Oppo Camp Regular Non Eagles Discussion

[Coasters7]

Hocking's explanation was that it opens up the 45-degree kicks that are deemed to be the most successful in opening up the play. But if the rules are channeling the ball movement in one direction, where do you think the defenders will set up? As you say, not thought through at all.

Yeah a lot of their rule changes and explanations actually make a fair bit of sense theoretically and when written down on paper.

The issue is, whoever is changing them continues to be so short sighted not to see the fact that people literally get a salary to try and exploit rules to their own teams advantage.. and whatever intention they have when the rule is changed, the reality is it won’t come close to looking like that in practice.

You would’ve thought they’d have learnt from the numerous other times it’s turned to shit. Has a rule change over the last 5 years actually helped in any way? Everyone accepts it eventually and moves on but none of it has improved the game. Half the general public can see the disaster coming from a mile off at the start of next season, so why not the guys that get paid to run the game?

 

[matt_bas]

Why would the roos do that ? They have a very good chance to get a gun Key position player . Picks 6 7 8 will have the top 4 KPPs gone and it gets a bit more speculative after that

So 2 of those picks for pick 2 isn't tempting?

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

So 2 of those picks for pick 2 isn't tempting?

Nah you would have to deal with dodoro

 

[KERRPOW]

Watching a replay of the 06 Qf live recall and gee brett jones

Brett Jones

Age

43

Ht

190cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.8

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.4

4star

had shonky disposal

and i miss the Q stick

 

[Keys]

Looks like you dragged out your mum’s old typewriter

 

[KERRPOW]

Looks like you dragged out your mum’s old typewriter

I have no idea why it did that.

Looks cool tho

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

No more mark substitution? No wonder Mason Cox

18

Mason Cox

Age

35

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

complained about the changes.

I saw that article headline with AFL star then I saw the picture of Cox and nearly spat my coffee out!!!!

 

[kane249]

North Melbourne sets objectives for new coach David Noble

“That’s our ultimate goal.”

www.sen.com.au

“Realistically, David’s got two to three years to really get us into a position where we’re competing regularly in the top four and ultimately looking to win a premiership.


“That’s our ultimate goal.”

 

[FKASC]

North Melbourne sets objectives for new coach David Noble

“That’s our ultimate goal.”

www.sen.com.au

“Realistically, David’s got two to three years to really get us into a position where we’re competing regularly in the top four and ultimately looking to win a premiership.


“That’s our ultimate goal.”

No pressure or nothin

 

[campaigner___]

North Melbourne sets objectives for new coach David Noble

“That’s our ultimate goal.”

www.sen.com.au

“Realistically, David’s got two to three years to really get us into a position where we’re competing regularly in the top four and ultimately looking to win a premiership.


“That’s our ultimate goal.”

**** having that amount of pressure... I couldn't be a coach. No way.

 

[Matera92]

North Melbourne sets objectives for new coach David Noble

“That’s our ultimate goal.”

www.sen.com.au

“Realistically, David’s got two to three years to really get us into a position where we’re competing regularly in the top four and ultimately looking to win a premiership.


“That’s our ultimate goal.”

Norf is a career killer of a club.

Who in their right mind would want to go play there?

 

[Rowan18]

North Melbourne sets objectives for new coach David Noble

“That’s our ultimate goal.”

www.sen.com.au

“Realistically, David’s got two to three years to really get us into a position where we’re competing regularly in the top four and ultimately looking to win a premiership.


“That’s our ultimate goal.”

That is just delusion. They should have hired a coach to get them through a 3-5 year rebuild. The last thing North needs is to bounce up to just outside the top 8 for a few seasons, as they will just be stalling the inevitable (which is what they did in 2018 and 2019). Take your medicine, sit in the bottom 4 for three seasons or so to get top end talent, develop them and then grab some role players via trade etc on the way up to get you back into contention. Carlton and Brisbane both showed the way to do this.

 

[FKASC]

That is just delusion. They should have hired a coach to get them through a 3-5 year rebuild. The last thing North needs is to bounce up to just outside the top 8 for a few seasons, as they will just be stalling the inevitable (which is what they did in 2018 and 2019). Take your medicine, sit in the bottom 4 for three seasons or so to get top end talent, develop them and then grab some role players via trade etc on the way up to get you back into contention. Carlton and Brisbane both showed the way to do this.

Brisbane. Jury still massively out re: Carlton

 

[Bender_]

That is just delusion. They should have hired a coach to get them through a 3-5 year rebuild. The last thing North needs is to bounce up to just outside the top 8 for a few seasons, as they will just be stalling the inevitable (which is what they did in 2018 and 2019). Take your medicine, sit in the bottom 4 for three seasons or so to get top end talent, develop them and then grab some role players via trade etc on the way up to get you back into contention. Carlton and Brisbane both showed the way to do this.

They can't afford to bottom out, they're already broke and the members/sponsors they'll lose from being dog shit for an extended period of time will make them fold. So they try to stay thereabouts instead, hovering between 7-12th in a desperate bid to stay solvent. It's actually quite beautiful to watch the ongoing mediocrity.

