Racist persons only thread

[Frodo]

It's hard to phrase questions correctly so as not to unleash a hail of abuse at the poster when race is involved but I seriously have to ask the question 'Do we want immigrants in Australia who have a religion that sporns radical elements that do not hold life sacred?'
I wondered this when a Sydney girl was gang r*ped by muslims and now with the USA tragedy I wonder again.

Will the immigration of Islamics eventually lead to bombings and disasters in Australia?

 

[Same Old's]

For example what about if a Christian migrates to Australian but then a few years later converts to Islam.

What then? Kick them out?

 

[Santos L Helper]

When christians came to Australia they r*ped and systematically attempted to wipe out an entire race........I say ban all christians.

It's stupid to tar all people with the same brush, but I wasn't expecting anything else when I came to this thread.

 

[DEES RULE!]

Do you know why America was attacked? because they are against terrorist attacks, and some idiot thought that because leaders of a nation make decisions, the rest of the country must suffer.
The generalisation is perhaps the biggest killer; you can't discriminate a nation of people because of one act or a group of people.

 

[QT]

There are muslims in this country at the moment.....Where are all the terrorist acts??

 

[aggels]

Some of the best people I've known have been muslims. It's not the muslim religion that's dangerous, it's the governments, and the extremists.

 

[Stegelator]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
When christians came to Australia they r*ped and systematically attempted to wipe out an entire race........I say ban all christians.

It's stupid to tar all people with the same brush, but I wasn't expecting anything else when I came to this thread.

they weren't Christians!!! they say they were! Christians don't do that! i am a christian myself and there are people who call themselves christians but anyone who does that is not!

 

[Satay Mat]

Frodo

at least you had the balls to say you were racist. A lot of comments today have been.

I podted this elsewhere but thought I would paste it here as well.


----------------------------------------------------(in reply to another post)

You may not think you are a racist but what you wrote is racist IMHO.....

Racism 101.....

Satay Mat's top world wide killers......

1. Pol Pot
2. Stalin
3. Hitler
4. Rothmans
5. Napoleon
6. King Charles I of Spain
7. Wiedo's in Rwanda
8. The Crusades
9. Communist Party in China

What do all of these have in common ?

1. Killing millions of innocent people
2. none of them are Muslim (most would claim to be atheist or Christian.

When we talk about Hitler we talk of him being a madman, evil, Satan. We do not talk of him as a Christian. You do not say that Charles I was a murdering Catholic. Why ? Because they are like us, and drawing generalisations across the world of Christianity would be including most of us.....and even if you leave out religion, in many cases they look like us, and share a similar cultural history so the same would apply.

What is the distinguishing feature of Bin Laden (if he did it). Well ? It is that he is a Muslim. What innevitabley happens as you did yourself is to make a generalization (you can aford to because in all liklihood they are different to you) and go from there.

Racism is not about discriminating against people in the workplace or complaiing about the neighbours. At a basic level it is about assuming traits in an individual based on race, religion, gender etc without actually knowing them at all.

What you said was racist....it was by no means the worst thing said on this board today btw, but racist nonetheless.

Before you have a go, I am not really criticizing you, I think most Australians would feel the same way (perhaps even myself ?)....but simply by saying "I am not a racist" actually does not make it so....whether you (we) are racist will be determined by others not ourselves.

Satay Mat

p.s. Frodo......I think what you are suggesting is abhorent and flys against everything which has made Australia great. You do not get a harmonious society by closing the doors, you get a harmonious society by being inclusive and learning from others. Locking people out is no solution and IMHO the more Muslims we have in Australia the better.....it provides a better opportunity to understand each other better which will avoid this sort of crap in the future.

 

[bunsen burner]

They might be Christains, but they didn't kill for the Christian cause.

The less and less popular religion becomes, the better.

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Frodo
I seriously have to ask the question 'Do we want immigrants in Australia who have a religion that sporns radical elements that do not hold life sacred?'

Please note that I am putting forward a question that I am pondering myself. I have answered neither yes or no to the question because there is merit on both sides.
Every reply on this thread is a yes but the poll has as many no's as yes's. This IMO means that the threat of racist taunts have stopped people from putting their thoughts forward although they will post to a poll anonomously. This is a sad state for our democratic society and seen too often by far. It bears out the facts that many people vote for Pauline hanson but few dare to speak out for her policies for fear of retribution.

