Preview R23: Changes vs. Collingwood

[NSolis]

Collingwood playing their "best 22" is good for us because they have lots of out of form players right now.

What we don't want is excited, in form youth to come in and rejuvenate the team

Do they have much of that? Most Collingwood supporters seem to feel like they are all in on a flag this year with not much sitting behind it. Obviously they have a great squad but they haven’t exactly been hitting the draft.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Collingwood playing their "best 22" is good for us because they have lots of out of form players right now.

What we don't want is excited, in form youth to come in and rejuvenate the team

They don’t really have good youth

Outside of Nick Daicos

 

[Scorpus]

Do they have much of that? Most Collingwood supporters seem to feel like they are all in on a flag this year with not much sitting behind it. Obviously they have a great squad but they haven’t exactly been hitting the draft.

Not necessarily super talented players, but I'm sure they have guys desperate to make the firsts to win a flag.

Eg. Us with Dowling

 

[Scorpus]

They don’t really have good youth

Outside of Nick Daicos

Would you rather they play a half injured out of form De Goey and the slow Tom Mitchell, or guys like Ed Allan?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You obviously didnt see Rachele's form early in the year.

Rachele equivalent of Hill.

Howe is more important to their backline structure than Max.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yeh, I guess. Just pessimistic given we simply do not know how to beat Collingwood. The record is disgusting.

That i won't argue.

More about mindset than personnel!

 

[Betts are off]

ANB has gone to another level in Rash's absence which is exactly what we got him for. He's been massive

Except last weekend, I barely remember seeing ANB against the Eagles.

Gonna want to him to put that game behind him and get back to that form

 

[Betts are off]

Rachele equivalent of Hill.

Howe is more important to their backline structure than Max.

I agree regarding the importance of Howe. Without Howe, Darcy Moore looks exceptionally wobbly on the last line.

 

[Mutineer]

You're surely not arguing Bobby Hill is more important than Howe...... surely.

Where did I say that, my comment was on Bobby Hill who on his day is one of the premier small forwards in the game, they don't hand out Norm Smith's to just anyone, he performed to an elite level on the most important stage...the Grand Final.

 

[Cromulant]

Where did I say that, my comment was on Bobby Hill who on his day is one of the premier small forwards in the game, they don't hand out Norm Smith's to just anyone, he performed to an elite level on the most important stage...the Grand Final.

And very rarely since.

 

[AFC979810]

Rachele equivalent of Hill.

Howe is more important to their backline structure than Max.

Rachele far superior to Hill.

If we played Collingwood in a final and you got to choose whether Rachele, Max, Laird, Hill and Howe got to play for their respective teams what would you chose. I would chose them all playing.

 

[Cleric]

You just know the Pies will bounce back this weekend.

 

[Cromulant]

You just know the Pies will bounce back this weekend.

Theyve been saying that for a month.

 

[AFC979810]

Where did I say that, my comment was on Bobby Hill who on his day is one of the premier small forwards in the game, they don't hand out Norm Smith's to just anyone, he performed to an elite level on the most important stage...the Grand Final.

And Mark McGough won the Anzac Medal. Hill played amazingly well that day, but let's not act like he is a premier small forward of the competition.

Bobby Hill has kicked 3 goals in his last 4 games against us and has averaged 8 possessions. He has been a total non factor.

 

[Cleric]

Theyve been saying that for a month.

Every game they lose means they are closer to a win. They have no fear with coming here, and they always seem to beat us when they shouldn't.
We have three bogey teams, Collingwood, Geelong and Hawthorn.

They will bounce back and the pressure on them now to make finals is massive. This is the week they have to win.

 

[Betts are off]

You just know the Pies will bounce back this weekend.

I agree, they're going to take it too us. But I still think we should get this one.

I genuinely believe that scare against the Eagles was perfectly timed, and the big wake up call this list needed. Form/ladder position/hoodoo's/homefield/away. Its all meaningless if you don't come out switched on and 100% ready to play every game. 5% off, and the game gets away from you in a hurry.

I doubt they will make that mistake twice.

 

[Mutineer]

Year	Player	Club
2024	Will Ashcroft	Brisbane Lions
2023	Bobby Hill	Collingwood
2022	Isaac Smith	Geelong
2021	Christian Petracca	Melbourne
2020	Dustin Martin	Richmond
2019	Dustin Martin	Richmond
2018	Luke Shuey	West Coast Eagles
2017	Dustin Martin	Richmond
2016	Jason Johannisen	Western Bulldogs
2015	Cyril Rioli	Hawthorn
2014	Luke Hodge	Hawthorn
2013	Brian Lake	Hawthorn
2012	Ryan O'Keefe	Sydney Swans
2011	Jimmy Bartel	Geelong Cats
2010 (replay)	Scott Pendlebury	Collingwood
2010	Lenny Hayes	St Kilda
2009	Paul Chapman	Geelong Cats
2008	Luke Hodge	Hawthorn
2007	Steve Johnson	Geelong Cats
2006	Andrew Embley	West Coast Eagles
2005	Chris Judd	West Coast Eagles
2004	Byron Pickett	Port Adelaide
2003	Simon Black	Brisbane Lions
2002	Nathan Buckley	Collingwood
2001	Shaun Hart	Brisbane Lions
2000	James Hird	Essendon
1999	Shannon Grant	North Melbourne
1998	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide
1997	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide
1996	Glenn Archer	North Melbourne
1995	Greg Williams	Carlton
1994	Dean Kemp	West Coast Eagles
1993	Michael Long	Essendon
1992	Peter Matera	West Coast Eagles
1991	Paul Dear	Hawthorn
1990	Tony Shaw	Collingwood
1989	Gary Ablett	Geelong Cats
1988	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn
1987	David Rhys-Jones	Carlton
1986	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn
1985	Simon Madden	Essendon
1984	Billy Duckworth	Essendon
1983	Colin Robertson	Hawthorn
1982	Maurice Rioli	Richmond
1981	Bruce Doull	Carlton
1980	Kevin Bartlett	Richmond
1979	Wayne Harmes	Carlton

