Play Nice Random Chat Thread V

[Hojuman]

They make advertising dollars nailing people to the cross on the way down, and then via the resurrection on the way up.

The real problem is that the media sets too many people's moral compasses. Look no further than the Murdochites & ABC zombies.

NEW IDEA resurrection ?

 

[Caracas]

oh give him a break, he just likes typing the word for petes sake. havnt you woke up to that yet?

Ferbs, is Koshari using “woke” correctly here?


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[Hojuman]

OH ! Mrs. H. saw her first snake yesterday in the bush. Little striped bugger and the scream of surprise wonderful. Good times.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Good grief this thread.

 

[Caracas]

Sure.

I do find it interesting that people are fine with compartmentalising some things about an artist - in this instance, the separation between art and artist - but it appears that compartmentalising that artist's views on different topics isn't quite so okay.

Dunno, seemed a bit of a weird interjection for mine, just purely from a relevance point of view. And as is so often the case, people reach for extreme examples when trying to get their argument over on the internet. I'm sorry, DR, but trying to conflate the allegations against Bowie with the systemic crimes that Epstein committed lacks nuance. I follow the line of logic re rich and famous people doing whatever the **** they want and (for the most part) getting away with it, but the application of that logic (here) is so stretched as to be hamfisted. And I have to say, using Sopwiths' post and subsequent comments on the topic as justification for attempting to paint her as an apologist for Epstein, isn't one of your finest moments, IMO. You're way better than that.

Going forward, I do wonder if this benchmark will be maintained or applied with a consistent hand. It's interesting to note that one of the underage girls that Bowie is accused of having a sexual relationship with, also claims to have had similar engagements with Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, and others.

Will mentions of the two aforementioned music legends invoke the same response that Bowie's did on this occasion? What about others? Iggy Pop's notorious dalliances with underage groupies? Elvis and Chuck Berry's well-documented relationships with minors? Steve Tyler and his 14-year old squeeze? Or what about John Lennon, Wilson Pickett, and Miles Davis and their women-beating pasts? Sid Vicious? Tupac? When Dre comments on, say, Snoop's flow, should we then bring up his (self-confessed) past of abusing women as a matter of course?

Let me make this clear, this is by no means me endorsing, downplaying, or excusing these people's actions in any way, shape, or form. Not copping that lame strawman. Like I say, I'm just trying to establish a baseline on these things. To work out why in this instance Bowie (specifically) has been selected as the magnet for this discussion, and in what other instances this baseline should be applied.

As a person who is far more interested in nuance rather than constrictive dogma, for me the reaction to Bowie's name being mentioned raises a bunch of questions, particularly around the subject of precedent....

- Will quotes and references to the words of others - famous or otherwise - attract a similar qualification if that person has a copybook blotted by anything from minor past indiscretions, to more serious closet skeletons, to downright heinous crimes?
- Who is the arbiter on what indiscretions/skeletons/crimes require automatic mention when a person's name is brought up?
- And who matches that up with the amount of 'relevance to topic being discussed', and then makes a decision on same?
- To what degree does a person's indiscretions/skeletons/crimes impact their ability to speak intelligently or thoughtfully on other topics?
- Will posting of a clip by The Black Keys, Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine, The KLF, or The Undertones necessitate a mention of how they've sampled or covered Gary Glitter songs?
- Will referencing Leadbelly necessitate a mention of his stretches in jail for murder and aggravated assault?
- Will posting a clip of De Niro in 'Raging Bull' have to be accompanied by a clip of him in 'Little Fockers'?
- Or applying the blotted copybook theorem to non-artistic areas, will a tweet by Greenwald necessitate a mention of how he worked for Pierre Omidyar or that he's matey with Tucker Carlson?
- And will all these questions be answered in a 'Random Thoughts Thread Guide To Ethics'?

I dunno, it just all seems a tad arbitrary to me.


Tl;dr? Don't blame you. It was kinda long.

Well put, TOD. Although, I think in this instance all involved would agree that everyone is pretty much in violent agreement on this. However, this particular subject has an unique capacity to trigger flare-ups that can spiral out of control.


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[Caracas]

OH ! Mrs. H. saw her first snake yesterday in the bush. Little striped bugger and the scream of surprise wonderful. Good times.

That’s the first time Snake has received that sort of reaction on here!


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[DarwinRoo]

Yep agree, only had 1 concussion in my life but took almost 2 months to recover from and a lot of people were saying I was not myself. I felt like I was there in body only, and the world would go on around me and I felt like a zombie and was starting to worry that I'd never get back to normal. I didn't even think the head knock was that bad at the time. So I'm glad its something the AFL is taking very seriously these days, and long term health should always be put before a playing career.

