Reserves to Return

[MaddAdam]

plus millions of dollars from other club's coffers

Actually, none from other clubs.

From the AFL sure, but we're hardly alone there.

 

[Geoffa32]

Our club is wanting our own Reserves team. There is some speculation that we may join the VFL by 2015 with an AFC Reserves side.


This concept would be perfect for us to join.

 

[Synth]

Gee, We split form our VFL affiliates at the end of 2012 and the whole thing falls apart.

Oops

 

[sTeeL]

Expand team lists to 55.
National reserves competition with every reserves team playing curtain raisers to their senior team.
Throw a few more handouts to those teams in financial hardship.

Kgo AFL

 

[MarkT2]

Can the AFL pick up the tab for a Vic only competition - surely the clubs would have to pay their way?

What about also funding the 2 WA & SA club teams in the WAFL & SANFL and doing something for Qld & NSW?

 

[Dont be a lemon]

Some of you should accept 'curtain raisers' are never coming back...

 

[Ant_]

I doubt Western Oval or Arden Street would meet health and safety for paying customers in the hundreds or low thousands - access to toilets etc. Great surfaces to train/play on though.

Williamstown has played games at Whitten Oval this year already.

 

[MaddAdam]

Williamstown has played games at Whitten Oval this year already.

I stand corrected.

 

[damochandler]

is there any chance it become a national comp

 

[bugalugs213]

And why did the AFL reserves system go down the shitter in the first place?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Critical mass being the majority of Vic clubs.

Are they willing to pay the bills for the other clubs? Or do they expect the AFL to cover those costs? And what if eight other clubs also demand in to this reserves comp?

 

[Hawkers]

Expand team lists to 55.
National reserves competition with every reserves team playing curtain raisers to their senior team.
Throw a few more handouts to those teams in financial hardship.

Kgo AFL

hmm, I understand that current lists are 42. Is that correct?
22 + 22 = 44. Thats 11 players on the list that aren't getting a regular game (barring injury). What comp would those players play in that don't make the 1st or reserves team?

Also will the salary cap increase to pay these extra 13 players? If so where will the money come from?
As I understand it there are more than a few clubs already struggling with debt

If they don't expand the cap to deal with extra players on the list that means there is going to be a pay cut for existing players across the league.
Good luck getting that through

 

[UpForGrabs]

What about also funding the 2 WA & SA club teams in the WAFL & SANFL and doing something for Qld & NSW?

Dockers and Eagles have been trying to get teams in the WAFL for the past two years. WAFL clubs have told them to GAGF.

 

[TradeDraft]

This what the VFL/VFA Fans Think:

http://www.vflfooty.com/node/8055

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Dockers and Eagles have been trying to get teams in the WAFL for the past two years. WAFL clubs have told them to GAGF.

Fair enough too. It would make a mockery of the competition. Harlem Globetrotters v Washington Generals. Hence the dilemma. How do you fairly manage AFL lists?

 

[millsy29gopies]

And why did the AFL reserves system go down the shitter in the first place?

Jackson. Wayne Jackson.

 

[The_Wookie]

Critical mass of what....5-6 Vic clubs? And do they all have grounds?

Theres still 3-4 Melbourne clubs who probably cant afford it and then another 8 interstate clubs who will want a piece of the action.

Its not that simple.

Geelong (standalone) - yes, already out of kardinia park
Collingwood (standalone) - yes, already playing out of vic park
Carlton (virtually standalone) - yes, out of princes park and preston
Essendon (standalone next year) - yes, out of windy hill

Its known that St Kilda want to return to Moorabin, Richmond want to return to Punt road, its Williamstown who want to break the alignment with the dogs, and they have whitten oval in any case. Hawthorn practically fund Box Hill anyway so funding a standalone team wouldnt be an issue - the likely hood of that being used to expand tassie interests would be high you'd suspect. Which leaves North.

QLD and NSW clubs are happily competing in the NEAFL and neither want nor need a new reserves comp. The WA and SA clubs would want in but would their controlling leagues be willing to pay the cost - and Port cannot afford it at this time. Would Victorian clubs want the added cost of traveling and accomodation insterstate for reserves?

 

[boncer34]

22 + 22 = 44. Thats 11 players on the list that aren't getting a regular game (barring injury).

You've said barring injury but I still think you're underestimating it. I will offer you any odds you want on all 55 members of any team being available for just one week if that eventuated.

 

[The_Wookie]

hmm, I understand that current lists are 42. Is that correct?
22 + 22 = 44. Thats 11 players on the list that aren't getting a regular game (barring injury). What comp would those players play in that don't make the 1st or reserves team?

Also will the salary cap increase to pay these extra 13 players? If so where will the money come from?
As I understand it there are more than a few clubs already struggling with debt

If they don't expand the cap to deal with extra players on the list that means there is going to be a pay cut for existing players across the league.
Good luck getting that through

The AFLPA wants the rookie list gone - bringing player numbers to 48 per side. Throw another 2 in, with top ups to come from the TAC and its not as hard as you think.

 

[Hawkers]

You've said barring injury but I still think you're underestimating it. I will offer you any odds you want on all 55 members of any team being available for just one week if that eventuated.

The AFLPA wants the rookie list gone - bringing player numbers to 48 per side. Throw another 2 in, with top ups to come from the TAC and its not as hard as you think.

Ok, now where will the monry come from. The AFL aren't a bottomless pit.

Say you need an extra 11 players on your list. Average senior listed player not rookie (as you've given up rookies Wookie) earns about 200K isn't it?

Thats an extra 2.2 million - clubs can't afford that.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

This what the VFL/VFA Fans Think:

http://www.vflfooty.com/node/8055

They have fans?

 

[SpeciousArgument]

Ok, now where will the monry come from. The AFL aren't a bottomless pit.

Say you need an extra 11 players on your list. Average senior listed player not rookie (as you've given up rookies Wookie) earns about 200K isn't it?

Thats an extra 2.2 million - clubs can't afford that.

The extra players youre bringing in wouldnt be on an average afl wage, they would be at the low end

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Fair enough too. It would make a mockery of the competition. Harlem Globetrotters v Washington Generals. Hence the dilemma. How do you fairly manage AFL lists?

We will see how they feel when they steal the cream of players and place them on non AFL reserves lists.

 

[Tas]

Hmmm, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the AFL in their all powerful wisdom disband the reserves and U19s and cut lists back because it was unfair advantage to Victorian clubs? Why would the AFL change on this now?

 

[Kwality]

Hmmm, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the AFL in their all powerful wisdom disband the reserves and U19s and cut lists back because it was unfair advantage to Victorian clubs? Why would the AFL change on this now?

Happy to correct you.