Opinion Round 12 Changes vs. Adelaide

[Crippa]

I'd continue but it's awfully hot in here all of a sudden.

 

[slicedndiced]

I'd continue but it's awfully hot in here all of a sudden.

It got a bit warm here too!!

 

[freoextra]

I think it is a bit unrealistic to have high expectations of Sheridan. Still lots of time, and the 2011 draft looks pretty weak so far and has not produced many players who are having a big impact yet. We could have chosen better than Sheridan, but the odds are that we would have chosen someone worse if we went for an alternative.

Anyway, that's all irrelevant to whether he should be getting a game or not. If Sylvia, Morabito, DeBoer and Clancee were firing, then it would be clear that Sheridan is out. But for now, we can probably carry him and still get the wins on the board, so it doesn't really bother me too much if he gets a few more games.

Pretty well agree with your arguments about vanilla man (is that his nickname now!!).

Several players on the list could be adding more than Sheridan at the moment including Ibbo, who is a monty to stay in now (not quite sure of what position nowadays though).

He is too easily pushed or held off the ball at the moment to be best 22, but what I really like about his future is that he is a beautiful kick to a leading forward and just a really good kick in general. Don't under estimate this skill, too many players have been coach killers by having good overall skills but very average kicking skills which equals turnovers. Have a look at Sheridan on the run, he is a precision kick.

 

[clogged]

Ibbotson's a good comparison though - drafted in 2005 he took three seasons to cement himself in the side, albeit a much worse side than the one running around now.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Easy, when Hill kicked the sealer in the Qualifying final against Geelong last year one of our players makes a extended and powerful gut run off halfback which enabled him to be there to force the defender to have to choose between guarding space and closing Hill down. He then dropped in to sheppard Hill's chaser. It might not be a banana on the run from 50 on the boundary but it was damn good footy in a high pressure situation.
He may not be your contested footy cup of tea but he has good skills, a big tank and most importantly knows when to get on his bike. I hope both he and Crozier turn out to be better than average players for someone taken around their position in the draft, at the moment to me from what I have seen it looks like they will both have solid careers. Thats not the same as being below par.

I would use the exact same passage of play to illustrate my frustration with Tommy's lack of footy nous.

When Hill breaks into open space, Sheridan could have (a) run toward Hill to shepherd Christensen or to give the option of a handball or (b) sprint to ward goal to give a short kick option for Hill. Sheridan instead jogged slowly whilst flailing his arms about despite clearly not being in a position where anyone in their right mind would kick to.

Great example. The kid has a lot to learn.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I would use the exact same passage of play to illustrate my frustration with Tommy's lack of footy nous.

When Hill breaks into open space, Sheridan could have (a) run toward Hill to shepherd Christensen or to give the option of a handball or (b) sprint to ward goal to give a short kick option for Hill. Sheridan instead jogged slowly whilst flailing his arms about despite clearly not being in a position where anyone in their right mind would kick to.

Great example. The kid has a lot to learn.

You are being very harsh, Christensen was not within 20m of Hill as Fyfe had already shepherded him. Sheridan ran away from the other Fremantle player who was on the far wing to stop the one cats defender from manning them both up and provided a kicking option should Stephen want to kick straight away.

Once it was clear Hill would not pass to him, he shepherded him.

 

[FootyFanForLyf]

Backline was relentless on the weekend. Shut down the Dogs with all entries. Especially in the 40m straight front area, clogged it up well.

 

[slicedndiced]

You are being very harsh, Christensen was not within 20m of Hill as Fyfe had already shepherded him. Sheridan ran away from the other Fremantle player who was on the far wing to stop the one cats defender from manning them both up and provided a kicking option should Stephen want to kick straight away.

Once it was clear Hill would not pass to him, he shepherded him.

Have you played much footy bro?

Where he ran to was exactly the wrong option.

WTF he was doing flailing his arms like Cox, when Hill was at full pace and in the clear is beyond me.

What pavsbootlace said was spot on. The kid has a heap to learn and lacks natural footy nous.

 

[Paracleet]

Well I have played footy and I don't care to have my opinion denigrated in such an offhand fashion. Your and pavsbootlicker view is blinded by your prejudice. He ran to the correct position to either receive or force the defender to make a decision about what he was going to do. Where else should he run? The fat side out of range? Straight off the ground without passing go to retire since he is clearly crap?

 

[believe_it]

Well I have played footy and I don't care to have my opinion denigrated in such an offhand fashion. Your and pavsbootlicker view is blinded by your prejudice. He ran to the correct position to either receive or force the defender to make a decision about what he was going to do. Where else should he run? The fat side out of range? Straight off the ground without passing go to retire since he is clearly crap?

I agree with you on this - he ran into the correct area - Hilly just didn't take the option. As far as having his arms in the air uummm that's what all AFL footballers do when they are leading. It's purpose is to get the attention of the player in possession. The criticism on here about him regarding this play is ridiculous.