I don’t pertain to be an expert on CTE or brain injuries but I’ve seen a few documentaries that touch on the subject and when you hear of men in their late teens and early twenties killing themselves, and then to have their brain analysed and it’s found to be completely ****ed, well it’s an eye opener.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I don’t pertain to be an expert on CTE or brain injuries but I’ve seen a few documentaries that touch on the subject and when you hear of men in their late teens and early twenties killing themselves, and then to have their brain analysed and it’s found to be completely f’ed, well it’s an eye opener.

Correlation alone does not imply causation DR*.

*Unless you quote something from a Rita Panahi article in anything other than a negative light. Then you're a Nazi.

 

[shintemaster]

Correlation alone does not imply causation DR*.

*Unless you quote something from a Rita Panahi article in anything other than a negative light. Then you're a Nazi.

Are you suggesting that there is another unknown cause behind CTE that is at odds with all currently available evidence?

 

[ChoppyGun]

The Other Dean

Great post mate.

Lots of complete and utter crap in this thread (in fact I'm baffled by a lot of it) but your's was worth reading.

 

[Val Keating]

Elon Musk just went after that CEO of Robbinhood. Called him “Vald the stock impaler” to his face. Lol. I’ll try and find the vid from Clubhouse

 

[DesertRoo]

The Other Dean

Great post mate.

Lots of complete and utter crap in this thread (in fact I'm baffled by a lot of it) but your's was worth reading.

Last i’m going to say on the topic but Bowie had more in common with Savile then people realise, if you want to look up what Jonathan King has to say about it all..

he got a pass because he was famous.

David Bowie had sex ‘with more young people than Jimmy Savile’, disgraced pop mogul claims

A DISGRACED pop mogul has claimed the BBC ignored "hundreds" of memos about pop icon David Bowie.

www.dailystar.co.uk

 

[Val Keating]

Bloody he’ll look at the spike at the end. Just like they’ve done with stonks



Christ. They’ve got just under 8M people watching WallStreetbets now. That was only 2 million a week ago.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Last i’m going to say on the topic but Bowie had more in common with Savile then people realise, if you want to look up what Jonathan King has to say about it all..

he got a pass because he was famous.

To be honest mate I don't care on who's right or wrong - I have no opinion either way.

Just feel TODs post very good and well thought out and expressed.

 

[Usayed Givashe]

Bloody he’ll look at the spike at the end. Just like they’ve done with stonks



Christ. They’ve got just under 8M people watching WallStreetbets now. That was only 2 million a week ago.
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Silver up 10% for those paying attention.

 

[DesertRoo]

Silver up 10% for those paying attention.

Crash?

 

[Val Keating]

Silver up 10% for those paying attention.

I’m just interested in what’s going on between these bunch of degenerates and Wall Street. From discourse shutting them down, the CEO of NASDAQ calling for more regulation, Robinhood shafting them, Google removing negative reviews, negative media.. but it hasn’t worked, it’s getting more attention because of it.

And the memes are fantastic

 

[Usayed Givashe]

Crash?

Nah $200... then who knows.

 

[ferball]

Nah $200... then who knows.

RU Sirius?

 

[Gasometer]

Every bloody threadView attachment 1049016

I don’t know wat Skub is or does but yes every single bloody thread is so true. Hopeless

 

[Devington]

I don’t know wat Skub is or does but yes every single bloody thread is so true. Hopeless

Skub isn't a thing. It doesn't exist. It's a comic strip about how people will argue obsessively, and often pointlessly, over anything no matter how immaterial.

 

[barnrokn]

I don’t pertain to be an expert on CTE or brain injuries but I’ve seen a few documentaries that touch on the subject and when you hear of men in their late teens and early twenties killing themselves, and then to have their brain analysed and it’s found to be completely f’ed, well it’s an eye opener.

I just read an article on an ex ufc/mma fighter Spencer Fisher The cost of being king
Touches on all this stuff

 

[Gasometer]

Skub isn't a thing. It doesn't exist. It's a comic strip about how people will argue obsessively, and often pointlessly, over anything no matter how immaterial.

Yeh I get that but that’s not my point

 

[Snake_Baker]

Are you suggesting that there is another unknown cause behind CTE that is at odds with all currently available evidence?

No mate, I am stating that correlation alone does not imply causation.

 

[ferball]

Yeh I get that but that’s not my point

Well what is your point?