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Story in media few days ago suggesting he is out of contract at Seven and some there not interested in re-signing him. Then this couple of days later - won't help his career.
 

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Channel 7 star Andrew O’Keefe arrested in Sydney, faces domestic violence charge
Game show host and former White Ribbon chairman Andrew O’Keefe was arrested on Sunday night in Sydney, and charged over an alleged domestic assault.

TV presenter and game show host Andrew O’Keefe has been charged by police over an alleged domestic assault on his partner in Sydney’s east yesterday.
Mr O’Keefe, 49, is due to face Waverley Local Court on Thursday after being arrested in the early hours of Sunday morning.
Police will allege the former Weekend Sunrise and current The Chase host assaulted his rumoured partner Orly Lavee at an apartment in Randwick just before 1am.
Andrew O'Keefe as host of The Chase. Picture: Channel 7

Andrew O'Keefe as host of The Chase. Picture: Channel 7
He was arrested on a nearby street at about 3.30am before being taken to Maroubra police station and charged with common assault.
Police granted the performer bail on the condition he not contact or approach Ms Lavee unless through a lawyer.
An interim apprehended violence order has also been granted on behalf of Ms Lavee, 41, which will be heard in court on Thursday alongside the assault charge.
Under the terms of the court order the performer is not to contact, threaten, assault or intimidate his partner or go to her house.
The 49-year-old performer is due to face court this week. Picture: Tim Hunter.

The 49-year-old performer is due to face court this week. Picture: Tim Hunter.
“Just before 1am, officers from Eastern Beaches Police Area Command attended a Randwick unit, after reports a 41-year-old woman had allegedly been assaulted in a domestic violence related incident,” police said in a statement.
Mr O’Keefe, a former lawyer and son of ex-NSW Supreme Court justice Barry O’Keefe, is a former chairman of the domestic violence charity the White Ribbon Foundation.
The charge brought against Mr O’Keefe yesterday coincides with growing speculation his charmed run at the Seven Network could be coming to an end, with network bosses in talks to potentially replace the troubled presenter.
Andrew O'Keefe. Picture: AAP Image/Joel Carrett

Andrew O'Keefe. Picture: AAP Image/Joel Carrett
Potential replacement hosts being considered for the role are understood to include Rove McManus.
Mr O’Keefe’s contract with the television network is understood to have lapsed at the end of 2020.
Home and Away star rekindles romance with exRove on Seven’s list if O’Keefe ends The Chase
The star is understood to have been battling mental health issues for a decade along with repeated admissions to rehabilitation clinics.
His extended absences have forced Seven and ITV Studios Australia, producer of The Chase, to put the show into untimely production hiatuses during the past two years.
 
Channel 7 star Andrew O’Keefe arrested in Sydney, faces domestic violence charge
Game show host and former White Ribbon chairman Andrew O’Keefe was arrested on Sunday night in Sydney, and charged over an alleged domestic assault.

TV presenter and game show host Andrew O’Keefe has been charged by police over an alleged domestic assault on his partner in Sydney’s east yesterday.
Mr O’Keefe, 49, is due to face Waverley Local Court on Thursday after being arrested in the early hours of Sunday morning.
Police will allege the former Weekend Sunrise and current The Chase host assaulted his rumoured partner Orly Lavee at an apartment in Randwick just before 1am.
Andrew O'Keefe as host of The Chase. Picture: Channel 7'Keefe as host of The Chase. Picture: Channel 7

Andrew O'Keefe as host of The Chase. Picture: Channel 7
He was arrested on a nearby street at about 3.30am before being taken to Maroubra police station and charged with common assault.
Police granted the performer bail on the condition he not contact or approach Ms Lavee unless through a lawyer.
An interim apprehended violence order has also been granted on behalf of Ms Lavee, 41, which will be heard in court on Thursday alongside the assault charge.
Under the terms of the court order the performer is not to contact, threaten, assault or intimidate his partner or go to her house.
The 49-year-old performer is due to face court this week. Picture: Tim Hunter.