It's quite ironical because barely 3 or so seasons ago the other player in the video - the one kicking the goal - had a thread bagging the shit out of him.

 

[slicedndiced]

Well I have played footy and I don't care to have my opinion denigrated in such an offhand fashion. Your and pavsbootlicker view is blinded by your prejudice. He ran to the correct position to either receive or force the defender to make a decision about what he was going to do. Where else should he run? The fat side out of range? Straight off the ground without passing go to retire since he is clearly crap?

Prejudice? Nah, it's a judgement call. I don't do prejudice.

So with a streaming Hill, at full pace, with oodles of space and a direct line to goal, you reckon that he should park his arse in his direct line to goal 50 metres out and demand the ball?

Nah. Run like f*** toward the goal, or the opposite way to pressure the chaser. But don't just stand there.

He offered Hill zero option and zero protection.

Mind you, I have highlighted another similar incident before, where he had the ball, had 3 clear options, and still picked option 4 which was bloody ordinary.

The point we are making is that he lacks natural footy nous and only looks the goods when he is under no pressure.

 

[couldhavebeen]

Not that it matters, but not me. I find how much you criticize Sheridan difficult to understand. I'll have a sportsmen bet with you that Sheridan will play 150 AFL games. Again, I think your expectations for a player who is yet to turn 21 significantly off base. Agree to disagree though. I think he is tracking really well and I've been really impressed when I've seen him play for Peel. I was at the game where he had 23 possession in less than 50% ground time, and in that game he definitely showed elite acceleration to break away from congestion and then kick the ball superbly into the forward fifty. I definitely had the feeling 'geez that kid will be awesome in a year or two' when I watched him play.

Im surprised that there has not been more attention on Spurr and his form in this thread. He seems massively down on confidence in both his marking and his kicking. Again, yesterday he turned the ball over a couple of times in the first quarter. The Bulldogs didn't hurt us on the scoreboard, but the better teams will if he continues his recent form. Im a massive fan of Spurr BTW, but I think he would benefit from a couple of games at Peel to regain confidence. It would not be a massive surprise to me if he was dropped this week, with Sylvia to come into the team and either Sheridan or Crozier to play the sub role.

Sherrif I agree with you 100% on Spurr 's form at the present time . He doesn't lower the eyes when he is coming out of defence and is trying to kick the ball to anyone who's 40 meters plus up the ground that is giving a lead with a player on their shoulder or he just basts away to an opposition player on their own .He maybe feeling the pressure due to a form slump but I'm prepared to give him another couple of games to find it ' If no improvement Ibbo will get his spot and he will have to play a few Peel games to get his mojo back.
All the talk on Sheridan not being a star player or trade bait is crazy . This kid has done everything the coaches have asked of him and more , he's added weight and strength to a very light frame since he was drafted , he has improve his fitness and maintained his speed over the ground .
Let me remind you all of Fyfe's build when he was drafted and how long it took him to develop his body to the beast he has become .
Sheridan is not in Fyfe's league when it comes down to pure talent but he has the makings of a better than average footballer .
Sheridan is well above WAFL level that's for sure and he won't leave any stone unturned to prove to the coaches or his team mates that he belongs in our team .

 

[slicedndiced]

All the talk on Sheridan not being a star player or trade bait is crazy . This kid has done everything the coaches have asked of him and more , he's added weight and strength to a very light frame since he was drafted , he has improve his fitness and maintained his speed over the ground .

Yet his footy hasn't improved one iota. He is the same player he was last season.

Which is ok in itself, he is handy. But even some incremental improvement would be good.

Let me remind you all of Fyfe's build when he was drafted and how long it took him to develop his body to the beast he has become .
Sheridan is not in Fyfe's league when it comes down to pure talent but he has the makings of a better than average footballer .

Based on what exactly?

Sheridan is well above WAFL level that's for sure and he won't leave any stone unturned to prove to the coaches or his team mates that he belongs in our team .

There you go again, speaking like you actually know this. It's a bad habit.

 

[couldhavebeen]

I would use the exact same passage of play to illustrate my frustration with Tommy's lack of footy nous.

When Hill breaks into open space, Sheridan could have (a) run toward Hill to shepherd Christensen or to give the option of a handball or (b) sprint to ward goal to give a short kick option for Hill. Sheridan instead jogged slowly whilst flailing his arms about despite clearly not being in a position where anyone in their right mind would kick to.

Great example. The kid has a lot to learn.

Bull Shit ,
Sherridan was doing exactly the right thing offering a lead into space and then when the offer was not accepted gave a good shepherd .The arms were waving at get Hilly's attention .
What would have been worse would have been if he didn't try to get Hills attention and went the full blown hip and shoulder on Christensen risking a free kick .

