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[RussellEbertHandball]

RussellEbertHandball

The "non-Brazilian pragmatic style of football" was a common theme back then. Brazil had lost the 1990 World Cup and won the 1994 World Cup betting on strong defense and direct objective strikes offensivelly. This approach had offended the Orthodoxy, the "widows of 1982," who would barrack AGAINST the national team. Grêmio's success came at expense of the Orthodoxy's favorite: Wanderley Luxemburgo's Palmeiras — a team full of superstars, that played attacking soccer. There was a lot of envy against Grêmio back then. (Imagine Melbourne media, for instance).

Even though the coaches from 1990 and 1994 were from Rio, Rio Grande do Sul is still part of the country, and such a style is Gaucho, through and through. Felipão was just applying in Grêmio the style of play that fits our club's culture. We like teams able to impose themselves physically and that are simple and lethal offensivelly.

Brazil's capitain in 1990 and 1994 was Gaucho — Dunga (who eventually coached the team in the 2010 World Cup). Dunga was the symbol of that period: first, as mockery; later, as exemple of success. Since 2002, we had mostly Gaucho coaches at the helm of the natuonal squad: Luiz Felipe Scolari, Dunga, Mano Menezes, and, now, Tite. If I am not mistaken, only Parreira (the 1994 coach) was not my fellow "countryman."

I remember Dunga as both a player and a coach and how good a defender he was in 1994.

I also remember that 1982 side with Falcao, Zico and Socrates.That was the first World Cup we got decent TV coverage of the whole tournament in Oz, so I watched a lot of games. I watched the Brazil v Italy game with 4 or 5 Italian cousins and 2 were huge fans of not just the national team but Serie A teams.

 

[GremioPower]

On why follow South American soccer:

 

[GremioPower]

FIFA Club World Cup

Grêmio lost to Real Madrid, 1-0

Defensively, Grêmio's game was a masterpiece. A crack on the wall was the only (and costly) failure. For that, I am proud. However...

Offensively, Grêmio was beyond bad. Zidane's Madrid knows how to defend, but Grêmio lacked any 'killer instinct' to actually challenge its opponent. It was a huge disappointment.

 

[mic59]

With Crystal Palace's away win against Leicester they have pulled out of the relegation zone. After starting the season with 7 losses, 0 wins or draws and no goals for to 17 against they are now 4 wins, 5 draws and 9 losses and 15 goals for with 28 against.
And they are undefeated since the 5th of November.

 

[mic59]

Defensively, Grêmio's game was a masterpiece. A crack on the wall was the only (and costly) failure. For that, I am proud.

However strong the wall, Ronaldo will find the trowel to remove the plaster.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Ange is off to Japan to coach Yokohama. Apparently they are part of the City Football Group. Maybe it's his stepping stone to coaching in the EPL or Europe.

 

[dirty2]

Arsenal v liverpool 3-3 Arsenal play shit for 85mins.... 3 goals in 5 mins to give them a point..

 

[mic59]

The record title-winning margin is Manchester United over Arsenal in 1999-2000 by 18 points (91 to 73). Now that Manchester City are 13 points ahead with only half the games played I would expect that the bookies, who would have stopped taking bets on the title winner, would now be taking bets that the record would be broken.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Found this awhile back and have been meaning to put it up in here one day. Map trying to say where the professional clubs ( EPL, championship and lower grades) based in London get their fans from in greater London area.


https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/blogs/playbook/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/football_map.jpg

 

[Port81]

FIFA Club World Cup

Grêmio lost to Real Madrid, 1-0

Defensively, Grêmio's game was a masterpiece. A crack on the wall was the only (and costly) failure. For that, I am proud. However...

Offensively, Grêmio was beyond bad. Zidane's Madrid knows how to defend, but Grêmio lacked any 'killer instinct' to actually challenge its opponent. It was a huge disappointment.

Im a fan of Werdum and this came up on my feed...i was trying to remember where i seen that gremio logo...and it was from your posts on this site.

Heeeeeeey!.

 

[GremioPower]

Im a fan of Werdum and this came up on my feed...i was trying to remember where i seen that gremio logo...and it was from your posts on this site.

Heeeeeeey!.

Werdum is a huge barracker for Grêmio.

 

[Port81]

Werdum is a huge barracker for Grêmio.

He sure is...very entertaining guy too inside and outside the cage.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

Forest 4 Arsenal 2

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Looks like the Dutch influence on Football in Oz will continue


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...s/news-story/909c4933c87203ca2a513451ba1b866f
Australia are moving closer to naming a replacement for Ange Postecoglou with Bert van Marwijk firming as a serious possibility to take the Socceroos to the World Cup in Russia. Football Federation Australia released a statement yesterday declaring they had sorted out a shortlist of contenders and will start the interviewing process shortly with a view to having the new man in the job by the middle of next month. The Australian understands van Marwijk is one of a number of foreigners on what is believed to be a six-man shortlist and has growing support from a number of influential figures within FFA.

