Oppo Camp Regular Non Eagles Discussion

[Rowan18]

If interpreted to the letter, the change in ruling on the mark will significantly help teams like Geelong who short kick out of defence. However, if they go down that avenue there will be x20 50m penalties every match just because the defender took a step sideways after the player with the ball came off the mark, but the umpire hadn't yet called play on... Therefore, I see it becoming yet another of those rules that exist but get "softened" in interpretation over time, only for it to infuriate us when it is actually paid as written once every round.

As a result I don't see it impacting negatively upon pressure tactics to any great extent, those teams will likely just focus more on the prevention of opponent marks from occurring in certain areas that could benefit from this rule change.

I can foresee 6-6-6 eventually coming in at kick-ins, but the logistics of enforcing it for stoppages elsewhere will cause far too much time delay for any practical purpose and likely precipitate another wave of negative coaching as a defensive means of preventing opponents from exploiting space forward of the stoppage. Personally, I hate 6-6-6 zoning as it limits the available options for coaches and thus limits the growth of the sport.

The constant fixation with kick-ins sums up the current situation - each year we see change after change around the kick-ins as a means of opening up play etc, yet those making these changes also fail to realise that kick-ins result in just 1% of all scoring outcomes in matches.

I agree. They already made changes to kick ins that had no big impact. Why double down on a stupid idea?

Same with interchanges. Coaches have said many times that they will go defensive if their players are fatigued, as skill execution is poor under fatigue and risky disposal can lead to turn-over. This is clear in plenty of amateur sport, when you're tired the ball can't clear congestion as no-one has the power to break the lines.

These rules changes will quickly be forgotten.

 

[Chris_6678]

Afl interchanges changed our game . Now it is like basketball .
Gaff would be a superstar if he was back in the 70's like Peter Featherby was . Kennedy would have been a Dunstal , Lockett because of his accuracy . Our contested marking defenders would have also loved the 70's . They were the days my friend .
I thought they'd never end .

I always thought Masten would be a superstar if he played in a different era.

 

[woosha24]

make all the rule changes in the world but we aren't getting close to winning it unless we get some mungrel and hunger back.

You aint wrong. I havent seen any collective hunger in this side (bar one or two individuals) for the last 2 years.

Its why ive been calling us a dad club - the boys just wanna have a kick with their mates before heading to coles to pickup nappies and talcum powder for the missus on the way home. Cant risk putting your head over the ball when you're on the 2am feeds this week.

If we have to hub again next year we better not sook it up again either.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Its why ive been calling us a dad club - the boys just wanna have a kick with their mates before heading to coles to pickup nappies and talcum powder for the missus on the way home.

Sounds like fun tbh.

 

[boondy]

There may be time outs soon. More ads .
Have the kick ins with the man on the mark at the 50m . No one will want to score a point .

 

[Bender_]

I always thought Masten would be a superstar if he played in a different era.

Do you mean the future like 2050 when the game is a hybrid of AFLX and Netball?

 

[kane249]

Do you mean the future like 2050 when the game is a hybrid of AFLX and Netball?

Coca Cola may have called it back in 1992

 

[Bender_]

Coca Cola may have called it back in 1992

Was that Platten at the end?

 

[kane249]

Was that Platten at the end?

Indeed

Silver balls take AFLX back to the future

New format's silver Sherrins are a slice of advertising history

www.afl.com.au

 

[Bender_]

Indeed

Silver balls take AFLX back to the future

New format's silver Sherrins are a slice of advertising history

www.afl.com.au

*cough*dodgy external salary cap payments*cough*

 

[kane249]

*cough*dodgy external salary cap payments*cough*

Not the usual coke the players from the 80s were used to doing either

 

[Tugga27]

Probably behind a paywall, but here's the gist of it.

Top lawyer David Galbally calls for Eddie McGuire to end two-decade reign as Collingwood president

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“The Collingwood administration has lost the plot,” Galbally said.

“They seem to be lurching from one crisis to another. There is no governance to speak of at Collingwood.”

“You can be in charge of a club for far too long. It happened with Tommy Sherrin. It happened with John Elliott. There are plenty of other examples, and they all lose sight of what is going on and get consumed with the belief that the club is theirs.”

