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sr36 said:
Kicking some points and that ill-disciplined tackle was the final straw - time to sack him for letting us down again ...
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Doesn't need sacking.

It's just as much selection/coaching and player support at fault as it is him.

If he's not fulfilling the team needs / is undisciplined / unfit it's up to the coaching/selection panel not to select him and make it clear why.

If there isn't clear criteria for him to follow then he's not fully to blame.

But he does need to start getting better - a properly developed tank would be a good start.
 
jonbe54 said:
Doesn't need sacking.

It's just as much selection/coaching and player support at fault as it is him.

If he's not fulfilling the team needs / is undisciplined / unfit it's up to the coaching/selection panel not to select him and make it clear why.

If there isn't clear criteria for him to follow then he's not fully to blame.

But he does need to start getting better - a properly developed tank would be a good start.
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JDG: 17 coaches votes after 3 rounds. 4th in the AFL. Keep trying Cloudy.


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Great first outing for Reef.
WTF is the JDG shit doing in this thread?

There is an entire JDG thread for the whining.
 
LuckyLee said:
I find this concerning too. He has been a really poor endurance runner from the moment he arrived at the club. I’m not sure how fixable that is.

Are there many good examples of players who went from terrible runners to excellent? I’m struggling to think of many. Perhaps Petracca could be described that way? I’m hard pressed to name others.

Hopefully Reef gets there with the running because the rest of what he offers looks really promising.


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Arrived at the club off an injury impacted draft year which would have significantly impacted his tank. Not sure that it’s now anymore than building match fitness.
 
Dundalis said:
He's nothing like Swan. He's far more similar profile wise to De Goey than Swan. Impossible to project right now, because he clearly doesn't have the tank at the moment to be more than a forward/wing. His attributes both physical and technical are clearly as high as any youngster on the list though.
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DeGoey is similar to Swan. Both had power and speed. Swan gets more touches Degoey has more kicking penetration but apart from that similar players despite the waddle of Swan.
 
Nuffsaid said:
Guys like this are why I struggle with the whole ‘4th yr player X just needs time’. He can just play. Handled the jump in class comfortably. So can Nick. So can Henry. These are the types you build a future side around. Hope he is left in the line up.
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hoping this isn't off topic...I'm trying to link to what you said

This is the problem when drafting and developing a side
We're starting to realise (perhaps too late) that all players develop at different rates - the number of state-league players that are now getting an opportunity at the age of 23+ is evidence of this
As such, it's a prob - how long do you keep a guy on the list? When / will he develop? How many chances do you give them? (eg Swanny)
Gault never developed but it's clear they thought he would
McMahon, to me, looks like he has great potential - but when will his body mature? Can we wait?
You want to draft a guy before other clubs get to him but the prob is what if he doesn't develop until his 5th year and then becomes the champion you knew he was going to be - should you have just waited and drafted him years later? What if another club grabs him first?

I think it's easier for the NFL - most of the time they're drafting "older" young men (if that makes sense) so they can make decisions on them quickly once they're on the roster.

It almost means we need to go exclusively with the Reef/Nick types bc they are ready "now" and ignore the potential in players
 
Nuffsaid said:
Guys like this are why I struggle with the whole ‘4th yr player X just needs time’. He can just play. Handled the jump in class comfortably. So can Nick. So can Henry. These are the types you build a future side around. Hope he is left in the line up.
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We have a 6th year player who apparently just needs time and will miraculously develop
 
SchuPie said:
I think it's easier for the NFL - most of the time they're drafting "older" young men (if that makes sense) so they can make decisions on them quickly once they're on the roster.
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Players in the NFL still take time to learn their positions and develop within structure, but there’s no doubt they are older when drafted and essentially physically mature at the time of drafting. It’s totally different taking 18 year old school kids.
 

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TradeDraft said:
Might play bit On-Ball with Adams out with Covid vs Eagles
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I'd like to see it against the weak WC midfield. I don't think it's good to mess with Elliott's balance of time spent between mid and forward, and with both Adams and JDG out there's plenty of time to go around. Upping the midfield time of Nick Daicos, Pendlebury and Reef while taking Crisp out of the middle a bit more is what I'd do.

Maybe rotate Maynard through there too.
 
Pleasedontfail11 said:
DeGoey is similar to Swan. Both had power and speed. Swan gets more touches Degoey has more kicking penetration but apart from that similar players despite the waddle of Swan.
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De Goey doesn't have more kicking penetration than Swan. Swan could absolutely roost the thing. Swan was an elite accumulator, with a great tank, elite repeat sprints, but with relatively low hurt factor on a per possession basis compared to his peers. De Goey is literally the opposite in most of those attributes. Lots of players in the AFL have power and speed but are very different. De Goey is in the Dusty Martin category, and neither are like Swan at all, though you could say they are all similar if you looked at them superficially as just power/speed midfielders.
 

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RedmanWasHere said:
Who does GBR compare best to be it Collingwood or non Collingwood players?
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I don't think he or anyone really knows yet - there's a few ways he could go. At the moment, he's an exciting athlete with neat skills who's strong in a contest. This year, he'll probably try to play like Jamie Elliott as a forward who can hit up at the footy and then follow up at ground level contests- attending some stoppages. Long term, we're hoping he becomes a bull around stoppage.
 
Dundalis said:
De Goey doesn't have more kicking penetration than Swan. Swan could absolutely roost the thing. Swan was an elite accumulator, with a great tank, elite repeat sprints, but with relatively low hurt factor on a per possession basis compared to his peers. De Goey is literally the opposite in most of those attributes. Lots of players in the AFL have power and speed but are very different. De Goey is in the Dusty Martin category, and neither are like Swan at all, though you could say they are all similar if you looked at them superficially as just power/speed midfielders.
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General traits are similar. You're saying that is superficial which I disagree with but thats the nature of big footy. You're right that Swanny could roost the ball. I just think Degoeys kicking has a little more penetration. But come to think of it im happy to conceed that one. I could argue that Degoey would be a better kick on his left though. Both were sublime at accelerating away from stoppage, breaking tackles and that quick change in direction. I think this is what seperates both of their games from your general run of the mill midfielder.
 

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