The 69-year-old Dutchman did a terrific job guiding Saudi Arabia to the World Cup after pipping Australia for one of the two automatic qualifying spots from the group qualifiers late last year. ...... However, van Marwijk left the job after he and the Saudi Arabian Football Federation could not come to an agreement over a new contract.... Van Marwijk has the right credentials, having coached the Dutch national team between 2008 and 2012 as well as club stints with Feyenoord, Borussia Dortmund and Hamburger SV......
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...s/news-story/909c4933c87203ca2a513451ba1b866f


Might be a partnership with Graham Arnold as Arnold assists him at the WC and then takes over.

With speculation rife that FFA will go for an overseas coach ahead of a local for the Socceroos, van Marwijk looms as a serious chance — possibly with someone such as Sydney FC coach Graham Arnold, who remains the strong favourite if they opt for an Australian — in an overseer’s role. Van Marwijk could do the job in Russia before handing the reins to Arnold to start with a clean slate and take the role for the next four years.

List of other candidates

His stint with the Saudis has also given him an understanding of football in Asia, something that would hold him in good stead in comparison to the myriad candidates who have been mentioned since Postecoglou left the job in November. It is a long list that includes Marcelo Bielsa, Arnold, Luiz Felipe Scolari, Tony Popovic, Sven-Goran Eriksson, Jurgen Klinsmann, Louis van Gaal, Roberto Mancini, Ralf Rangnick, Gianni De Biasi, Christoph Daum, Slaven Bilic and Harry Redknapp.

A bit on the FFA's thinking

FFA chief executive David Gallop said there has been a huge amount of interest from local and overseas candidates...“Through this process we have whittled the names down to a small number of candidates, local and international, and we will soon begin the formal interviews. “It is has been clear from the outset that we have to pick someone who can lead the Socceroos for this year’s FIFA World Cup while also making sure we have the right set-up for the future, including next year’s AFC Asian Cup at which we will be the defending Champions.” The Socceroos’ first game under the new coach will be against Colombia in London on March 27.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The Socceroos have a new coach. The Dutch influence continues.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/f...cceroos-head-coach-2018-fifa-world-cup-russia
FIFA World Cup Final coach Bert Van Marwijk has been appointed Head Coach of the Caltex Socceroos for the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia.Football Federation Australia (FFA) Chairman Steven Lowy said the Dutch coach’s experience was the perfect blend for the Caltex Socceroos’ Russian campaign. “This is a great result for Australian football,” said Lowy.

“Bert Van Marwijk is world class. He took the Netherlands to the World Cup Final in 2010, he led the Saudi Arabian team to qualify directly for this year’s Finals and most importantly, he knows a lot about our team and how they play because he studied them closely as an opposition manager in the same group. "These experiences make him a compelling choice.”

Lowy paid tribute to Ange Postecoglou, the support staff and especially the players for achieving qualification. “We now go to Russia with a battle-hardened group of players and support staff who made it to the Finals by the toughest road possible. In Bert Van Marwijk we have a manager who can achieve great things with this team. And we will ensure they have the resources necessary to give them the highest level of preparation.”

FFA Chief Executive Officer David Gallop agreed terms with the former Netherlands national team coach in Amsterdam. Speaking from Amsterdam, Gallop said: “Bert was our preferred candidate to take the Caltex Socceroos to the World Cup so we are delighted to have secured his services. “We went through a thorough and disciplined process and used internal and external experts to build up a profile of the person who would be the best fit for the task in Russia. We had a number of outstanding coaches very interested in the role but Bert was at the top of our shortlist.” Van Marwijk said he was honoured to be given the responsibility of taking the Caltex Socceroos to their fourth consecutive FIFA World Cup Finals.

“I know a lot about the players and how the team has been playing after coaching against them for the two World Cup qualifiers, in 2016 and in June last year. “I have also been impressed by the national team set-up that the FFA has developed over the past few years. “I want to thank Steven Lowy, David Gallop and (FFA’s Head of National Performance) Luke Casserly for the confidence they have shown in me. “My response to them has been that we are not going to Russia just to be competitive. I want to win our matches.”

Arrangements for the Head Coach role of the Caltex Socceroos after the 2018 FIFA World Cup will be announced in the near future.
https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/f...cceroos-head-coach-2018-fifa-world-cup-russia

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Who is new Caltex Socceroos coach Bert van Marwijk?
The Caltex Socceroos have a new coach for the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia, with Dutchman Bert van Marwijk appointed on Thursday. The Dutchman brings a wealth of experience to the role from more than two decades of management experience at both club and international level. But who is the 65-year-old coach who takes over from Ange Postecoglou and will lead Australia to the World Cup? We answer some of the burning questions below.

AGE: 65
NATIONALITY: Dutch
WHO HAS HE COACHED?

