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[st_trav_ofWA]

I’ll let you off with the majority but definitely not all!

No idea what the generation is called that were born after 2000, but I fear greatly for humanity. Majority of these children were/are being raised on social media, YouTube and iPads/phones and it’s seriously ****** up the wiring in their brains...

the same thing was said about the invention of TV that the next generation would be too focused on that.. im sure the generation before the invention of the radio said a similar thing and the generation before mass education would have been outraged ... its all the same give it a couple years technology will change and millenials wont "get" it and they will lament the future with a generation raised with blah blah blah ....

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'm driving along the road today, they've chosen to put double lines all the way, even though you can see oncoming traffic.
The garbage truck is there stopping at every house , so no choice but to slightly cross the lines. So did all the other cars. Otherwise it would have been 4km of stop go.

I thought... "I wonder what an autonomous car would do"

A bit further up was another truck parked in a strange spot for some reason. Once again all the traffic had to cross double lines to get round it.

 

[Phoenix_9]

the same thing was said about the invention of TV that the next generation would be too focused on that.. im sure the generation before the invention of the radio said a similar thing and the generation before mass education would have been outraged ... its all the same give it a couple years technology will change and millenials wont "get" it and they will lament the future with a generation raised with blah blah blah ....

True, but social media is a different beast. It’s in their pocket, it’s 24/7, it’s leading to higher rates of depression/anxiety/suicide.

 

[Nutsngum]

True, but social media is a different beast. It’s in their pocket, it’s 24/7, it’s leading to higher rates of depression/anxiety/suicide.

Correlation does not equal causation. Care to back that up?

 

[Phoenix_9]

Correlation does not equal causation. Care to back that up?

Observations of being a mathematics teacher, and have a read of the following two articles. Although they are not scholarly articles, they do base their views on studies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...81fd63f174d_story.html?utm_term=.520fa1c8286c

https://wanglefamilyinsites.com/advice/anxiety-and-depression-in-teens-social-media/

“Social media is known to exacerbate teenagers’ body image issues, cause sleep deprivation, and intensify bullying, but there is now a considerable amount of research to suggest that social media may also be to blame for increasing levels of mental health problems such as anxiety and depression in teens.”

 

[Phoenix_9]

“Not only did smartphone use and depression increase in tandem, but time spent online also was linked to mental-health issues across two different data sets. We found that teens who spent five or more hours a day online were 71 percent more likely than those who spent only one hour a day to have at least one suicide risk factor (depression, thinking about suicide, making a suicide plan or attempting suicide). Overall, suicide risk factors rose significantly after two or more hours a day of time online.”

 

[gringo2011]

“Not only did smartphone use and depression increase in tandem, but time spent online also was linked to mental-health issues across two different data sets. We found that teens who spent five or more hours a day online were 71 percent more likely than those who spent only one hour a day to have at least one suicide risk factor (depression, thinking about suicide, making a suicide plan or attempting suicide). Overall, suicide risk factors rose significantly after two or more hours a day of time online.”

I heard an interesting piece on radio national recently where they had someone offering the opposite point of view though. They were suggesting while it might exacerbate some mental illnesses, there are also positives like having isolated people more connected etc. Even things like promiscuous sex, drug use, alcohol abuse etc are down in youth and they are less self destructive than the previous couple of generations.

There is a tendency for every generation to think the one coming through is going to be ****ed up. I went back and studied as a mature age student a while ago and I changed my option of the generation coming through. In most part I found them more confident, quite focussed and generally just quite good people. I don't think much changes in the generations over all, just the way they interact does.

 

[Phoenix_9]

I heard an interesting piece on radio national recently where they had someone offering the opposite point of view though. They were suggesting while it might exacerbate some mental illnesses, there are also positives like having isolated people more connected etc. Even things like promiscuous sex, drug use, alcohol abuse etc are down in youth and they are less self destructive than the previous couple of generations.

There is a tendency for every generation to think the one coming through is going to be ****** up. I went back and studied as a mature age student a while ago and I changed my option of the generation coming through. In most part I found them more confident, quite focussed and generally just quite good people. I don't think much changes in the generations over all, just the way they interact does.

Absolutely has their positives for staying connected with friends and family. I should know, I’m a millennial working as a teacher in the country.
It’s a big plus as long as adolescents are educated and parented appropriately.

 

[gringo2011]

Absolutely has their positives for staying connected with friends and family. I should know, I’m a millennial working as a teacher in the country.
It’s a big plus as long as adolescents are educated and parented appropriately.

See that's where the technology can get the blame for all sorts of things. The high mortgage and rent prices force most houses to have 2 working parents so kids are more isolated in the family home. Having a full time parent at home was once a councillor, disciplinarian, cook, driver etc. A lot more kids don't have that now. That could just as easily explain the negative aspects of the young peoples lives.

School funding and programs for trades like TAFE and jobs for kids who don't want uni degrees have dried up too which isn't healthy mentally. Once you end your education now it's harder to get work so you have a lot more disenfranchisement in the system on top of that. Social media is just a small part of the issues facing young people.

