Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

[Gasometer]

I doubt I'd thought of that song for 30 years till you mentioned it. I actually have a soft spot for it. Around the time it came out I was in Fiji with one tape that had that song, the brilliant, if corny as, soundtrack to a creepy B Grade movie called Streets of Fire and some other random music on it. It was all i had to listen to for 3 weeks except Hindi music and the soundtrack to Highlander from the actual video. (At the time there were no tv stations in Fiji but VCRs had just appeared and so everyone had TVs to watch rental movies on. If you think movie rentals were big in Australia in the mid 80s then you should have seen Fiji.) It sounded good at the time but I haven't listened to it or that soundtrack since.

Streets of Fire

Never saw the movie but loved the soundtrack

Think the Producer was Meatloafs?

Diane Lane is not too bad

 

[King Corey]

Streets of Fire

Never saw the movie but loved the soundtrack

Think the Producer was Meatloafs?

Diane Lane is not too bad

Ah yes. Tim Lane's older, more attractive daughter.

 

[Groin guru]

I'm fairly sure I've seen him type that very thing. That's why i found it irritating.

Incorrect. That's how you go about it anyway. When you get emotional (like you often do) you attack the man not the content.

Instead of admitting fault you prefer to double down. I highlighted exactly what the former ICE director said to AOC when she was wrong (also as per usual).

 

[ferball]

It's a safe bet you probably did a better Scottish accent than Lambert and a far better Greek one than Connery too.

Weirdest bit of casting for nationality ever - "here you'll play a character of X origin but please make almost no effort to sound authentic".

Those cane knife skills will hold you in good stead if you ever want to attend a Collingwood intraclub.

Lol.

Yeah it was some strange casting but then so much of the movie was strange. Who has a sword that fits together like some James Bond sniper rifle? WTF!!! That thing wouldn't have lasted 30 seconds in a duel with a real sword and would have snapped in half the moment you tried to take the roof of a car with it.

It was a really mythological tale. Iconic scenes that looked like paintings and stuff. "Happy Halloween ladies." I think Ramirez was egyptian tho.

Yep. Looked it up.

 

[King Corey]

Lol.

Yeah it was some strange casting but then so much of the movie was strange. Who has a sword that fits together like some James Bond sniper rifle? WTF!!! That thing wouldn't have lasted 30 seconds in a duel with a real sword and would have snapped in half the moment you tried to take the roof of a car with it.

It was a really mythological tale. Iconic scenes that looked like paintings and stuff. "Happy Halloween ladies." I think Ramirez was egyptian tho.

Yep. Looked it up.

God my memory. Should've been Spain actually.

You're right - McLeod calls him a Spaniard, Ramirez corrects it to Egyptian.

Not sure where I pulled the Greek bit from.

 

[D23D]

BTW What sort of name is Lou Gramms. No sus drug references there.

His father is of Italian heritage, his last name is actually Grammatico.
I always liked the song Juke box hero. A typical Mutt Lange production.
Mutt has produced many a great record. Speaking of which, Back in Black turns 39 today and can still hold up as a fantastic rock album!

 

[SlyCunnington]

His father is of Italian heritage, his last name is actually Grammatico.
I always liked the song Juke box hero. A typical Mutt Lange production.
Mutt has produced many a great record. Speaking of which, Back in Black turns 39 today and can still hold up as a fantastic rock album!

Check out Rick Beato's channel on youtube, mate.

If you're into Rock, you'll love this.

My fave is "What makes this song great".

Some of the best content on the web.

 

[kangaspurs]

If you call another human an "illegal" then as far as i'm concerned you are.

People aren't "illegal".

They might commit illegal acts. But a person is NOT by definition illegal.

fu**en hell.

This type of language is every in Australia and it's really ****ing pernicious.

No matter how you enter the country, if your intention is to seek asylum then it's not illegal. All the talk about illegal arrivals on boats, and using the 'proper' means to enter the country is just divisive shit with the intention of creating a fear of the other 'invading' the country, so that when you implement often completely ****ing inhumane policy to prevent it, it's gets the jingoistic morons frothing at the mouth about stopping the foreigners, and it wins votes. It's a ****ing shame for Australia and for the US, but it wins votes. It says a lot about the electorate.