 

[Carn The Texan]

Collingwood playing their "best 22" is good for us because they have lots of out of form players right now.

What we don't want is excited, in form youth to come in and rejuvenate the team

Yep we want them to keep frampton in

 

[davos44]

I'd back the kid in TBH. I think he's shown he can make a offensive players day very tough in every game he's played, and by all reports has the tank and physicality to go with anyone.

Plus he doesn't really need to stop Daicos getting the ball, he needs to impact Daicos in getting his preferred 2:1 uncontested to contested ratio. Stop him from being a part of all those free chains of play that leads to Collingwoods scores. Thats where Daicos kills teams IMO.

Watching him run around like an unregistered dog against us has been a real source of frustration to me.

Absolutely, Bond brings a bit of hardness around contests in the backline but he might get lost in midfield contests against Daicos.

Their strength against us is winning contests at our HF line and moving the ball fast so our defence can't get set. Almost all their goals at the MCG game came from turnover + hack kick or 20M handball forward to space. I understand why we shut the game down that day but I'd like us to open them up with precision passing.

 

[1970crow]

Every game they lose means they are closer to a win. They have no fear with coming here, and they always seem to beat us when they shouldn't.
We have three bogey teams, Collingwood, Geelong and Hawthorn.

They will bounce back and the pressure on them now to make finals is massive. This is the week they have to win.

Every game they lose also means they're closer to their next loss.

 

[AFC979810]

Year	Player	Club
2024	Will Ashcroft	Brisbane Lions
2023	Bobby Hill	Collingwood
2022	Isaac Smith	Geelong
2021	Christian Petracca	Melbourne
2020	Dustin Martin	Richmond
2019	Dustin Martin	Richmond
2018	Luke Shuey	West Coast Eagles
2017	Dustin Martin	Richmond
2016	Jason Johannisen	Western Bulldogs
2015	Cyril Rioli	Hawthorn
2014	Luke Hodge	Hawthorn
2013	Brian Lake	Hawthorn
2012	Ryan O'Keefe	Sydney Swans
2011	Jimmy Bartel	Geelong Cats
2010 (replay)	Scott Pendlebury	Collingwood
2010	Lenny Hayes	St Kilda
2009	Paul Chapman	Geelong Cats
2008	Luke Hodge	Hawthorn
2007	Steve Johnson	Geelong Cats
2006	Andrew Embley	West Coast Eagles
2005	Chris Judd	West Coast Eagles
2004	Byron Pickett	Port Adelaide
2003	Simon Black	Brisbane Lions
2002	Nathan Buckley	Collingwood
2001	Shaun Hart	Brisbane Lions
2000	James Hird	Essendon
1999	Shannon Grant	North Melbourne
1998	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide
1997	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide
1996	Glenn Archer	North Melbourne
1995	Greg Williams	Carlton
1994	Dean Kemp	West Coast Eagles
1993	Michael Long	Essendon
1992	Peter Matera	West Coast Eagles
1991	Paul Dear	Hawthorn
1990	Tony Shaw	Collingwood
1989	Gary Ablett	Geelong Cats
1988	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn
1987	David Rhys-Jones	Carlton
1986	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn
1985	Simon Madden	Essendon
1984	Billy Duckworth	Essendon
1983	Colin Robertson	Hawthorn
1982	Maurice Rioli	Richmond
1981	Bruce Doull	Carlton
1980	Kevin Bartlett	Richmond
1979	Wayne Harmes	Carlton

You are a terrible poster.

 

[Betts are off]

Absolutely, Bond brings a bit of hardness around contests in the backline but he might get lost in midfield contests against Daicos.

Their strength against us is winning contests at our HF line and moving the ball fast so our defence can't get set. Almost all their goals at the MCG game came from turnover + hack kick or 20M handball forward to space. I understand why we shut the game down that day but I'd like us to open them up with precision passing.

All the more reason to give him a go for me. They gave him a go on Merrett in his 2nd game from memory, and he did alright in the first half, but got beaten in the 2nd (not a slant, Merrett is a Star).

But getting a guy who can stop a star outside skewed player is a valuable tool come finals. Which is why i've said before, once Bond gets his spot I doubt he gives it back.

 

[Betts are off]

Yep we want them to keep frampton in

Frampton vs Thilthorpe is a contest I would love to see as a Crows fan!

 

[Mutineer]

You are a terrible poster.

And you're a terrible poseur...

 

[skam85]

Except last weekend, I barely remember seeing ANB against the Eagles.

Gonna want to him to put that game behind him and get back to that form

Most of the team had off games last week to be fair