The 49-year-old performer is due to face court this week. Picture: Tim Hunter.
“Just before 1am, officers from Eastern Beaches Police Area Command attended a Randwick unit, after reports a 41-year-old woman had allegedly been assaulted in a domestic violence related incident,” police said in a statement.
Mr O’Keefe, a former lawyer and son of ex-NSW Supreme Court justice Barry O’Keefe, is a former chairman of the domestic violence charity the White Ribbon Foundation.
The charge brought against Mr O’Keefe yesterday coincides with growing speculation his charmed run at the Seven Network could be coming to an end, with network bosses in talks to potentially replace the troubled presenter.
Andrew O'Keefe. Picture: AAP Image/Joel Carrett'Keefe. Picture: AAP Image/Joel Carrett

Andrew O'Keefe. Picture: AAP Image/Joel Carrett
Potential replacement hosts being considered for the role are understood to include Rove McManus.
Mr O’Keefe’s contract with the television network is understood to have lapsed at the end of 2020.
Home and Away star rekindles romance with exRove on Seven’s list if O’Keefe ends The Chase
The star is understood to have been battling mental health issues for a decade along with repeated admissions to rehabilitation clinics.
His extended absences have forced Seven and ITV Studios Australia, producer of The Chase, to put the show into untimely production hiatuses during the past two years.
Was there a chase when the police got there?
 
Yes well, I learn long ago you can admire the art and despise the artist.

Sure.

I do find it interesting that people are fine with compartmentalising some things about an artist - in this instance, the separation between art and artist - but it appears that compartmentalising that artist's views on different topics isn't quite so okay.

Dunno, seemed a bit of a weird interjection for mine, just purely from a relevance point of view. And as is so often the case, people reach for extreme examples when trying to get their argument over on the internet. I'm sorry, DR, but trying to conflate the allegations against Bowie with the systemic crimes that Epstein committed lacks nuance. I follow the line of logic re rich and famous people doing whatever the **** they want and (for the most part) getting away with it, but the application of that logic (here) is so stretched as to be hamfisted. And I have to say, using Sopwiths' post and subsequent comments on the topic as justification for attempting to paint her as an apologist for Epstein, isn't one of your finest moments, IMO. You're way better than that.

Going forward, I do wonder if this benchmark will be maintained or applied with a consistent hand. It's interesting to note that one of the underage girls that Bowie is accused of having a sexual relationship with, also claims to have had similar engagements with Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, and others.

Will mentions of the two aforementioned music legends invoke the same response that Bowie's did on this occasion? What about others? Iggy Pop's notorious dalliances with underage groupies? Elvis and Chuck Berry's well-documented relationships with minors? Steve Tyler and his 14-year old squeeze? Or what about John Lennon, Wilson Pickett, and Miles Davis and their women-beating pasts? Sid Vicious? Tupac? When Dre comments on, say, Snoop's flow, should we then bring up his (self-confessed) past of abusing women as a matter of course?

Let me make this clear, this is by no means me endorsing, downplaying, or excusing these people's actions in any way, shape, or form. Not copping that lame strawman. Like I say, I'm just trying to establish a baseline on these things. To work out why in this instance Bowie (specifically) has been selected as the magnet for this discussion, and in what other instances this baseline should be applied.

As a person who is far more interested in nuance rather than constrictive dogma, for me the reaction to Bowie's name being mentioned raises a bunch of questions, particularly around the subject of precedent....

- Will quotes and references to the words of others - famous or otherwise - attract a similar qualification if that person has a copybook blotted by anything from minor past indiscretions, to more serious closet skeletons, to downright heinous crimes?
- Who is the arbiter on what indiscretions/skeletons/crimes require automatic mention when a person's name is brought up?
- And who matches that up with the amount of 'relevance to topic being discussed', and then makes a decision on same?
- To what degree does a person's indiscretions/skeletons/crimes impact their ability to speak intelligently or thoughtfully on other topics?
- Will posting of a clip by The Black Keys, Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine, The KLF, or The Undertones necessitate a mention of how they've sampled or covered Gary Glitter songs?
- Will referencing Leadbelly necessitate a mention of his stretches in jail for murder and aggravated assault?
- Will posting a clip of De Niro in 'Raging Bull' have to be accompanied by a clip of him in 'Little Fockers'?
- Or applying the blotted copybook theorem to non-artistic areas, will a tweet by Greenwald necessitate a mention of how he worked for Pierre Omidyar or that he's matey with Tucker Carlson?
- And will all these questions be answered in a 'Random Thoughts Thread Guide To Ethics'?

I dunno, it just all seems a tad arbitrary to me.