 

[King Corey]

Check out Rick Beato's channel on youtube, mate.

If you're into Rock, you'll love this.

My fave is "What makes this song great".

Some of the best content on the web.

Rick Beato = The Off

 

[King Corey]

This type of language is every in Australia and it's really ******* pernicious.

No matter how you enter the country, if your intention is to seek asylum then it's not illegal. All the talk about illegal arrivals on boats, and using the 'proper' means to enter the country is just divisive s**t with the intention of creating a fear of the other 'invading' the country, so that when you implement often completely ******* inhumane policy to prevent it, it's gets the jingoistic morons frothing at the mouth about stopping the foreigners, and it wins votes. It's a ******* shame for Australia and for the US, but it wins votes. It says a lot about the electorate.

Protecting borders to only allow entry to people complying with the legal entry process would assist the welfare of all citizens of the country though and that includes the most disadvantaged.

However this means applying a strict policy against illegal immigration from all sources. At last check we didn't seem to lock up overstaying Irish bartenders, English backpackers or Chinese cash in hand business operators on remote islands.

So there is a racist element if you're being selective in who and how you're applying the full force of the border protection process against.

 

[ferball]

Streets of Fire

Never saw the movie but loved the soundtrack

Think the Producer was Meatloafs?

Diane Lane is not too bad

Jim Steinman and it turns out Jimmy Iovine as well. I just went and checked on wikipedia and Jim Steinman actually worked on some amazing music beside meatloaf. Everything from Boyzown to Celine Dion to the Sisters of Mercy.

 

[ferball]

His father is of Italian heritage, his last name is actually Grammatico.
I always liked the song Juke box hero. A typical Mutt Lange production.
Mutt has produced many a great record. Speaking of which, Back in Black turns 39 today and can still hold up as a fantastic rock album!

Really. I always thought it was a sly drug reference.

 

[King Corey]

some amazing music beside meatloaf. Everything from Boyzown

Do what now?

 

[D23D]

Check out Rick Beato's channel on youtube, mate.

If you're into Rock, you'll love this.

My fave is "What makes this song great".

Some of the best content on the web.

Some good stuff in there mate. Makes me wanna blow the dust of my electric guitar!

 

[GarnerSmash]

Holy heck, Ricky Gervais on Sam Harris?! Will have to check this out.

Very odd meeting of the worlds.

They are very similarly aligned in their world views. Decent enough podcast this one. Harris is an excellent listen most of the time, especially when he stops whineing about how the left treat him.

 

[ferball]

Do what now?

I hate that stuff but its well made.

 

[kangaspurs]

Protecting borders to only allow entry to people complying with the legal entry process would assist the welfare of all citizens of the country though and that includes the most disadvantaged.

However this means applying a strict policy against illegal immigration from all sources. At last check we didn't seem to lock up overstaying Irish bartenders, English backpackers or Chinese cash in hand business operators on remote islands.

So there is a racist element if you're being selective in who and how you're applying the full force of the border protection process against.

Agree with the second two paragraphs.

However, this idea of a legal entry process is flawed in this context. If you're a Rohingya whose family has been imprisoned you're hardly able to go to government offices, get a passport, then browse travel agents for a cheap flight to Australia, and then board. Same goes for people in Iraq, Tamils in Sri Lanka etc.

 

[Gasometer]

Jim Steinman and it turns out Jimmy Iovine as well. I just went and checked on wikipedia and Jim Steinman actually worked on some amazing music beside meatloaf. Everything from Boyzown to Celine Dion to the Sisters of Mercy.

That Iovine doco from last year

Epic, one of the best ever

 

[ferball]

Agree with the second two paragraphs.

However, this idea of a legal entry process is flawed in this context. If you're a Rohingya whose family has been imprisoned you're hardly able to go to government offices, get a passport, then browse travel agents for a cheap flight to Australia, and then board. Same goes for people in Iraq, Tamils in Sri Lanka etc.

I did have a post in response to KCs that is similar to yours.

One of the media narratives that accompanied all that shit over the last decade was that these people were window shopping for a better lifestyle. The assumptions were that is exactly hat they were doing. Despite the fact it probably wasn't.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

This type of language is every in Australia and it's really ******* pernicious.

