Oppo Camp Regular Non Eagles Discussion

[RookiePick]

English, ouch that was flush on the button

Friendly fire!

 

[Dylan82]

Oof. Naughton flying knee to English's jaw - out stone cold before hitting the floor...

 

[Mulldogg]

Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

25

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

’s hands in close are absolutely elite.

 

[FKASC]

Tom Green’s hands in close are absolutely elite.

Lachie Ash looks like a very good flanker/outside mid too

 

[Bender_]

 

[Mulldogg]

Lachie Ash looks like a very good flanker/outside mid too

Yeah has cleaned up on the fantasy score tonight. 144 and counting.

 

[ep2018]

Richmond are going to tear them apart.

 

[Bender_]

Richmond are going to tear them apart.

13 tries to 10

 

[KERRPOW]

Oof. Naughton flying knee to English's jaw - out stone cold before hitting the floor...

Looked similar to halls punch in staker

 

[ep2018]

13 tries to 10

Sorry I'm a bit drunk tonight, I don't get the reference?

 

[Moose1414]

My brain child to 'fix' the AFL is:

Take 4 of the Victorian clubs and relocate them/give their license to other states. I don't really care who it is, but the numbers suggest it would probably be North, St. Kilda, WB, and the last one is a bit harder to choose. For arguments sake, lets say it's Carlton.

This paves the way for 2 new WA teams and 2 new SA teams. Again, whether that be relocation or giving the license up and bringing teams out of the WAFL/SANFL, I'm not too fussed about.

Gold Coast get relocated to Tasmania.

The result of this is:
6 clubs remaining in Victoria. 4 clubs in the other two major AFL markets, WA and SA. 2 clubs in NSW, one in QLD, and one in Tassie.

Participation in Queensland is actually quite good currently. Folding/relocating GC would be a huge mistake.

I don't often weigh in on discussions these days but do still enjoy keeping an eye on the match day thread for the drama. Quite interested on the whole expansion dilemma the AFL finds itself in though, have some opinions is anyones is interested:

1. Tasmania is overdue its own team and the AFL can't reduce the amount of teams or games [or even keep it the same] given the competition is an entertainment product underwritten by broadcast rights and bums on seats. Therefore it has to expand.

2. As much as I hate everything there is to hate about Andrew Demetrio the one thing he understood correctly is that Sydney and Southern Queensland [particularly the latter] have too much population to ignore.

3. The competition can't be a truly a national competition without a team based in the Northern Territory.

4. You can't run a professional sport of this size without full-time professional umpires.

5. There is too much money to be made out of the finals series for it to be a best of 8 format with the 2 best sides having byes and sitting on the sidelines for half the final series.

6. The commitment to the MCG granny and the AFL's investment into docklands essentially mandates that Melbourne must do both of keep all its teams and greatly increase its revenue. The profitability of any of Norf, Melbourne, St Kilda, Hawks, Bulldogs has to be viewed at a more holistic level, where it should be akwnowledged that you can't really have the big clubs of Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon, Carlton without the other melbourne clubs in the competition for those teams to play "away" games against throughout the season, these VFL games are a significant proportion of AFL revenue that can't be hollowed out by relocating clubs and games away from their fans.

What I would like to see happen is:

1. A Darwin based team. It would most likely need to always play at night, which aside from the practical reasons weather wise would actually be essential for it to maximise attendance in a small town and maximise its exposure nationally through broadcast. I'd think it would be needless to say we'd see any Darwin based list with the highest indigenous representation of any previous AFL list, and it would be a really nice to see the first indigenous senior coach getting a gig here. Hard not to see a Darwin based side with an indigenous head coach doing for more for the many indigenous causes than any other AFL initiative. AFL should put its money where its mouth is and make this happen.

2. Not one, but two, Tassy teams. I know it seems ridiculous but honestly it just solves too many problems not to be a good idea. Every other state has 2 teams and its the rivalry between those teams that drives a lot of the emotional investment of the local fans. Tasmanians aren't going to support a Melbourne transplant, so need at minimum their own team- which would obviously need to be based in Hobart. Having a Launceston based team eventually would be inevitable at that point so just bite the bullet from the beginning and save the northern Tasmanians the wait. Two is better than one in a state that is a traditional football state, I can't see the Tasmania thing working without going this route and highly suspect that the reason we've never seen and AFL club down there is there has been too many compromises that had to be made in going with a one team implementation.

3. Leave WA, SA, QLD alone. 2 is the right number here.

4. 2 is not the right number for Sydney. Its just too big a city and GWS is just too irrelevant to Sydney supporters to generate enough of the emotional investment you see in the other states. There needs to be a 3rd club in the mix here to give ALF in the heart of NSW something unique and interesting and attract more interest from casually interested/footy agnostic Sydneysiders. 3 teams is a more intriguing dynamic, makes Sydney feel less inferior to Melbourne in their perpetual dick measuring contest. I would favour a northern beaches team. Sydney is also in desperate need of an Optus like stadium and in need of a better business case in order to make that happen. The new team and Sydney would share the new stadium so that it hosts games every week, with GWS imitating Geelong and splitting their games between the marquee stadium and their own thing out is the sticks.

5. 22 teams, 21 round Home and Away season. Everyone plays each other once. With perhaps 1 extra round for cash reasons, a rivalry round for derby and the like. Given its expanding the comp by 4 teams thats a lot more games per round to schedule so Thursday and Monday night football becomes a staple.

6. New finals format. Top 10. Many ways for it to work but I reckon top 2 get rewarded somehow, with maybe a week off, 3-6th get a double chance, 7-10th sudden death. Maybe no bye before finals, first week off for 1 and 2, next 8 teams play off like current system with the top ranked teams able to drop a game and play on, bottom ranked teams elimination final.

