Preview R12: Changes v Wet Toast @ AO

[1970crow]

Not everyone rehabs the same way. Some take it super seriously do everything asked of them and more; and others… don’t

This is a common theme in American football when trying to project how someone might recover from serious injury: there’s more than just time involved

I don’t know anything about Milera’s rehabbing, or his attitude and approach to it, but I can see he’s come back looking a lot ‘heavier’ and slower.

I wouldn’t expect someone who had gone all out to look like he does. And then there is the inexplicably off the pace form issue

Maybe it’s just a confidence thing, but there are a few worrying markers surrounding his drop off

less worrying than either of his selections by our coaching group.

 

[rabidcrow]

You have to play Tex. He is still smashing it.

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Would he have done any better than Fog yesterday? Would love to see us rest Tex again this week and give Fog the keys again at home. A couple of decent games in a row may see a real confidence boost for him


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[rabidcrow]

oh wow. Ok that makes no sense to me at all. I was convinced we had the bye this week. I was told that was the reason we rested Rachele against Geelong so he could have two weeks off.
Why the hell did we play him against St Kilda then? Could have rested him that week. So bizarre and stupid.

ok so yeh, ignore everything I said.

He got a corkie against the Saints and was subbed off? That’s why the rest this week. Would expect him to miss this week and get a clean 3 week break


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[Sanders]

less worrying than either of his selections by our coaching group.

See, I wonder if it’s borne of frustration with him?

He’s a senior player, getting paid, and they’re frustrated with his lack of progress or work ethic. Dropping him in the deep end to sink or swim, trying to shake him out of a malaise

Now, I don’t know. It’s no more than a theory, pure speculation, but something just doesn’t add up

 

[skittlebrew]

It's time to give McHenry a run on the ball. Is he in Year 4? He can't be putting in any more effort than he does. Trying to impact the game from a permanent small forward's role is difficult as we've seen with multiple midfielders previously. Similarly Murphy is a stoppage midfielder or nothing. Complete waste playing him up forward. Those guys need centre square time. If there's not room for Murphy in the centre square rotations then he doesn't play.

Effort is irrelevant if the output is trash. Berry, Pedlar, Rachele, Sog all light years ahead of Ned in the midfield pecking order. I would be livid if Ned gets midfield time ahead of those guys and stunts their development. How many free passes do Ned and Jones have to get without any consequence, they're the beneficiary of a developing team without depth.

Can be smart all you want but you’d think if we are to move forward Murphy and McHenry aren’t even on our list in 3 years time.

Exactly

 

[Crow till I die]

How was Parnell in the SANFL?

He has been good. Neat and tidy and a good kick

 

[Frothiewalker]

The point is we can only work with what we have this year before we go to the draft and or trade table. So not trying guys we drafted as midfielders is dumb, give them a try, if they are worse than the crap we’ve already got in there, who cares, our midfield is still shit.

Fair shout mate

 

[ams4crows]

Will we learn from our mistakes last season and play two key backs against West coast?

I have zero confidence of beating west coast even after they got belted by 101 points.

No doubt Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, Shuey and Gaff will have their best game for the year and Darling and Kennedy will kick bags of goals we need at least 13 goals to win and I have no idea who's gonna kick them?

 

[Slippery Pete]

See, I wonder if it’s borne of frustration with him?

He’s a senior player, getting paid, and they’re frustrated with his lack of progress or work ethic. Dropping him in the deep end to sink or swim, trying to shake him out of a malaise

Now, I don’t know. It’s no more than a theory, pure speculation, but something just doesn’t add up

I remember when he made his debut — pretty sure it was really early in the 2016 season. And he just pulled some moves that made you go “wow, he’s got something special.”

Hard to believe that was more than SIX years ago, and we’re still having the conversation about whether he can play.

To put this in perspective, how many players made their debut for us in 1996, and we were still discussing their bonafides in 2002?

Maybe there was one, I can’t think of any though.

I don’t even know what my point is here.

Probably that he’ll end up playing for Geelong and kick three goals against us.

 

[1970crow]

See, I wonder if it’s borne of frustration with him?

He’s a senior player, getting paid, and they’re frustrated with his lack of progress or work ethic. Dropping him in the deep end to sink or swim, trying to shake him out of a malaise

Now, I don’t know. It’s no more than a theory, pure speculation, but something just doesn’t add up

We just have a totally shit selection philosophy. We lost Tex so we went as experienced as possible to replace his games played tally. It’s why Brown’s name is inked on the team sheet regardless of how bad he’s going. It’s not a performance first philosophy, they apply more value to intangibles.

 

[1970crow]

Effort is irrelevant if the output is trash. Berry, Pedlar, Rachele, Sog all light years ahead of Ned in the midfield pecking order. I would be livid if Ned gets midfield time ahead of those guys and stunts their development. How many free passes do Ned and Jones have to get without any consequence, they're the beneficiary of a developing team without depth.



Exactly

Ned doesn’t get CBAs but he does get done near stoppage time around the ground and looks pretty good at times. Bit like Murphy, the issue isn’t giving these types some minutes, it’s that we play 3 pure mids that can’t play anywhere else. Laird, Keays and Crouch wouldn’t get those numbers in any other side as they wouldn’t be playing 100% of their TOG in the stat rich stoppage rotation.

But that’s how our club values performance, they don’t delve much further than the AFL.com stats page.

 

[1970crow]

Will we learn from our mistakes last season and play two key backs against West coast?

I have zero confidence of beating west coast even after they got belted by 101 points.

No doubt Tim Kelly, Shuey and Gaff will have their best game for the year and Darling and Kennedy will kick bags of goals we need at least 13 goals to win and I have no idea who's gonna kick them?

