

- RULE 1 A: Unless the player is a freak do not ever recruit a player who isn't an A Grade kick.

3. Is it the coaches or the players responsibility?

- Both if they want to keep their jobs. Kicking doesn't improve the player will likely be moved on, if kicking doesn't improve team will fail and coach will go

4. Do the CFC do any sort of work on basic skills?

- Of course they do