Quicky's list, draft and trade talk thread

[Quicky]

What do the 5 B's stand for??

But yeah I just think he'd be a good fit for us. I don't really care about his off-field stuff. Always respected him as a player and think he could make the difference for us. Could provide the forward structure Rocca used to for us.

i actually missed out a b quick...so the 6 b's are big bad bustling beagle boy barry hall.

...not sure where beagle boy bit came from.....me and the old man have been saying it for years. haha[/quote]

And I was guessing Big Bad Bustling Bristling Barry Hall or something like that

Beagle Boy eh, thats an interesting addition lol

 

[Quicky]

I thought i'd have a go at putting up some vids of guys we may be interested in in this years draft. I've never done this before so I hope it doesn't stuff up.

And it didn't

These guys are all KP/ruck type prospects.


Jake Carlisle:

[YOUTUBE]8OKDb_RRrWk[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Quicky]

Nathan Vardy:

[YOUTUBE]8I7w1FeqNis[/YOUTUBE]

Jack Fitpatrick:

[YOUTUBE]n5PBY514VsE[/YOUTUBE]

Daniel Talia:

[YOUTUBE]Xv8PN_msTcw[/YOUTUBE]

 

[swamp13]

great research Quicky, out of those four video's id take Talia Hands down, great in defence, backs himself, reads the play brilliantly.

If we go for barry Hall im gonna be pissed, give Jack Anthony a few more years, he's still young and will probably bulk up in the coming seasons. Travis Cloke has got the potential to be a superstar, when Buckley comes in, get Him to teach Cloke how to kick, and stop being lazy. the one player who scare's me on our list when he gets a game is Cox, i dont know why, but i just don't have any confidence in him. second guess's himself to much.

other than that, with the iminiate return of the great one, i have a feeling that something special is on the horizan for the pies, with our current list.

 

[Quicky]

great research Quicky, out of those four video's id take Talia Hands down, great in defence, backs himself, reads the play brilliantly.

If we go for barry Hall im gonna be pissed, give Jack Anthony a few more years, he's still young and will probably bulk up in the coming seasons. Travis Cloke has got the potential to be a superstar, when Buckley comes in, get Him to teach Cloke how to kick, and stop being lazy. the one player who scare's me on our list when he gets a game is Cox, i dont know why, but i just don't have any confidence in him. second guess's himself to much.

other than that, with the iminiate return of the great one, i have a feeling that something special is on the horizan for the pies, with our current list.

I'd JIMP if we got Talia. Theres no coincidence he is the least likely of those guys to be available at our pick. I'd be shocked if he slipped out of the top ten tbh. But yeah exactly the sort of player we need.

On Cloke he worries me. I just can't see his kicking improving. And if it doesn't I just don't see him being a truly dominant forward. Still he is immensely important to our team. I'd love us to find another tall to take the pressure off him - and allow him to play HFF. I hope you're right though, if he comes good and starts imposing himself on games that would be beyond massive for our team.

 

[ChipDouglas]

Talia has a nasty hammy injury so he could drift down the order a bit ala Trengove last year. I rate him highly, certainly well ahead of Panos and Fitzpatrick and anyone who thinks we might be taking those two in the first round needs their head examined.

 

[Quicky]

Talia has a nasty hammy injury so he could drift down the order a bit ala Trengove last year. I rate him highly, certainly well ahead of Panos and Fitzpatrick and anyone who thinks we might be taking those two in the first round needs their head examined.

Well that could work out very well for us if it happened. Given the strength of the draft I think clubs will be more likely to take the risk on a player like Talia. Trengove was one of the biggest sliders last year largely becaue of the strength of the draft - I think in another year someone would have taken the punt on his injuries and he'd have gone earlier.

Agree on Fitzpatrick - havn't really liked what i've seen/read about him at all. It's a big negative for me to have a player that size useless as an overhead mark - and he seems the sort of guy that will have trouble filling out.

I havn't seen enough of Panos to really comment just yet although he is highly rated this year - most people have him going before our pick.

Heres a vid of him for anyone interested -

Matthew Panos:

[YOUTUBE]3QcpnWTWMS8[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Teak_Pies]

Daniel Talia looks the likely type

 

[Hazen]

Im curious as to your guys thoughts on Goldsack.