 

[Kram]

Not wanting to rip into the bloke but Sheridan ended up to about the about the worst position possible in that piece of play for Hill's goal, I'm no tactics expert and was a very ordinary player but find it hard to understand how anyone could see otherwise.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

I agree, that particular passage of play was ordinary. Hardly an indicator of true potential though.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Yeah it's pretty clear to this big girl's blouse that Sherro ran in the way of Hill blocking his run/look at goal, then ran around in front of him then to the Cats player to try and make it look like he was blocking. Ordinary. Should have ran straight at goal if he wanted to be a passing option. He trains with Hill all the time, should know what he's like to do (run acres, kick 50+ goals on the reg).

 

[couldhavebeen]

Yet his footy hasn't improved one iota. He is the same player he was last season.

Which is ok in itself, he is handy. But even some incremental improvement would be good.




Based on what exactly?



There you go again, speaking like you actually know this. It's a bad habit.

Ive watched him train and watched him having discussions with coaches and then go out there hard at it .
I had a talk with Roger about how he is going and he has impressed everyone at Frem with endeavour to improve and his work ethic in the off season .
When you get a chance to get up close to him have a good hard look at his muscle development Sliced , this kid as added a minimum of 3 to4 Kgs of muscle on his frame from last year .He constantly is talking to senior players asking for advise during training .

 

[Ragtooth]

I think we should step away from that passage of play...I think Sheridan is coming along nicely and will fit into the AFL system nicely. He's not likely to set the world one fire like Fyfe but in an ordinary draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_AFL_Draft) we did well...only the likes of Brad Hill have been popular of the available players!

I think the signs are there, sheridan, sutty, crozier are all earning a game quite early on in their careers and i think that's a good sign.

 

[slicedndiced]

Ive watched him train and watched him having discussions with coaches and then go out there hard at it .
I had a talk with Roger about how he is going and he has impressed everyone at Frem with endeavour to improve and his work ethic in the off season .
When you get a chance to get up close to him have a good hard look at his muscle development Sliced , this kid as added a minimum of 3 to4 Kgs of muscle on his frame from last year .He constantly is talking to senior players asking for advise during training .

Geez you're a patronising dick sometimes coulda.

I was up close and personal with him a few weeks back and he has put on a few kilo's. AS HE SHOULD HAVE. So what?

He's impressed coaches in the off season. AS HE SHOULD HAVE. So what??

He's asking for advice from senior players, AS HE SHOULD BE. So what?

I was talking about his football, which you conveniently ignored, and where has he improved from last season?

 

[slicedndiced]

Bull Shit ,
Sherridan was doing exactly the right thing offering a lead into space and then when the offer was not accepted gave a good shepherd .The arms were waving at get Hilly's attention .

Yeah. Offering a lead on the 50 to the fastest guy on the team with a deadly left foot from +55. Faarrk me.

What would have been worse would have been if he didn't try to get Hills attention and went the full blown hip and shoulder on Christensen risking a free kick

You do understand that you can shepherd and block without giving away a free kick, yes?

Stop making shit up. You're drunk again.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

There's no meat left on that bone, Bushie. It was one poor decision. You sound like he's keeping one of your own kids from getting a game, but reality is he's better than what's available to replace him (at the moment). Unless you want to see this:
OUT: Sheridan
IN: Sylvia

 

[slicedndiced]

There's no meat left on that bone, Bushie. It was one poor decision. You sound like he's keeping one of your own kids from getting a game, but reality is he's better than what's available to replace him (at the moment). Unless you want to see this:
OUT: Sheridan
IN: Sylvia

Disagree. I'd quite easily give Grey a game ahead of both of them.

 

[sherrif]

Disagree. I'd quite easily give Grey a game ahead of both of them.

I don't think Brady Grey is even close to being close to the level of player Sherro is at the moment. At WAFL level Grey has often started a game well and then gone completely missing for three quarters in games this year.
Just for the record while I cant say Sherro leaves 'every stone unturned', I can say he pushes himself at training as much as any young kid I can remember. Last preseason he was often one of the last to leave the track on a regular bases and after completing goal kicking at the end of the main session he would run a ton of extra laps. His work ethic is actually the main reason I think he will make it. The most likely selection result this week will be no changes with the Peel team not playing for two weeks. Id have Ibbo in the 21 and Sheridan sub.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Bull Shit ,
Sherridan was doing exactly the right thing offering a lead into space and then when the offer was not accepted gave a good shepherd .The arms were waving at get Hilly's attention .
What would have been worse would have been if he didn't try to get Hills attention and went the full blown hip and shoulder on Christensen risking a free kick .

OK. Answer me honestly, Coulda.

1. Back in your day, when you were leading into space, were your arms (a) pumping back and forth by your sides like Usain Bolt, (b) pointing to the place you wanted your mate to kick it to, or (c) doing a Dean Cox impression?