7. Adding 4 squads of players changes the game a whole lot, and it would seem like there would not be enough athletes to step up to the level without a drop off in quality. But honestly, how shit is the state of the modern game anyway? Maybe having more players and bigger lists is a good thing, I strongly suspect that sitting just bellow the level of professional athletes getting drafted into the afl on there athletic ability there are probably hundreds of kids with superior skills missing out because they aren't the next Andrew Gaff. I say lets just not worry about this and embrace bulk Andrew McGovern and Willie Rioli and Liam Ryans not having to win the rookie or senior draftee lotto and just getting a chance in the system from the start. The game moves where coaches take it based of the players they have on their list, I suspect that more clubs more draftee's is only going to give the coaches more options and somewhat counterintuitively the game will evolve into something better, with greater diversity of tactics and systems giving rise to more contrasting styles. Think more Eagles vs Richmond battle of the purist vs antithesis of football type matches.

8. ALF house pull rank over the AFLPA and impose some draconian measures capping the earning potential on the games stars. Pay the rookies and draftee's more, pay the Andrew Gaffs less. Free agency is great and all, and there should be more player movement in midseason drafts as well, but the comp can't sustain the temptation to reward overrated spuds million dollar contracts where equalisation measures like the draft and a salary cap exist. Pay the bottom end of the squad more, limit whats possible at the high end. Its a team sport, 500k a season for a match winning talent is doing well at life for a young bloke, 750 a season is fine too, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a player who's truly worth a million a season in this game let alone every second half decent free agent thinking its the highest goal of his career to switch clubs for a huge payday. Collingwood have proven to everyone that common sense needs to prevail, step in and put in caps so that expansion clubs aren't existing just to be feeders of high end draft picks back to big clubs for more more money than they are worth.

9. Make umpires full time, pay them more money. Get more young Andrew Gaffs becoming umpires and enjoying 20 year careers blowing whistles on the greatest stage on earth for 100k a year, leave the footballing to the Willie Rioli's of the world.

Spend the cash upfront, who the **** can be arsed waiting until 2050 for the competition to look like this. Its been 35 years since the "AFL" started and its still basically VFL plus. Adding GWS and GCS did bugger all to change anything, and arguably made the game worse. The incremental approach doesn't work, we're consumers of a product and we want the best product NOW. Use the post cover economy to overreach with ambition, waste a billion dollars if necessary. Everybody knows that money basically does just grow on trees and corporations as important to the nation as the AFL are too big to fail anyway. Have some vision. Whats the worse that can happen from trying?

 

[Bender_]

Sorry I'm a bit drunk tonight, I don't get the reference?

Both teams are chuckers.

 

[ep2018]

Its looking like another season where Richmond will power through the finals, I just hope we're at the pointy end too, I think we're the only team that can beat them. The dogs might look good now but they will falter against the tigers next week and if they meet at any time in September imo. They have a good midfield, but you need more than a good midfield to beat them, you need a decent defence and attack too.

 

[Ochre]

Sorry I'm a bit drunk tonight, I don't get the reference?

at least you tried

 

[DanWCE]

There has been some incredible walls of text tonight.

 

[DanWCE]

There's been two. I haven't read either of them.

 

[Bender_]

There's been two. I haven't read either of them.

Save it for your AGB (after grog bog).

 

[DanWCE]

Wouldn't mind Trevor Gleeson coming in for Parto Simmo.

Wildcats know how to close it out in the 4th!

 

[TY24]

Wouldn't mind Trevor Gleeson coming in for Parto Simmo.

Wildcats know how to close it out in the 4th!

How was the 5 point play from Cotton!

 

[jesterwester]

Watching Toby Greene

4

Toby Greene

Age

32

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

with ball in hand reminds me so much of Ben Cousins. That ability to shrug through tackles, pick the right option and when he gets clear, to kick goals. Hes not super quick but he’s just so hard to catch. He’s a star.

 

[Selurs]

What I would like to see happen is:

Not sure if drunk or troll. Either way, gotta respect the stamina to type all that out!

 

[Selurs]

Its looking like another season where Richmond will power through the finals

Isn't it great how the way a team starts the year directly corresponds to how it finishes? I mean, just ask Geelong. They've been April premiers most of the last five or six years, so no wonder they've won all those flags...

 

[Keys]

Isn't it great how the way a team starts the year directly corresponds to how it finishes? I mean, just ask Geelong. They've been April premiers most of the last five or six years, so no wonder they've won all those flags...

Ladder position after H&A of eventual premier :

2020 - Richmond 3rd
2019 - Richmond 3rd
2018 - West Coast 2nd
2017 - Richmond 3rd
2016 - Bulldogs 7th
2015 - Hawthorn 3rd
2014 - Hawthorn 2nd
2013 - Hawthorn 1st
2012 - Sydney 3rd
2011 - Geelong 2nd
2010 - Collingwood 1st
2009 - Geelong 2nd
2008 - Hawthorn 2nd
2007 - Geelong 1st
2006 - West Coast 1st
2005 - Sydney 3rd
2004 - Port Adelaide 1st
2003 - Brisbane 3rd
2002 - Brisbane 2nd
2001 - Brisbane 2nd

Last 20 years -
1st - 5 premiers
2nd - 7 premiers
3rd - 7 premiers
4th, 5th, 6th - donuts
7th - 1 premier

On 8 occasions the minor premier has made the GF and lost

 

[Rowan18]

Any link? would love to watch haha

Here it is. I forgot how good it was. They put him between Carey and Watson, both players he had smashed in his playing days. They walk on eggshells all interview. He comes out swinging against the AFL and umpires bullshit inconsistency.

 

[ziad]

Sorry I'm a bit drunk tonight, I don't get the reference?

Somebody will throw you a hint