 

[Phoenix_9]

See that's where the technology can get the blame for all sorts of things. The high mortgage and rent prices force most houses to have 2 working parents so kids are more isolated in the family home. Having a full time parent at home was once a councillor, disciplinarian, cook, driver etc. A lot more kids don't have that now. That could just as easily explain the negative aspects of the young peoples lives.

School funding and programs for trades like TAFE and jobs for kids who don't want uni degrees have dried up too which isn't healthy mentally. Once you end your education now it's harder to get work so you have a lot more disenfranchisement in the system on top of that. Social media is just a small part of the issues facing young people.

Agreed, a trade based career pathway is just as viable as a tertiary pathway (and for some students, far, far more viable) and should be encouraged/promoted/incentivised more!

I like your hypothesis around the second working parent, but I’d need some evidence.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

interesting subject.... i had a similar discussion with a guy who was studying criminology and psychology about the theory that crime is higher and more violent these days and his learnings so far had him finding that while the way the younger generation think has changed significantly to that of the older generation there is no link to say the younger generation are any more violent or that the crime rate is growing due to the generation , the statistics show that the percentage of crime against the population is showing crime is actually lowering so in a town where there were 10,000 people in the 70's there would be 200 criminals in that town causing crime the same town today with 60,000 people will have 500 criminals (the numbers are just examples he did tell me the real numbers but i cant remember them)..
also there is a school of though that the link to mental illness with this generation is not a true indication of the theory that this generation has a higher percentage of mental illness, its just a case that mental illness is now better diagnosed and there is less of a stigma on it than that of older generations so while the baby boomers will say "back in my day we played outside and we didnt have depressed teens" its more of a case that they did have depressed teens in their day but they bottled it up and kept it hidden..

the alarming thing he did discover was the sharp spike in the boomer generation being more susceptible to being abusive to children both physically and sexually than any other generation.. but again that may be more that its more acceptable now days to report these crimes than in previous generations where abuse was swept under carpets...

i think it shows there is no simplistic way to look at the differances in the growing up of generations and the way they turn out as adults

 

[gringo2011]

interesting subject.... i had a similar discussion with a guy who was studying criminology and psychology about the theory that crime is higher and more violent these days and his learnings so far had him finding that while the way the younger generation think has changed significantly to that of the older generation there is no link to say the younger generation are any more violent or that the crime rate is growing due to the generation , the statistics show that the percentage of crime against the population is showing crime is actually lowering so in a town where there were 10,000 people in the 70's there would be 200 criminals in that town causing crime the same town today with 60,000 people will have 500 criminals (the numbers are just examples he did tell me the real numbers but i cant remember them)..
also there is a school of though that the link to mental illness with this generation is not a true indication of the theory that this generation has a higher percentage of mental illness, its just a case that mental illness is now better diagnosed and there is less of a stigma on it than that of older generations so while the baby boomers will say "back in my day we played outside and we didnt have depressed teens" its more of a case that they did have depressed teens in their day but they bottled it up and kept it hidden..

the alarming thing he did discover was the sharp spike in the boomer generation being more susceptible to being abusive to children both physically and sexually than any other generation.. but again that may be more that its more acceptable now days to report these crimes than in previous generations where abuse was swept under carpets...

i think it shows there is no simplistic way to look at the differances in the growing up of generations and the way they turn out as adults

I think crime reporting is different now and adds to the figures. When I was young I got king hit three times and never thought to go to the police. With CCTV the perpetrators are often caught so it's become normal to prosecute them. We used to go out and get drunk and even as a little middle class shit the police would take us to the station and give us a bit of a slap around and we learnt to be scared of them as much as of crime.

I'd be surprised if crime is worse, just more reported. I could list at least 10 things I never reported to police that now would be normal to do now days. Crime is still pretty commonly linked to disadvantage as well. As societies become more unbalanced, kids become disengaged as they lose hope and it becomes entrenched. I remember that Eddie Murphy film Trading Places and knowing a lot of corporate people, I'm pretty sure that film is quite accurate. Kids born to advantage get good jobs, they buy property and become good members of society. Poor people struggle along never getting ahead, disenfranchisement means they throw their lives away in a range of destructive ways.

 

[VDS66]

See that's where the technology can get the blame for all sorts of things. The high mortgage and rent prices force most houses to have 2 working parents so kids are more isolated in the family home. Having a full time parent at home was once a councillor, disciplinarian, cook, driver etc. A lot more kids don't have that now. That could just as easily explain the negative aspects of the young peoples lives.

School funding and programs for trades like TAFE and jobs for kids who don't want uni degrees have dried up too which isn't healthy mentally. Once you end your education now it's harder to get work so you have a lot more disenfranchisement in the system on top of that. Social media is just a small part of the issues facing young people.

Snap...

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What's with Millennials still using archaic imperial measurements for TV's and Monitors.
This is a unit that we stopped teaching in primary schools before I was there.
They really are too bloody lazy to change anything. I've been fighting it all my life.
22 year old Pimply Salesman. "And this one is a 72 inch screen"
Me : "what's that in centimeters " ?
22yo: "der... dunno...oh we use Inches for TV's"
Me: "Why its a stupid unit"?