No matter how you enter the country, if your intention is to seek asylum then it's not illegal. All the talk about illegal arrivals on boats, and using the 'proper' means to enter the country is just divisive s**t with the intention of creating a fear of the other 'invading' the country, so that when you implement often completely ******* inhumane policy to prevent it, it's gets the jingoistic morons frothing at the mouth about stopping the foreigners, and it wins votes. It's a ******* shame for Australia and for the US, but it wins votes. It says a lot about the electorate.

Not enough ****'s for my liking.

Whilst I agree there is a certain invasion complex at play with quite a few people with a strict border policy, it is much more complicated than that and we both know it. Insulting a large section of the electorate and implying they are something sinister is not going to help improve border policy.


FWIW, this is not my argument, I am more in the middle ground on this issue, similar to KC's post.

In terms of the boats, the opposing argument would be, that is safer for those seeking asylum via the proper channels rather than using dangerous methods of reaching Australia, i.e. using leaky boats over long distances or shady people smugglers (these aren't good humanitarian people), or in the US case, the use of drug-peddling/rape-happy Coyotes to cross the border. As we all know plenty of people have died using these methods, a hell of a lot more died via boats than in detention centres, the latter of which should never have happened, but that's another well-covered argument.

*Point withdrawn about economic migrants.

So then it comes back to why governments use 'proper' channels. And when I say proper channels, I don't necessarily mean go to an Australian embassy in their own country, but rather crossing neighboring borders and initiating the process when they can then guarantee their own safety. For example, many refugees who go through the process and are desiring to come to Australia are able to find their way to Malaysia/Singapore/Indonesia to initiate the process, which are healthy nation-states.

It often comes back to how much a country can add to its pre-existing population and the national infrastructure. Is there enough additional food resources, housing, education, energy demands, social welfare, support programs, administrative sources for processing refugee/migrant/citizenship status etc. Other legal migrant numbers and local population numbers are also added into these type of 'human calculations', as cold as it appears. Pointedly, there is a huge backload in Canadian refugee channels because there is not enough resources devoted to immigration.


^It is the above process I take issue with, the 'proper channels process', as the immigration processes for all this are incredibly shocking. Not enough funding is present and we tend to take a colder economic realist approach to migration, which is not human-friendly.

Protecting borders to only allow entry to people complying with the legal entry process would assist the welfare of all citizens of the country though and that includes the most disadvantaged.

However this means applying a strict policy against illegal immigration from all sources. At last check we didn't seem to lock up overstaying Irish bartenders, English backpackers or Chinese cash in hand business operators on remote islands.

So there is a racist element if you're being selective in who and how you're applying the full force of the border protection process against.

Largely agree with your points mate, but I'm not so sure about your racist points. As a whole, there is a sizeable backlog of people who are illegally residing in Australia, with roughly 2,000 people shipped out over the last 2 years and something like a backlog of 64,000 people who are here illegally. Of that 2,000 in the last 2 years, a lot are actually Kiwis. Australia has forcibly deported 1,023 people to New Zealand in the last two years, and 44% of them have reoffended in that country, according to New Zealand’s police commissioner, Mike Bush.

Whilst there is always a racial element, which you can find a small minority of in all sections of society, there is no wider racial policy at play.

 

[ferball]

Incorrect. That's how you go about it anyway. When you get emotional (like you often do) you attack the man not the content.

Instead of admitting fault you prefer to double down. I highlighted exactly what the former ICE director said to AOC when she was wrong (also as per usual).

I think you'll find the bolded bit is incorrect. Well at least some of the time.

Defining people as illegal is a pissweak thing to do. It de-humanises them. Calling someone an illegal means you think that by definition they are a criminal act. Not that they have committed one but that they ARE one. You gonna make them wear yellow stars or pink triangles as well? Cos that the very next step.

 

[ferball]

BTW emotions are great. You should try them some time.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

BTW emotions are great. You should try them some time.

I rather surpress my emotions via copious amounts of alcohol.

 

[ferball]

That can be quite fun at times as well.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

That can be quite fun at times as well.

Not the next morning it doesn't.