• Fortuna Sittard (1998-2000)
• Feyenoord (2000-2004)
• Borussia Dortmund (2004-2006)
• Feyenoord (2007-2008)
• Netherlands (2008-2012)
• Hamburg (2013-2014)
• Saudi Arabia (2015-2017)

WHAT IS HIS COACHING RECORD LIKE?

• Won the UEFA CUP (now Europa League) with Feyenoord in 2001/02
• Won the Dutch Cup (KNVB Beker) with Feyenoord in 2007/08
• Took the Netherlands to the 2010 FIFA World Cup final, losing 1-0 to Spain.
• Helped Saudi Arabia qualify for the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia.

WHAT’S HIS HISTORY WITH THE CALTEX SOCCEROOS?
Van Marwijk has coached against Australia on four occasions during his time in charge of both the Netherlands and Saudi Arabia. As manager of the Netherlands he suffered a 2-1 friendly loss to the Caltex Socceroos in 2008, before a goalless draw in another friendly in Sydney 12 months later. During the recent AFC World Cup qualifying campaign with the Saudis, van Marwijk’s side got a 2-2 draw in Jeddah in 2016, before the Caltex Socceroos prevailed 3-2 in Adelaide last year.
https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/who-new-caltex-socceroos-coach-bert-van-marwijk

 

[Garibaldi Red]

Haha. Came on in the63rd minute. Substituted off in the 70th

 

[Grave Danger]

Haha. Came on in the63rd minute. Substituted off in the 70th

 

[mic59]

Some of the relegation-threatened clubs did themselves a few favours over the weekend. Swansea beat Arsenal and are only 1 point away from getting out of the relegation zone. Bournemouth would be only 2 points away from relegation if they hadn't beaten Chelsea. The teams placed 10-16 all drew and maintained where they were. Of the bottom 12 teams the only ones to lose were Huddersfield who went down 0-3 to Liverpool and dropped to 17th and West Brom who lost 0-3 to Manchester City and went to bottom.

 

[GremioPower]

Your are right, and so is pick-pocketing, but it is still not acceptable. Its interesting GremioPower, it appears that diving just doesnt fit into the Aussie psyche. Even in the round football game here, it is hugely frowned upon, and if a player dives, he gets ripped apart as much by his players & supporters. In AFL, it just doesnt fit in at all! It is a tough contact sport, and anyone faking and diving is absolutely vilified, by the oppo, his own, and in the media.

Thomas got into a bad habit at North, but I am sure the Port boys will cure him of it .... although I wouldnt be surprised if he regresses every now and then!

It is complicated. First of all, even though there is some things I wouldn't do myself, I recognize it is important to have people around that do them. Besides, there is always a gray area in which those action can be justified. For instance, one could pick-pocket to RECOVER something he owns. On diving, it can help getting calls on 50/50 plays - and those exist.

I hate bad dives being rewarded as much as any other guy. Good dives are those that make a play that could be called either way to look like is definitely a foul. A skilled player can do that, and it is really important to have those guys in the squad. They can be the difference between winning and losing a close game.

 

[GremioPower]

Maybe in Brazilian soccer, but here it is considered cheating and deemed unacceptable, even if you can get away with it.

It is considered cheating and unacceptable around here, too; if bad diving! A good diving is discrete, almost indistinguishable from falling down.

 

[GremioPower]

Brazil's finest.

That Rivaldo one still makes my blood boil.

Those were non-skilled dives, although Rivaldo's (the first one) was justified. He was hit, and the opposing player should have gotten the red card for it. Rivaldo just made sure the ref would apply the law correctly.

I thought he could have done a better job, but his instinct was right.

 

[DaTBird187]

Those were non-skilled dives, although Rivaldo's (the first one) was justified. He was hit, and the opposing player should have gotten the red card for it. Rivaldo just made sure the ref would apply the law correctly.

I thought he could have done a better job, but his instinct was right.

Rivaldo should have been thrown out of the tournament and banned for several years. The problem I've always had with soccer is the governing body has been weak as piss with cracking down on garbage sportsmanship. Throw the book at a few players and some of the shit would stop. FFS, it is the only sport where I consistently see players physically and verbally intimidate referees. Red card the ****ers.

 

[GremioPower]

Rivaldo should have been thrown out of the tournament and banned for several years.

For such an embellishment? He exaggerated it, but the aggression actually happened. He should have gotten an yellow card, and that would be all.

The problem I've always had with soccer is the governing body has been weak as piss with cracking down on garbage sportsmanship. Throw the book at a few players and some of the shit would stop. FFS, it is the only sport where I consistently see players physically and verbally intimidate referees. Red card the ******s.

"... players physically and verbally intimidate referees..."

That's an issue, but there is nothing to do with diving and embellishment. Good referees do not suffer this, but good referees are not easy to find - AFL can attest that!