Tl;dr? Don't blame you. It was kinda long.
 
Channel 7 star Andrew O’Keefe arrested in Sydney, faces domestic violence charge
Game show host and former White Ribbon chairman Andrew O’Keefe was arrested on Sunday night in Sydney, and charged over an alleged domestic assault.

TV presenter and game show host Andrew O’Keefe has been charged by police over an alleged domestic assault on his partner in Sydney’s east yesterday.
Mr O’Keefe, 49, is due to face Waverley Local Court on Thursday after being arrested in the early hours of Sunday morning.
Police will allege the former Weekend Sunrise and current The Chase host assaulted his rumoured partner Orly Lavee at an apartment in Randwick just before 1am.
Andrew O'Keefe as host of The Chase. Picture: Channel 7'Keefe as host of The Chase. Picture: Channel 7

Andrew O'Keefe as host of The Chase. Picture: Channel 7
He was arrested on a nearby street at about 3.30am before being taken to Maroubra police station and charged with common assault.
Police granted the performer bail on the condition he not contact or approach Ms Lavee unless through a lawyer.
An interim apprehended violence order has also been granted on behalf of Ms Lavee, 41, which will be heard in court on Thursday alongside the assault charge.
Under the terms of the court order the performer is not to contact, threaten, assault or intimidate his partner or go to her house.
The 49-year-old performer is due to face court this week. Picture: Tim Hunter.

The 49-year-old performer is due to face court this week. Picture: Tim Hunter.
“Just before 1am, officers from Eastern Beaches Police Area Command attended a Randwick unit, after reports a 41-year-old woman had allegedly been assaulted in a domestic violence related incident,” police said in a statement.
Mr O’Keefe, a former lawyer and son of ex-NSW Supreme Court justice Barry O’Keefe, is a former chairman of the domestic violence charity the White Ribbon Foundation.
The charge brought against Mr O’Keefe yesterday coincides with growing speculation his charmed run at the Seven Network could be coming to an end, with network bosses in talks to potentially replace the troubled presenter.
Andrew O'Keefe. Picture: AAP Image/Joel Carrett'Keefe. Picture: AAP Image/Joel Carrett

Andrew O'Keefe. Picture: AAP Image/Joel Carrett
Potential replacement hosts being considered for the role are understood to include Rove McManus.
Mr O’Keefe’s contract with the television network is understood to have lapsed at the end of 2020.
Home and Away star rekindles romance with exRove on Seven’s list if O’Keefe ends The Chase
The star is understood to have been battling mental health issues for a decade along with repeated admissions to rehabilitation clinics.
His extended absences have forced Seven and ITV Studios Australia, producer of The Chase, to put the show into untimely production hiatuses during the past two years.

Freakin' hilarious.

This bloke is a world title contender for virtue signaling.

 

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To work out why in this instance Bowie (specifically) has been selected as the magnet for this discussion, and in what other instances this baseline should be applied.

Because Sopwiths North posted about Bowie, not Dre or Jerry Lee Lewis or Sid Vicious, or Mick Jagger.

The deification of Bowie, that most Boomer of Boomer icons, shits me to tears.

He's presented as some kind of mystical saint, from a time when Music Was Good, before The Crap You Lot Listen To Now came along.

He wasn't some otherwordly visionary, he was a decent musician with an impeccable eye for PR and media. And a whole lot of human failings, including, child rape.

If we're talking icons with anthemic tracks and a brilliant eye for image, give me Madonna every day.
 

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Probably more than you, who is waving their distress around to try and distract from the fact that your favourite musician was a nonce.

In fact, what you're doing there is pretty tasteless.

What I did was post an interview with David Bowie where he talks about Black music content on MTV in 1983.

You jumped on it with some vague accusatory comment about sexual exploitation. When I asked for clarification, you called him a "sex offender" and provided an article about a woman who had consensual sex with him as an under age girl fifty years ago, and who states she is completely okay and without regret about it as an adult. The fact that you can't even allow that a woman can have peace and autonomy over the decisions she's made in her own life is in itself misogynistic.

My reply to you is, okay, let's talk about the real problem then. Let's talk about the 650 million under age girls globally who are married off without their consent, and it's perfectly legal. These men get away with it. Just like the rock stars. Only on a massive, MASSIVE scale, that no one is paying attention to. THAT is the real problem in our world. And yet suddenly, you don't want to talk about it.

