I thought it was the best of the three to be honest
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Certified Legendary Thread Race for the flag, in squiggly lines
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A premiership maybe...
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Mate, you think BTTF 3 was the best of the series so I'm not inclined to trust your judgement on anything. Some Geelong supporters really think a lot of themselves when they predict a GF win of 120+...
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You're forgetting that this guy that said that Geelong and GWS are clearly a level above every other team in the competition and that losses to Carlton and Collingwood don't matter because Geelong won't play those teams in the finals.
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That would be glorious.
Actually it would be funny if Adelaide win the flag this year considering Dangerfield left them only at the end of last year to return to Geelong. Regrets maybe on his part? It happened to Buckley when he left Brisbane (before their 3 flags) to go to Collingwood. I'm sure Dangerfield didn't leave Adelaide just to play in a premiership side, but you have to ask the question.
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A bigger deal out west.
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Thankfully Geelong 07 is much better then Geelong 16.
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Danger won't and doesn't regret leaving adelaide. He's where he wants to be. Any success we have in the coming years, if it happens, will be for us, not in spite of him.
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Is it possible/worthwhile doing a squiggle where the premiership cup position (of previous years) is shown at the point where the premier finished the H&A season rather than at the point where they won the flag? It seems to me that finals creates a situation in which the squiggle has the potential to move quite substantially which gives a warped view of how a team should be shaping up in the regular season.
For example, in 2011, Geelong's premiership cup winning position makes them look like they were head and shoulders above everyone throughout the season, when in reality, they were at times a fair way behind Collingwood and level pegging with Carlton, Hawks and WCE. They timed their run to play well in finals and the squiggle went nuts.
For me, in order to work out how close a team is to winning flag (and perhaps timing their run for finals), the premiers' position at the end of the H&A season would be helpful. Does that make sense? I don't know whether it will actually be helpful, but I'd be curious to know if any interesting info comes out of it.
(No worries if it's too difficult and you don't have the time
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Is it possible/worthwhile doing a squiggle where the premiership cup position (of previous years) is shown at the point where the premier finished the H&A season rather than at the point where they won the flag? It seems to me that finals creates a situation in which the squiggle has the potential to move quite substantially which gives a warped view of how a team should be shaping up in the regular season.
For example, in 2011, Geelong's premiership cup winning position makes them look like they were head and shoulders above everyone throughout the season, when in reality, they were at times a fair way behind Collingwood and level pegging with Carlton, Hawks and WCE. They timed their run to play well in finals and the squiggle went nuts.
For me, in order to work out how close a team is to winning flag (and perhaps timing their run for finals), the premiers' position at the end of the H&A season would be helpful. Does that make sense? I don't know whether it will actually be helpful, but I'd be curious to know if any interesting info comes out of it.
(No worries if it's too difficult and you don't have the time
)
Come on cut him some slackFinal Siren
Is it possible/worthwhile doing a squiggle where the premiership cup position (of previous years) is shown at the point where the premier finished the H&A season rather than at the point where they won the flag? It seems to me that finals creates a situation in which the squiggle has the potential to move quite substantially which gives a warped view of how a team should be shaping up in the regular season.
For example, in 2011, Geelong's premiership cup winning position makes them look like they were head and shoulders above everyone throughout the season, when in reality, they were at times a fair way behind Collingwood and level pegging with Carlton, Hawks and WCE. They timed their run to play well in finals and the squiggle went nuts.
For me, in order to work out how close a team is to winning flag (and perhaps timing their run for finals), the premiers' position at the end of the H&A season would be helpful. Does that make sense? I don't know whether it will actually be helpful, but I'd be curious to know if any interesting info comes out of it.
(No worries if it's too difficult and you don't have the time
Hes still working on the World War 2 squiggle
I have never commented on the carlton and pies losses so you are making that up.
Didn't geelong win their first 14 games in a row in 2011 putting them above collingwood for most of the first half of the season?Final Siren
Is it possible/worthwhile doing a squiggle where the premiership cup position (of previous years) is shown at the point where the premier finished the H&A season rather than at the point where they won the flag? It seems to me that finals creates a situation in which the squiggle has the potential to move quite substantially which gives a warped view of how a team should be shaping up in the regular season.
For example, in 2011, Geelong's premiership cup winning position makes them look like they were head and shoulders above everyone throughout the season, when in reality, they were at times a fair way behind Collingwood and level pegging with Carlton, Hawks and WCE. They timed their run to play well in finals and the squiggle went nuts.
For me, in order to work out how close a team is to winning flag (and perhaps timing their run for finals), the premiers' position at the end of the H&A season would be helpful. Does that make sense? I don't know whether it will actually be helpful, but I'd be curious to know if any interesting info comes out of it.