 

[Doashuey]

That is just delusion. They should have hired a coach to get them through a 3-5 year rebuild. The last thing North needs is to bounce up to just outside the top 8 for a few seasons, as they will just be stalling the inevitable (which is what they did in 2018 and 2019). Take your medicine, sit in the bottom 4 for three seasons or so to get top end talent, develop them and then grab some role players via trade etc on the way up to get you back into contention. Carlton and Brisbane both showed the way to do this.

Is there another Carlton Im not aware of?

 

[kane249]

Is there another Carlton Im not aware of?

 

[Spange]

North Melbourne 10 year goal: not be a rabble, have 20,009 members, not depend on the charity of the AFL to survive

Stretch Goal: Win a premiership in 3 years

 

[Rowan18]

Is there another Carlton Im not aware of?

Lol - I was being generous on Carlton. Unfortunately they will probably get better soon. Like Richmond, the AFL will froth over having them in finals, so they should expect a few legs up next year with the fixture.

 

[Brolga]

Yeah a lot of their rule changes and explanations actually make a fair bit of sense theoretically and when written down on paper.

The issue is, whoever is changing them continues to be so short sighted not to see the fact that people literally get a salary to try and exploit rules to their own teams advantage.. and whatever intention they have when the rule is changed, the reality is it won’t come close to looking like that in practice.

You would’ve thought they’d have learnt from the numerous other times it’s turned to sh*t. Has a rule change over the last 5 years actually helped in any way? Everyone accepts it eventually and moves on but none of it has improved the game. Half the general public can see the disaster coming from a mile off at the start of next season, so why not the guys that get paid to run the game?

but surely the biggest problem is that having made a poor decision, they will not rescind this before adding in further changes.
What we end up with is an accumulation of terrible decisions with more bad decisions made to try and undo the created mess

 

[bh90210fan]

Is there another professional sport in the world which changes their rules constantly like we do?

It’s like following the big bash.

 

[campaigner___]

Is there another professional sport in the world which changes their rules constantly like we do?

It’s like following the big bash.

No.

Other sports (like NBA which I follow pretty religiously) have rule changes around salaries, list sizes, coaching structure but nothing that affects game play. It's essentially been the same since it was born.

 

[Forward Press]

No.

Other sports (like NBA which I follow pretty religiously) have rule changes around salaries, list sizes, coaching structure but nothing that affects game play. It's essentially been the same since it was born.

The three point line? Goal-tending? Shot clock? Rules around getting out of the back court/keyway etc? These are all rules within the last 50 years of the sport or so.

Rules change in every sport (even the simple ones like soccer have the backpass and offside rules as relatively recent introductions compared to the age of the game) but the AFL does seem more intent on tinkering and fine-tuning. It's not necessarily a bad thing as the fundamentals are still very much there. Things like zones being drawn on the field would be a fundamental change.

 

[dewcefault]

The three point line? Goal-tending? Shot clock? Rules around getting out of the back court/keyway etc? These are all rules within the last 50 years of the sport or so.

Rules change in every sport (even the simple ones like soccer have the backpass and offside rules as relatively recent introductions compared to the age of the game) but the AFL does seem more intent on tinkering and fine-tuning. It's not necessarily a bad thing as the fundamentals are still very much there. Things like zones being drawn on the field would be a fundamental change.

All pro sports have rule changes. Whether they're safety, entertainment or technology related occasionally things have to change.
The AFL change rules / interpretations of rules unofficially on a weekly basis and officially almost every season. Whilst individually most of these don't fundamentally change the fabric of the game, collectively it's amateurish. Even kids in the playground don't change rules this often.

You shouldn't have to study up on a plethora of new rules every season like it's a new season of a mobile game nor should you have to watch the first 2 games of the week to work out what rule they'll be highlighting.

 

[Bender_]

The three point line? Goal-tending? Shot clock? Rules around getting out of the back court/keyway etc? These are all rules within the last 50 years of the sport or so.

Rules change in every sport (even the simple ones like soccer have the backpass and offside rules as relatively recent introductions compared to the age of the game) but the AFL does seem more intent on tinkering and fine-tuning. It's not necessarily a bad thing as the fundamentals are still very much there. Things like zones being drawn on the field would be a fundamental change.

Except when the AFL do it, it's yearly and I'm fairly confident the meeting starts with the question "So what changes can we make that will generate more revenue?"

 

[Forward Press]

All pro sports have rule changes. Whether they're safety, entertainment or technology related occasionally things have to change.
The AFL change rules / interpretations of rules unofficially on a weekly basis and officially almost every season. Whilst individually most of these don't fundamentally change the fabric of the game, collectively it's amateurish. Even kids in the playground don't change rules this often.

You shouldn't have to study up on a plethora of new rules every season like it's a new season of a mobile game nor should you have to watch the first 2 games of the week to work out what rule they'll be highlighting.

Except when the AFL do it, it's yearly and I'm fairly confident the meeting starts with the question "So what changes can we make that will generate more revenue?"

Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree with the premise of both of your posts and do sort of hope the tinkering stops for a while. The yearly obsession with rule changes is annoying and I don't think it's achieving what the AFL wants - more attractive and attacking football.