“They really need a new administration at Collingwood. Full stop,”

“Eddie needs to step down. He can’t stay there forever. He’s not there for life. And it’s not healthy for the club to have the same person serve in that role for as long as he has.”

“The presidency of the Collingwood Football Club carries with it enormous impramateur, right across the community – and it’s very hard to let go and give it away. But it’s time. The club has got to look to the future. It needs new ideas and a fresh approach.

“And that is not to say that Eddie hasn’t been a tremendous asset as president to the club.”

 

[kane249]

It's probably not the worst time for him to step away.

He's done a lot for that club in his time there, but a breath of fresh air might be good for the place.

 

[DanWCE]

I tend to agree. Eddie's wearing too many hats, and it restricts him from excelling in any one position.

 

[EaglesVille]

Eddie will keep going for a few more years and then announce a succession plan
For one of his sons to take over

 

[ghostbat12]

The problem is that players on average are far superior in their fitness now when compared to previous eras. So what tends to happen lately with reduced interchanges is that players are still covering ground but start to reduce the amount of risk in their disposal as they fatigue.

Less risk in disposal amounts to less scoring, which explains why there is a statistically strong correlation between interchanges and scoring.

So ironically, the change reducing the number of interchanges will likely have a negative impact upon scoring, which is the exact opposite of its intention.


Once again absolute muppets governing and making rule changes to a sport when they don't have any comprehension of how it is currently played.

They are avoiding the only thing that will reduce congestion - reducing number of players on field. Coaches know it. It’s old people like Caro whose opinion people put too much weight on.

 

[RookiePick]

The problem is that players on average are far superior in their fitness now when compared to previous eras. So what tends to happen lately with reduced interchanges is that players are still covering ground but start to reduce the amount of risk in their disposal as they fatigue.

Less risk in disposal amounts to less scoring, which explains why there is a statistically strong correlation between interchanges and scoring.

So ironically, the change reducing the number of interchanges will likely have a negative impact upon scoring, which is the exact opposite of its intention.


Once again absolute muppets governing and making rule changes to a sport when they don't have any comprehension of how it is currently played.

The sport that really cops the full impact of professionalism is soccer.

The total snooze fest of a game, in terms of scoring, is not anything like what it would have been when it was created. The pitch is tiny for the number of players with the aerobic capacity they have these days.

 

[ghostbat12]

The sport that really cops the full impact of professionalism is soccer.

The total snooze fest of a game, in terms of scoring, is not anything like what it would have been when it was created. The pitch is tiny for the number of players with the aerobic capacity they have these days.

The lack of scoring isn’t even discussed in the sport. Perhaps they can make goals infinitely high (and I can tell you, scoring would be a lot higher than afl).

So on that note perhaps afl should just make the goals wider since higher goals = more excitement.

 

[Dylan82]

They are avoiding the only thing that will reduce congestion - reducing number of players on field. Coaches know it. It’s old people like Caro whose opinion people put too much weight on.

Agreed there are really only two ways forward as a means of opening play, and they are both nuclear options:

1. Reduce numbers - cut down the numbers on field per team from 18 to 15 and play will open up enormously - however it may also just precipitate another wave of recruiting runners over footballers and we end up in a similar position again in 10 years' time.
2. Eliminate incorrect disposal - if you really want to reduce stoppages with a solution that doesn't just kick the can down the road, then provide players with the option of clearing possession as quickly as possible by any means - including what are currently deemed throws. The ability to hold off an opponent with one arm and offload possession with the other would revolutionise stoppages by allowing far more "clean" clearances, which have the knock-on effect of making coaches hold more players away from stoppages to defend the quick ball coming out, which in turn creates even more opportunity around stoppages. Many may hate just the thought of it, but this is actually my preferred option as it also addresses the current interpretive farce for umpires around incorrect disposal and holding the ball - without incorrect disposal, holding the ball (or calling for a reset ball-up) suddenly become very black and white and can be paid quickly, which also assists in reducing stoppage congestion from occurring.