Suprised he was dropped this week, and has been unable to hold down a permanent position this season.
Would you guys move him on? What would he cost?

Reckon he would fit in at EFC off a wing/hbf(like McPhee but better!), quite quick and his disposal seems ok.

 

[Quicky]

Im curious as to your guys thoughts on Goldsack.

Suprised he was dropped this week, and has been unable to hold down a permanent position this season.
Would you guys move him on? What would he cost?

Reckon he would fit in at EFC off a wing/hbf(like McPhee but better!), quite quick and his disposal seems ok.

Unlikely given one of our list deficiencies is tall defenders. He is highly rated by the club and Malthouse. He adds important flexibility to our backline as he can match up on some of the oppos fast leading tall and mid sized forwards. The fact the Saints really don't have any of these (outside Goddard) is why he isn't in the side this week. He isn't really a winger or rebounding defender so not sure why you would want him as one. As for price - given the strength of this years draft - he wouldn't be going anywhere for anything less than a second round draft pick or a good player that fills a need on our list. In other words it would be very unlikely he'd be going anywhere you'd think.

 

[Hazen]

He isn't really a winger or rebounding defender so not sure why you would want him as one.

As much as i hate it, i see alot of Collingwood and i like the look of him!

I think that rebounding back-tall running wing would really suit him, cross between Goodes-Griffen-Richo.
He's not huge in build, but does have a great tank on him.

Whilst i don't think you would move him on, i do think he would be in alot of other clubs best 22.

 

[Hazen]

Stocks were raised a bit last night IMO.

 

[Snoop Dog]

certainly well ahead of Panos and Fitzpatrick and anyone who thinks we might be taking those two in the first round needs their head examined.

Book me in Chip.....

 

[Quicky]

Well with only 4 teams left in the 2009 AFL season all the other clubs are focussing on the upcoming trade periods.

Alot of the experts are tipping this to be one of the more active trade and draft periods in recent times.

The latest big news being Shaun Burgoyne walking out on Port Adelaide. We are one of four teams linked to him but given our draft picks i'd say we are in the worst position to lure him. However there is no doubt he would improve our team immensely and I think we should definitely chase him - although I wouldn't sell the farm to get him.

Josh Gibson walking out on North is another interesting one. He has nominated Hawthorn as his destination of choice - but perhaps we should have a nibble too and see what he is worth. We could use another KPD with his sort of versatility. The intersting side effect of his defection may be that guys like Maguire become more attainable and at a cheaper price - there is another option for us to have a careful look at.

Other established players that may be interesting to us are Tuck, Harris and Seaby. All these guys are late draft pick material and may be the sort of cheap pick ups that could really improve our list. Harris and Tuck could add a bit of experience and hardness to a midfield that lacks a bit of both. I'm not convinced they are the sort of guys we should pick up - given they will deny valueable playing experience to one of our young mids - but they are certainly worth a thought, if only as a stop gap measure. Seaby could really add something to our ruck division and with Fraser looking more and more injury prone he may be worth looking at also.

I think the other thing that may be a very good idea for us this trade period would be to try and upgrade our first and second round picks to try and snare a quality Key Position Forward. Perhaps offering up a player such as Dawes would be a way to do this.

 

[Quicky]

Here is another KPP that we might be interested in. He is listed at 198cm and 99kg so you would imagine has the physical maturity to play AFL footy. The question mark is that he is injury prone (not sure about the nature of his injuries) but besides that seems the complete package - good contested mark, versatile, agile, good kick. He a second round type pick mainly due to his injury history - reminds me of a Hine type pick, Dawes springs to mind here.

Ben Griffiths:

[YOUTUBE]0e1r_qYKNJg[/YOUTUBE]

 

[zorbadunde]

yeah grifiths does remind me of a hine type pick. but should we be looking for midfielders with our first pick or a kpp forward?

 

[Quicky]

Book me in Chip.....

Hey Snoop do you think Panos's height will stop him from being a really dominant forward at AFL level?? I think he is listed at 192cms. I think he may be a bit taller than his listed height - he just looks bigger than that.

For anyone interested in footage of Panos here you go:

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Thats just a small sample of his vids too.

