Autopsy Round 22 = Hawthorn 110-46 Collingwood

[Kilmo]

Reading this thread - our team looks tired and slow, and hampered by untimely injuries to key players, and it’s because Fly was arrogant in resting veterans.

I’m checking out

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

We will make the top 4, and win week 1. no problem.

Yep then win again next year and year after that

 

[No SPIN]

What are you taking?

If a club's history against another club is irrelevant why do fans of the Carlton and Collingwood football clubs slavishly follow the historical tally which now sees us pushing out a nice lead after a period when we trailed. Eddie McGuire is one such avid supporter who constantly references this win loss battle. It matters. Why bother playing in a competitive competition if win/loss records don't matter?

We lead 135 to 129 with 4 draws.

That aside- if you are not in any way bothered by the terrible record our club has in the past 50 years against Hawthorn, that is your prerogative- but I have now clearly articulated how bad our record against Hawthorn under Fly is right here and now, and for some strange, incomprehensible reason you pretend I have said our record over the past five decades is the reason for our recent losses.

The Crows fans are acutely aware of the hold we have had over their club for quite some time albeit with victories which are far less humiliating, we have kept finding a way to pip them in tight contests. Tell them that is of no consequence. I often go on their board when we are going to play them and I see endless references to our win loss advantage over them.

I am sure I will see more of the same in the lead up to our game next Saturday.

How can you pretend a club's history is of no consequence to fans? Perhaps we should scrap premiership tallies as they tend to delve back into the distant past.

Maybe you could tell Pies' fans who still feel heartbroken over the countless grand final losses they have witnessed, often in heartbreaking circumstances over the past 6 or 7 decades to stop living in the past or those losses are irrelevant to our club because they were a while ago now.

The decades long hold the Hawks have over our club is very relevant to those who have endured it and are tired of it. Two total strangers who chatted with me on the walk out of the G both brought up that record before I did and we expressed our disbelief at how long this problem has endured.

Like I said your historical trauma is not the Club’s or player’s problem.
You need to get over it.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Who's your dealer?

Fadge

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Timokane
Pies win next week
Or maybe?
Make top 4
Open up the door hear the mighty roar
Put Brisbane on the floor
Everybody on the floor on the floor
Where's Darcy Moore

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Darcy Moore

Age

29

Ht

203cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

169.1

3star

D

13.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

0.7

1star

MG

182.0

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

87.4

2star

 

[TradeDraft]

Reading this thread - our team looks tired and slow, and hampered by untimely injuries to key players, and it’s because Fly was arrogant in resting veterans.

I’m checking out

We look a Very Old and Slow Team

 

[manicpie]

We look a Very Old and Slow Team

We kind of are

 

[Brad Goodman]

OK last one - Darcy Cameron got his butt kicked

I wonder if he’s conflicted in his mind knowing he’s not worth anywhere near what he’s asking.

 

[BillyElliott]

We look a Very Old and Slow Team

But, but, but we were wrong to manage our older players

 

[Brad Goodman]

Thank God he’s ok other than the concussion.

Still selfishly worried he’ll not want to go around again next year now.

He seems the most likely to go without needing to be tapped on the shoulder, which sucks because he’s the only elder statesman I’d keep on for reasons other than sentimentality.

 

[YouBeauty]

If a club's history against another club is irrelevant why do fans of the Carlton and Collingwood football clubs slavishly follow the historical tally which now sees us pushing out a nice lead after a period when we trailed. Eddie McGuire is one such avid supporter who constantly references this win loss battle. It matters. Why bother playing in a competitive competition if win/loss records don't matter?

It's irrelevant to the next result. As wild as the record is history has no bearing on the game at hand.

 

[domus]

It's irrelevant to the next result. As wild as the record is history has no bearing on the game at hand.

Our record against the Hawks during Fly's tenure is relevant. And that is a terrible one given how we have been a top four side for the majority of time in that period.

 

[LuckyLee]

But, but, but we were wrong to manage our older players

We were wrong to keep so many old players on our list who need resting/managing, thereby weakening and disrupting our team in the back half of the season.

We needed to be more realistic/rational and less romantic in list management. We rolled the dice and came up snake eyes.

 

[BillyElliott]

We were wrong to keep so many old players on our list who need resting/managing, thereby weakening and disrupting our team in the back half of the season.

We needed to be more realistic/rational and less romantic in list management. We rolled the dice and came up snake eyes.

Well I don't think Pendles, Steele, Checkers, Howe & Billy have been the issue.

And I haven't totally given up like so many on here seemingly have.

 

[Sco80]

We will make the top 4, and win week 1. no problem.

Even if we win both games there’s no guarantee

 

[LuckyLee]

Well I don't think Pendles, Steele, Checkers, Howe & Billy have been the issue.

And I haven't totally given up like so many on here seemingly have.

You can make a case for each of them, INDIVIDUALLY. But COLLECTIVELY, its now pretty clear that we're carrying far too many of them. Especially when you add in Cox, Mitchell, Hoskin-Elliott and Membrey. We even rested Lipinski one week, FFS!

Add up all the games we had players miss in 2025 due to being managed/rested. Then do the same for all the other teams in the Top 9. You'll see that we've missed miles more matches. That can't possibly be a good thing.

 

[BillyElliott]

You can make a case for each of them, INDIVIDUALLY. But COLLECTIVELY, its now pretty clear that we're carrying far too many of them. Especially when you add in Cox, Mitchell, Hoskin-Elliott and Membrey. We even rested Lipinski one week, FFS!

Add up all the games we had players miss in 2025 due to being managed/rested. Then do the same for all the other teams in the Top 9. You'll see that we've missed miles more matches. That can't possibly be a good thing.

I guess we'll only know that at seasons end.

 

[LuckyLee]

I guess we'll only know that at seasons end.

True. But in my book, a match missed due to being rested/managed is little different to a match missed due to injury. Its disruptive at a minimum and at worst, harmful.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

True. But in my book, a match missed due to being rested/managed is little different to a match missed due to injury. Its disruptive at a minimum and at worst, harmful.

That's what I said. It's true.

 

[foreigner]

We were wrong to keep so many old players on our list who need resting/managing, thereby weakening and disrupting our team in the back half of the season.

We needed to be more realistic/rational and less romantic in list management. We rolled the dice and came up snake eyes.

This. And we continue to do so.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Where's fadge? Ring da cops

 

[Doc1763]

Where's fadge? Ring da cops

Has anyone ever seen Fadge & Jmac70 in the same room at the same time?

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

What do these numbers mean?

Really?

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

lol thats insane
I don't believe history defines future but thats some awful record

It sure is, and it includes years where we played in four grand finals (2010, 2011, 2018 and 2023) and five prelim finals (2007, 2009, 2012, 2019 and 2022) so you'd think there would have been a time when we got on top of them. But alas, it is us that poo and wee ourselves when we face the Brown and Gold.

 

[leon123]

Has anyone ever seen Fadge & Jmac70 in the same room at the same time?

yep and there a photos