 

[sunny3193]

What's with Millennials still using archaic imperial measurements for TV's and Monitors.
This is a unit that we stopped teaching in primary schools before I was there.
They really are too bloody lazy to change anything. I've been fighting it all my life.
22 year old Pimply Salesman. "And this one is a 72 inch screen"
Me : "what's that in centimeters " ?
22yo: "der... dunno...oh we use Inches for TV's"
Me: "Why its a stupid unit"?

Blame the Yanks.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Blame the Yanks.

Blame the Milleniums for hating the Americans , while simultaneously copying all of their culture.

And don't get me started on light bulbs with Edison screws in new light fittings.

 

[StFly]

I heard an interesting piece on radio national recently where they had someone offering the opposite point of view though. They were suggesting while it might exacerbate some mental illnesses, there are also positives like having isolated people more connected etc. Even things like promiscuous sex, drug use, alcohol abuse etc are down in youth and they are less self destructive than the previous couple of generations.

Kinda goes to shit when you do these things and even the internet hates you though, as being abused by random people in the intarweb is great fun when you're considering killing yourself because real world is shit and the people even shitter because dammit you just want someone to give a shit and even nobodies won't and laugh at you and goad you into it because you're obviously full of shit. Right?

Then you turn to drink as I did and that ends with an empty stomach and concerned faces by paramedics and the like and generally running from authority because lol drink laws if you're on the property of someone you may have some connection with so that you can drink and feel mighty before the morning where just everything is shit. Though the plus side was hanging with the stoners kinda threw up the warning bells that doing that sort of shit really screws you over if excess, especially when you see one guy chasing something imaginary into eventual oncoming traffic after trundling through glass doors, when all we did was flail a bit in water chasing ducks around and almost almosts on vines, branches and such in the process for drunken lols. Ansd then you watch the ice addicts and such have stunted growth, their facial features drastically change and feel thankful that you skipped on that aspect of the gatherings due to anxiety & depression.

But then I try and be mighty even if my first choice at social gatherings is sheer panic and fright as I run in the other direction from random human contact, so damn all the things and lets go back to telegraphs which takes weeks to get to you and I'll be golden since prep time.

But I was also raised right to generally not send dick pics over an unsecured connection to random people you have no real deep connection with, so some people just really need to value themselves more than they did and do I say from very far away with high fear of recrimination from the safety of obscurity.

What's with Millennials still using archaic imperial measurements for TV's and Monitors.
This is a unit that we stopped teaching in primary schools before I was there.
They really are too bloody lazy to change anything. I've been fighting it all my life.
22 year old Pimply Salesman. "And this one is a 72 inch screen"
Me : "what's that in centimeters " ?
22yo: "der... dunno...oh we use Inches for TV's"
Me: "Why its a stupid unit"?

What was hilarious was that my old man was taught both despite dropping out at Y10, I took advanced maths in HS as a booksmart kinda guy who's not artistic and Imperial measurements were not mentioned once.

Now since we use both since global company with a couple hundred year old history, having to learn it is a pain in the arse to begin with since I'm so over school related things and 72" is about 183cm as 1" is 25.4 which is 182.88 and people need to respect their elders and Australia prior to about 1950.

Blame the Yanks.

And Europe who do both.

I remember being heavily jetlagged and the GPS goes "it's X miles to.." my first words in the country were cusses with "I'm in no condition for mental maths..." with the GPS almost being torn out of the car in protest to its Imperialness.

 

[Nutsngum]

Can people stop saying "millenials" like it has any actual bearing or meaning? Currently it ranges from someone who is 38 years old down to nothing and is a made up bunch of mumbo jumbo that encapsulates no one in any accurate fashion.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Can people stop saying "millenials" like it has any actual bearing or meaning? Currently it ranges from someone who is 38 years old down to nothing and is a made up bunch of mumbo jumbo that encapsulates no one in any accurate fashion.

its basically anyone not a baby boomer ...

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Can people stop saying "millenials" like it has any actual bearing or meaning? Currently it ranges from someone who is 38 years old down to nothing and is a made up bunch of mumbo jumbo that encapsulates no one in any accurate fashion.

So make up a better term.
I'm a Sainter.
That's someone who was alive when the Saints won a premiership. Though barely.

 

[sunny3193]

Blame the Milleniums for hating the Americans , while simultaneously copying all of their culture.

And don't get me started on light bulbs with Edison screws in new light fittings.

Bayonet Capist!

 

[Nutsngum]

Anyone else watching the Rocky marathon on SBS this week? Only ever really seen the original before. So far 3 seemed a better film then 2 even if it was a bit more ridiculous and seemingly a lot shorter.

 

[gringo2011]

its basically anyone not a baby boomer ...

I like you, you just made me feel younger.

 

[gringo2011]

Actually talking of millennials I saw young Spencer White hanging around St Kilda today, must be back from WA for a visit. Shame he didn't have the drive to make it. He had some talent.

 

[Nutsngum]

Actually talking of millennials I saw young Spencer White hanging around St Kilda today, must be back from WA for a visit. Shame he didn't have the drive to make it. He had some talent.

Should have watched the Rocky movies frankly.