What I can say is that I care for Australia and what becomes of Australia and what the future holds for our children in Australia. Whether Christian soldiers killed aboriginals or aboriginal cannibals ate Christians is irrelevant to our future. A multicultural society based upon care and kindness is a fabulous goal but I ask myself whether it is practical. England is strewn with racial hatred, riots etc. I'm sure they have tried for utopia but it has failed. Yes, tarring all with one brush is wrong although generalising is purely a human reaction and natural.

It is not a simple question that I have posed and I still can't decide one way or the other, but at least I am happy to have not been afraid to pose it!

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by Satay Mat
Frodo

at least you had the balls to say you were racist. A lot of comments today have been.

I podted this elsewhere but thought I would paste it here as well.


----------------------------------------------------(in reply to another post)

You may not think you are a racist but what you wrote is racist IMHO.....

Racism 101.....

Satay Mat's top world wide killers......

1. Pol Pot
2. Stalin
3. Hitler
4. Rothmans
5. Napoleon
6. King Charles I of Spain
7. Wiedo's in Rwanda
8. The Crusades
9. Communist Party in China

What do all of these have in common ?

1. Killing millions of innocent people
2. none of them are Muslim (most would claim to be atheist or Christian.

When we talk about Hitler we talk of him being a madman, evil, Satan. We do not talk of him as a Christian. You do not say that Charles I was a murdering Catholic. Why ? Because they are like us, and drawing generalisations across the world of Christianity would be including most of us.....and even if you leave out religion, in many cases they look like us, and share a similar cultural history so the same would apply.

What is the distinguishing feature of Bin Laden (if he did it). Well ? It is that he is a Muslim. What innevitabley happens as you did yourself is to make a generalization (you can aford to because in all liklihood they are different to you) and go from there.

Racism is not about discriminating against people in the workplace or complaiing about the neighbours. At a basic level it is about assuming traits in an individual based on race, religion, gender etc without actually knowing them at all.

What you said was racist....it was by no means the worst thing said on this board today btw, but racist nonetheless.

Before you have a go, I am not really criticizing you, I think most Australians would feel the same way (perhaps even myself ?)....but simply by saying "I am not a racist" actually does not make it so....whether you (we) are racist will be determined by others not ourselves.

Satay Mat

p.s. Frodo......I think what you are suggesting is abhorent and flys against everything which has made Australia great. You do not get a harmonious society by closing the doors, you get a harmonious society by being inclusive and learning from others. Locking people out is no solution and IMHO the more Muslims we have in Australia the better.....it provides a better opportunity to understand each other better which will avoid this sort of crap in the future.

This is off topic for these racist ****s
but the greatist general killer of all time was actually Ghengus Khan.
He killed far more than those.

Frodo what nationality are you??

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Frodo

Please me provide with even one single example where an Arab or a Muslim has perpetrated one single act of terrorism whilst resident in Australia.

thanking you in anticipation

 

[TigerTank]

BSA,

The rape of two girls in Sydney allegedly because they were "Aussies" could constitute a form of terrorism.

I don't know for certain if the Lebanese people responsible were Christian or Muslim.

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

That is highly debateable TT.

I don't want to discuss whether pack rape is 'terrorism' as such, it is certainly terrifying for the victims.

But to call pack rape 'terrorism' is, er, well drawing a long bow shall we say ?

If it were a bunch of Aussie guys who pack r*ped those girls, would that be terrorism ?

Maybe, maybe not.

cheers

 

[Bee]

Originally posted by Frodo
Do we want immigrants in Australia who have a religion that sporns radical elements that do not hold life sacred?'

You mean like the Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland?
Surely not, afterall they are Christians.

 

[Boof458]

Frodo - the answer to the question is simple

Anyone who has to consider it has serious problems

fo course muslims should be allowed to come here.


Should we only allow blonde haired blue eyed aryans in to teh Country?

The fact that people could vote no disgusts me.

If Pauline Hanson supporter are afraid to admit they vote for her - then why is this the case?

There is no precendent in Australia for people to be bashed for who they vote for

Perhaps it is becaue theya are embarrassed to know their own weaknesses in needing to vote for such a person who offers no solutions only rhetoric.

 

[TigerTank]

Just a small correction-

Islam is not a race. It is a religion.

Discrimination against someone because they are Muslim is still discrimination, but technically it is NOT racism.

 

[Boof458]

Originally posted by TigerTank
Just a small correction-

Islam is not a race. It is a religion.