 

[Quicky]

yeah grifiths does remind me of a hine type pick. but should we be looking for midfielders with our first pick or a kpp forward?

I think we should be looking at KPP. We have a pretty good group of young mids with Pendles, Thomas, Beams, Sidebottom, Wellingham, McCarthy and Blair. Considering Rocca will retire this year and Presti is at the end of his career we will need to replace them on the list and given the compromised drafts this may be the last opportunity to get someone decent for a few years.

What complicates this is that this years draft is pretty shallow - particularly in the KP area (supposedly anyway). I can see us going best available if we aren't happy with the KPP available at our pick.

Thats why players like Griffiths are interesting because they are likely to slide a bit - we might be able to get a good KPP with our 2nd rounder and use our first on something else.

There are some more vids on KP prospects on some of the previous pages if anyone is interested. I'll try and post some footage of likely mids at some point this week.

 

[mattys123]

Panos looks the goods, I wonder how high he is rated, as we are now certain to have a very late first round pick.

As for his height, he is bigger then Brendan Fevola, who is listed as 191cm.

 

[Quicky]

Panos looks the goods, I wonder how high he is rated, as we are now certain to have a very late first round pick.

As for his height, he is bigger then Brendan Fevola, who is listed as 191cm.

Are you serious 191cm?? learn something new everyday.

Most draft pundits have Panos going top 10 easily so very much doubt we would be in contention.

Thats where upgrading a first rounder may come in handy - but i'm not sure if any clubs would bite.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Personally I think we need one of three things (although all three would be nice):

either

a) A Rucman in the vein of Sandilands
b) Gun midfielder, TRUE gun midfielder like Judd but obviously someone THAT good is hard to find. Burgoyne is a tasty option though
c) Gun CHF or FF.

If we can get ONE of those 3, we'll win a flag.

Imagine how much better we'd be with Sandilands in our side.

 

[Quicky]

Personally I think we need one of three things (although all three would be nice):

either

a) A Rucman in the vein of Sandilands
b) Gun midfielder, TRUE gun midfielder like Judd but obviously someone THAT good is hard to find. Burgoyne is a tasty option though
c) Gun CHF or FF.

If we can get ONE of those 3, we'll win a flag.

Imagine how much better we'd be with Sandilands in our side.

Reverse that ABC and I think it would be closer to the mark.

I think you are underestimating how hard it is to get deals done for good players these days. Very few big deals get done anymore - and this year we don't have the currency to make them happen easily, our picks are just too low.

Freo would never let go of Sandilands he is a franchise type player.

We would also be hard pressed to beat the other sides after Burgoyne for his signiture and even then to satisfy Port in a trade.

Our biggest need is a KPF to help support Anthony - because it is highly unlikely we can trade for one it means we really need to keep our first round pick. The only thing that may change this is if we don't rate the KPP at our pick in which case we may try to upgrade our pick, use it on another type of draftee, or use it in a deal to get someone of the calibre of Burgoyne but even then we would need to throw a player their way.

I think we would be better off keeping our pick and targetting a Vardy, Griffiths or Carlisle in the draft.

 

[Zahki]

c) Gun CHF or FF.

Best option I think. I think we have enough talent in our midfield. Anthony is getting outnumbered and overwhelmed in the forward line, having another dangerous forward might help.

 

[pants forever]

Best option I think. I think we have enough talent in our midfield. Anthony is getting outnumbered and overwhelmed in the forward line, having another dangerous forward might help.

After watching this final series the real area of concern is that high forward who floats in and out of the forward line. Anthony needs to be option 2 going forward, still kicking 50 goals a year, but a stronger body -pack breaking, hard running power forward is what we lack.

The other area of concern is deliveru into forward 50. A hard running, ball carrying elite midfielder is what we really lack. When the presures on, someone who runs through the lines, breaks it with pace but also wins their own footy.

Down back we look ok. Nathan Brown is the Key back to develop and I wouldn't be surprised if Jack Anthony becomes that full back option we keep talking about. Reid or Dawes then takes over that role forward.

 

[danielnajdek]

Panos looks like a good prospect his pretty big for his age and is a straight kick. We definitely need to go after a KPP and I think he would fit perfectly I just hope we don't give away our first round it would be stupid.