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Apologies, I think I may have conglomerated you and another Geelong poster together!
Not confident facing Geelong in finals. Not very confident at all.
However, those saying a Cats-Crows final would be a 20-goal demolition need to change their rose-coloured glasses prescriptions.
However, those saying a Cats-Crows final would be a 20-goal demolition need to change their rose-coloured glasses prescriptions.
Yes, but the results, patterns and trajectory in the final rounds can give a bit of insight. For example, by the end of the H&A season, Collingwood was in a stratosphere all by themselves, which would have given the impression that the flag was theirs. However, looking at their results and trajectory over the final three rounds (c.f. Geelong's), gives you an insight that they were actually struggling with form compared to earlier, and Geelong were on the rise.
I think what it tells us is that not just position on the squiggle is important, but the results, patterns and trajectory in the final few rounds is important insight into a team's finals prospects. So, while Team A might be below Team B on the squiggle at Rd23, their squiggle trajectory might reveal they are actually the form side.
Having a graph that shows the premiers position at the end of the H&A season as well as the end of the finals could give a picture of where previous premiers have tended to finish the H&A season.
As I said, it may be useless in the end, but some smart people might find it reveals some insights that they could use to predict more precisely?
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If it does become an Adelaide v Geelong grand final I will be sooooooooooooo cheering for the Crows and if they win it would be the best day since Hawthorn beat Sydney in 2014.
I'd like to see the Bulldogs beat Hawthorn in the grand final. Doesn't mean it's likely.
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Yeah it would be a good result for the Crows. Mind you Danger was all class about how he left.
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We were only 2 games behind Collingwood at worst.
Our 3 losses of the year were by 4,8 and 13 points.
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Shifting all the premiership cups to the end of the Home & Away season looks like this:Final Siren
Is it possible/worthwhile doing a squiggle where the premiership cup position (of previous years) is shown at the point where the premier finished the H&A season rather than at the point where they won the flag? It seems to me that finals creates a situation in which the squiggle has the potential to move quite substantially which gives a warped view of how a team should be shaping up in the regular season.
For example, in 2011, Geelong's premiership cup winning position makes them look like they were head and shoulders above everyone throughout the season, when in reality, they were at times a fair way behind Collingwood and level pegging with Carlton, Hawks and WCE. They timed their run to play well in finals and the squiggle went nuts.
For me, in order to work out how close a team is to winning flag (and perhaps timing their run for finals), the premiers' position at the end of the H&A season would be helpful. Does that make sense? I don't know whether it will actually be helpful, but I'd be curious to know if any interesting info comes out of it.
(No worries if it's too difficult and you don't have the time
This chart displays less information than usual, though, because it hides the difference between teams that maintained their form to win the flag vs those that mounted a charge in September. For example, you can't think that just because your team is near Hawthorn 2008 here, it's on track for a flag, unless you also plan on a Hawthorn 2008-like finals surge.
The regular squiggle chart shows where premiers wind up, and so where your team probably needs to get to by the end of the year, one way or another.
They were also all after we had top four sown up and were effectively in finals preparation mode.
- Oct 6, 2012
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Loving the cockiness of Cats
1. Attack 75, defence 65
2. Attack 70, defence 70
Half of the premierships shown have launched from these two positions at the end of the minor round.
what really stands out are the two clusters of premiership cups, ie there seem to be two main launching pads:Shifting all the premiership cups to the end of the Home & Away season looks like this:
This chart displays less information than usual, though, because it hides the difference between teams that maintained their form to win the flag vs those that mounted a charge in September. For example, you can't think that just because your team is near Hawthorn 2008 here, it's on track for a flag, unless you also plan on a Hawthorn 2008-like finals surge.
The regular squiggle chart shows where premiers wind up, and so where your team probably needs to get to by the end of the year, one way or another.
1. Attack 75, defence 65
2. Attack 70, defence 70
Half of the premierships shown have launched from these two positions at the end of the minor round.
Are you referring to me when you talk about cocky Cats? I just asked a question that you go on to demonstrate was a worthwhile one by your comment about launching pads.
- Oct 6, 2012
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Nah, referring to Seeds who is peppering this thread with trash talk.Are you referring to me when you talk about cocky Cats? I just asked a question that you go on to demonstrate was a worthwhile one by your comment about launching pads.
Understand that and that's not what I was trying to say. I'm sure Adelaide are now just looking forward. Was just asking the question from Dangerfields point of view. That's all! Anyway good luck for the rest of the season and hope Adelaide go well.
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