Surely we can’t lose, but you’re right if the assertion is that there’s a risk. There’s a clear way to beat us especially if you’re prepared to run hard and direct after winning possession in our forward half. Combined with a team that senses an opportunity to win and a team that probably expects to win and a major upset is a definite possibility.

But by gum it’ll require a huge turnaround, we’ve been playing well enough across most parts of the ground of late.

 

[CrowFrenzy]

Out:

Brown - A really good career and a favorite but in a club where the rebuild is as deep as ours we need his position to develop younger players. I would move
Milera to half back, his preferred position. Unless Miera has a horrendous game I would then leave him in this position for the last half of the year.

Rowe and Murphy

Butts

In:

Shoenberg

Newchurch

Cook

McAsey or Borlace - need to at least lave a look before we move them on.

 

[Mego Red]

See, I wonder if it’s borne of frustration with him?

He’s a senior player, getting paid, and they’re frustrated with his lack of progress or work ethic. Dropping him in the deep end to sink or swim, trying to shake him out of a malaise

Now, I don’t know. It’s no more than a theory, pure speculation, but something just doesn’t add up

Maybe.

It could also be as simple as the fact he had two full years out of the game. That's a massive absence.

That's my hope - that it's just a long time away and it will take some time to get back.

 

[DJ75]

He got a corkie against the Saints and was subbed off? That’s why the rest this week. Would expect him to miss this week and get a clean 3 week break


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Nope. There was more to it. He had scans the week of the St Kilda game. He was clearly struggling but they decided to play him and give him the Geelong game off. That had been predetermined before ‘corky’.
Just so stupid to play him against Saints when he was clearly struggling

 

[CrowFrenzy]

Maybe.

It could also be as simple as the fact he had two full years out of the game. That's a massive absence.

That's my hope - that it's just a long time away and it will take some time to get back.

At least give him the best possible chance and play him at half back. He always struggled at half forward as many players do.

 

[1970crow]

Out:

Brown - A really good career and a favorite but in a club where the rebuild is as deep as ours we need his position to develop younger players. I would move
Milera to half back, his preferred position. Unless Miera has a horrendous game I would then leave him in this position for the last half of the year.

Rowe and Murphy

Butts

In:

Shoenberg

Newchurch

Cook

McAsey or Borlace - need to at least lave a look before we move them on.

With you on Brown, but Milera needs to go until he’s physically up to it. If your view is that Jones is done then we look at anyone else but Milera for now.

 

[Mego Red]

Out:

Brown - A really good career and a favorite but in a club where the rebuild is as deep as ours we need his position to develop younger players. I would move
Milera to half back, his preferred position. Unless Miera has a horrendous game I would then leave him in this position for the last half of the year.

Rowe and Murphy

Butts

In:

Shoenberg

Newchurch

Cook

McAsey or Borlace - need to at least lave a look before we move them on.

Schoenberg hasn't offered anything yet at the SANFL.

Sholl was very good - you'd think he'd be first back.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Would he have done any better than Fog yesterday? Would love to see us rest Tex again this week and give Fog the keys again at home. A couple of decent games in a row may see a real confidence boost for him


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This theory doesn’t really make any sense

Fog played v well but if he is to have a career he’s going to have to play next to other tall forwards that will also hopefully be good players

If fog plays like he did yesterday with tex back he will still play well , it’s all about what he did out there not who else was out there

 

[1970crow]

Maybe.

It could also be as simple as the fact he had two full years out of the game. That's a massive absence.

That's my hope - that it's just a long time away and it will take some time to get back.

And that’s exactly what the SANFL is for. You know, the ‘selection integrity’ bullshit that you lapped up like it was chocolate.

 

[1970crow]

This theory doesn’t really make any sense

Fog played v well but if he is to have a career he’s going to have to play next to other tall forwards that will also hopefully be good players

If fog plays like he did yesterday with tex back he will still play well , it’s all about what he did out there not who else was out there

Nah, that’s simplistic rubbish and ignores the amount of ball directed to where Tex is. You’re basically saying that two Wayne Careys would have just duplicated his career. You’re smarter than that.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Excluding all considerations around current form and short term injuries, this is the side I think we should be playing right now

B Doedee - Butts - Jones
HB Hamill - Murray - Smith
C Dawson - Hately - Soligo
HF Cook - Thilthorpe - Pedlar
F Rachele - Walker - McAdam
R O'Brien - Laird - Keays

I Schoenberg - Berry - Hinge - Fogarty/Gollant
S Sholl

E Taylor - Gollant/Fogarty - McHenry - Milera

I think this is the team that puts the most talent we have on the park at the same time. We should be aiming to assemble this side as quickly as possible and play them a lot


Which means the changes should be

Out: Brown, Crouch, Milera, Rowe, McHenry, Murphy
In: Jones, Schoenberg, Pedlar, Walker, Cook, Rachele

Of course this would never happen

I just don’t understand what people have against Rowe.

He’s one of two players in the whole team that can actually hit a target.

 

[Scorpus]

I just don’t understand what people have against Rowe.

He’s one of two players in the whole team that can actually hit a target.

He's a small, slow forward that doesn't kick goals and applies little pressure

 

[jackster83]

Forget the two years out of the game, Milera was never the same after his AC joint injury in 2019. His attack on the ball dropped off noticeably for the rest of that season and he has never regained it. He makes Sholl look like Sloane in comparison. Following the foot and knee injuries, he's lost his main weapon which was his agility, and you are left with a player that is not AFL standard.

 

[1970crow]

I just don’t understand what people have against Rowe.

He’s one of two players in the whole team that can actually hit a target.

He’s another that should benefit from pissing Crouch off altogether and also reducing midfield minutes of both Keays and Laird. He, among others, should be getting a squirt in the mid rotations here and there.