Shame on you. Your approach to this subject is no better than tabloid journalism.

Just stay away from me from now on. Thanks.
 
Sure.

I do find it interesting that people are fine with compartmentalising some things about an artist - in this instance, the separation between art and artist - but it appears that compartmentalising that artist's views on different topics isn't quite so okay.

Dunno, seemed a bit of a weird interjection for mine, just purely from a relevance point of view. And as is so often the case, people reach for extreme examples when trying to get their argument over on the internet. I'm sorry, DR, but trying to conflate the allegations against Bowie with the systemic crimes that Epstein committed lacks nuance. I follow the line of logic re rich and famous people doing whatever the **** they want and (for the most part) getting away with it, but the application of that logic (here) is so stretched as to be hamfisted. And I have to say, using Sopwiths' post and subsequent comments on the topic as justification for attempting to paint her as an apologist for Epstein, isn't one of your finest moments, IMO. You're way better than that.

Going forward, I do wonder if this benchmark will be maintained or applied with a consistent hand. It's interesting to note that one of the underage girls that Bowie is accused of having a sexual relationship with, also claims to have had similar engagements with Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, and others.

Will mentions of the two aforementioned music legends invoke the same response that Bowie's did on this occasion? What about others? Iggy Pop's notorious dalliances with underage groupies? Elvis and Chuck Berry's well-documented relationships with minors? Steve Tyler and his 14-year old squeeze? Or what about John Lennon, Wilson Pickett, and Miles Davis and their women-beating pasts? Sid Vicious? Tupac? When Dre comments on, say, Snoop's flow, should we then bring up his (self-confessed) past of abusing women as a matter of course?

Let me make this clear, this is by no means me endorsing, downplaying, or excusing these people's actions in any way, shape, or form. Not copping that lame strawman. Like I say, I'm just trying to establish a baseline on these things. To work out why in this instance Bowie (specifically) has been selected as the magnet for this discussion, and in what other instances this baseline should be applied.

As a person who is far more interested in nuance rather than constrictive dogma, for me the reaction to Bowie's name being mentioned raises a bunch of questions, particularly around the subject of precedent....

- Will quotes and references to the words of others - famous or otherwise - attract a similar qualification if that person has a copybook blotted by anything from minor past indiscretions, to more serious closet skeletons, to downright heinous crimes?
- Who is the arbiter on what indiscretions/skeletons/crimes require automatic mention when a person's name is brought up?
- And who matches that up with the amount of 'relevance to topic being discussed', and then makes a decision on same?
- To what degree does a person's indiscretions/skeletons/crimes impact their ability to speak intelligently or thoughtfully on other topics?
- Will posting of a clip by The Black Keys, Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine, The KLF, or The Undertones necessitate a mention of how they've sampled or covered Gary Glitter songs?
- Will referencing Leadbelly necessitate a mention of his stretches in jail for murder and aggravated assault?
- Will posting a clip of De Niro in 'Raging Bull' have to be accompanied by a clip of him in 'Little Fockers'?
- Or applying the blotted copybook theorem to non-artistic areas, will a tweet by Greenwald necessitate a mention of how he worked for Pierre Omidyar or that he's matey with Tucker Carlson?
- And will all these questions be answered in a 'Random Thoughts Thread Guide To Ethics'?

I dunno, it just all seems a tad arbitrary to me.


Tl;dr? Don't blame you. It was kinda long.
I wasn’t going to post this, as its an emotional topic and sometimes it’s better to let sleeping dogs lie but here we are..

So I get where you’re coming from but, censorship is for losers, we don’t compartmentalise anything, the more knowledge we gain, the more we have greater understanding of the world and we take the good with the bad.

If you read the post again, without emotion, Epstein apologist is/was the perfect example. He was Hollywood’s pimp. This issue is a whole lot more wide spread then people think, esp in Hollywood, all of these are adult men praying on teenagers are predators..

And frankly people need to be called out about it.. stop and think about what they are writing, to try and say, yeah but a rich and famous dude diddled a couple of kids and that’s ok, cause there’s millions of child brides around the world and that’s the real issue...

That’s a fallacy and Hollywood apologist logic.

Hollywood apologist = Epstein apologist
Ricky said it best..
 
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