Rather than zones, I would love to see an experiment in a lower or preseason competition conducted where incorrect disposal does not apply and see what happens. Coaching in Qld, one of the mix-up drills I would do now and again was exactly this (many of the players involved were also doing rugby league and this helped them to have some fun, bond with the team and show off their skills). It's anecdotal, but the results truly took me by surprise in how rapidly the ball ends up coming out from contests and pings from end to end. A group of 14 year old rugby schoolboys looked like the 2006 Eagles and absolutely destroyed stoppages with effectively a hybrid US-football block combined with rugby overlap that they invented on the fly. It quickly became the favourite scrimmage drill of the team and the name they gave it was "fastball", which sums it up nicely.

I have no doubt that most would be stunned by how much play opens up as a result of unrestrained disposal.

 

[DanWCE]

It would be a sad day when players can just throw the ball, but let's be real, they often already do. I wouldn't be completely against it as long as they maintained some semblance of the games history - all passes must be two hands on the ball (akin to handballing), no one handed throwing/flicking out etc, as that's just rugby.

 

[DanWCE]

There's enough smoke out there now about the AFL running both compressed fixtures and revealing blocks of the fixture weeks ahead of schedule in 2021 as opposed to a full seasons fixture revealed ahead of time that the chucking the ball thing may not even affect me.

If they're allowed to manipulate the outcomes by revealing fixtures after results have played out, including who has a compressed fixture when, I'm out. I do not trust that the AFL would use this power properly, and I see absolutely no reason for it that is of benefit to the fans.

 

[woosha24]

If they're allowed to manipulate the outcomes by revealing fixtures after results have played out, including who has a compressed fixture when, I'm out.

They already did this. Take a look at how many compressed games we played this year vs how many compressed games Richmond played, and where those fell in the season.

At the risk of going all "Vicco bias" - the AFL dont give a rats arse about fairness. They want Victorian clubs winning Victorian flags in Victoria, because thats where the most money is.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I think I’ll be done with zones.
Won’t be fun watching
Won’t be fun playing if they implement it into local footy.

 

[FKASC]

Agreed there are really only two ways forward as a means of opening play, and they are both nuclear options:

1. Reduce numbers - cut down the numbers on field per team from 18 to 15 and play will open up enormously - however it may also just precipitate another wave of recruiting runners over footballers and we end up in a similar position again in 10 years' time.
2. Eliminate incorrect disposal - if you really want to reduce stoppages with a solution that doesn't just kick the can down the road, then provide players with the option of clearing possession as quickly as possible by any means - including what are currently deemed throws. The ability to hold off an opponent with one arm and offload possession with the other would revolutionise stoppages by allowing far more "clean" clearances, which have the knock-on effect of making coaches hold more players away from stoppages to defend the quick ball coming out, which in turn creates even more opportunity around stoppages. Many may hate just the thought of it, but this is actually my preferred option as it also addresses the current interpretive farce for umpires around incorrect disposal and holding the ball - without incorrect disposal, holding the ball (or calling for a reset ball-up) suddenly become very black and white and can be paid quickly, which also assists in reducing stoppage congestion from occurring.

Rather than zones, I would love to see an experiment in a lower or preseason competition conducted where incorrect disposal does not apply and see what happens. Coaching in Qld, one of the mix-up drills I would do now and again was exactly this (many of the players involved were also doing rugby league and this helped them to have some fun, bond with the team and show off their skills). It's anecdotal, but the results truly took me by surprise in how rapidly the ball ends up coming out from contests and pings from end to end. A group of 14 year old rugby schoolboys looked like the 2006 Eagles and absolutely destroyed stoppages with effectively a hybrid US-football block combined with rugby overlap that they invented on the fly. It quickly became the favourite scrimmage drill of the team and the name they gave it was "fastball", which sums it up nicely.

I have no doubt that most would be stunned by how much play opens up as a result of unrestrained disposal.

Richmond dynasty confirmed

 

[DanWCE]

They already did this. Take a look at how many compressed games we played this year vs how many compressed games Richmond played, and where those fell in the season.

At the risk of going all "Vicco bias" - the AFL dont give a rats arse about fairness. They want Victorian clubs winning Victorian flags in Victoria, because thats where the most money is.

I'm aware they did it, and as much as it annoyed me I was happy enough to pass it off as a Covid anomaly, even though we've seen the Tigers often fall on the favourable side of such fixture quirks.

That they're now having journos write little articles to acclimatize us to this new reality is quite concerning. There will be no accountability. I'll be switching to WAFL.