Discrimination against someone because they are Muslim is still discrimination, but technically it is NOT racism.

hmm very fine distinction which adds nothing to this argument

Clearly in the colloquial sense it is racism as muslims are seen by most to be of a middle eastern/ asian background

The discrimiation comes because they are not white anglo saxons with laws fundamentally based on christian principles.

 

[Kingy]

Bee makes a good point, it seems where you have religion you have fanatics from every group whether it be Catholics,proto's, Muslims, etc..you always have someone ready to pull the trigger...some extremist with a point to prove..not unlike some of the ferals on this site where football is their religion..hows it going joffa?
The Muslims are going to cop a lot of fallout from all this and some innocents will end up being hurt, although I didnt see it there were reports of middle eastern folk of some description dancing on the streets in Lakemba..this doesnt do the image of middel eastern people much good and only inflames the situation.
In america some arab shopowners were being smacked about just because they were arabs....we dont need that sort of hysteria happening in Oz. I think you have to be selective about migration and pick the best people rather than wholesale bans on
a certain race or ethnic group...kinda like drafting footy players,
maybe we could trade david calthorpe to the middle east...

Go Roos

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
Frodo

Please me provide with even one single example where an Arab or a Muslim has perpetrated one single act of terrorism whilst resident in Australia.

thanking you in anticipation

I am posing a question based upon what is best for the future of australia. I am not trying to justify any position on that question.
The question is of the future and based upon what has happened mainly in USA on Tuesday.

 

[Frodo]

Re: Re: Racist persons only thread

Originally posted by Bee

You mean like the Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland?
Surely not, afterall they are Christians.

Good point and the fact that the IRA blew up two pubs in Birmingham, killing many civilians shows that fanaticism by any religion is dangerous.

Non-the-less Islam is the only religion I know that advocates death for non believers and that in itself is an inherent threat.

Having said that I cannot see the Northern Ireland terrorists as Christians at all. The Bible says clearly 'Thou shalt not kill, and Forgive them their trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us'

 

[Bee]

Fair enough, Frodo.
I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it.
I am not getting into a debate about Northern Ireland, it's too close to home for me.

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

yes I understand that Frodo

But what I want to know is, why have you singled out Muslims ?

People of all races and religious and political persuasions come to live in Australia and its been like that since 1788.

What is the problem with this approach now ?

Inspite of problems with ethnically related crime, so-called ghettos and all the other problems we have, there have been little or no problems in this country with people who are racially and culturally very different from the Anglo-Saxon 'norm' come here and start terrorist activities or other extreme forms of political action.

I think Australia can still hold its head high in this regard. We reallyt are a haven of racial harmony in a sea of hate and predjuice. Sure, we DO have social problems associated with all of us living together in the same place, but as far as fearing for the future of this country because we allow alot of Middle Eastern people to live here, well, er, I think that is being a touch paranoid don't you ?

But it is an important point to raise, and thanks for asking the question.

Of course it all gets back to having a decent, sensible, well thought out general population policy that takes into account all factors - including the make-up of our immigration intake.

cheers

 

[Satay Mat]

Re: Re: Re: Racist persons only thread

Originally posted by Frodo


Good point and the fact that the IRA blew up two pubs in Birmingham, killing many civilians shows that fanaticism by any religion is dangerous.

Non-the-less Islam is the only religion I know that advocates death for non believers and that in itself is an inherent threat.

Having said that I cannot see the Northern Ireland terrorists as Christians at all. The Bible says clearly 'Thou shalt not kill, and Forgive them their trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us'

codswallop......


don't believe everything you read Frodo.....exactly where have you got your information on Islam from ? I live in a predominantly muslim country and as I write this I am surrounded by 3 of my muslim friends who are most interested !

The ignorance in "The West" of islam....and in fact all things non-Christian is generally appalling. The media is only interested in portraying fanatics dancingin the street, or people getting hands chopped off or whatever....you actually get no informaiton at all in Australia on what the religion is all about.

I am not a muslim (if pressed I suppose I would say I was Anglican), and indeed there is a lot of mis-information and one-side-edness here about religion and culture as well, but quoting popular sentiment does not make it fact.

Satay Mat

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
yes I understand that Frodo

But what I want to know is, why have you singled out Muslims ?

Purely because the USA tragedy was by muslims and many others such as Pan-AM bombing was muslim.

Add this to the teachings of the Qoran.

Satay, that is disinformation and not helpful. I have studied the Qoran and know many Muslims throughout the world who I have discussed religion with.