Rumour File #6

[The Old Dark Navy's]

New options that we never considered during fev time, a more mature midfield, a better fwd game plan

Our better forward game plan revolves around having multiple options, something that Fev just could not entertain when he was at the club. It also revolves around clearing out the 50 and letting Betts and Garlett run on to it. I'm sure we considered it when Fev was there but his presence loomed too large.

 

[Jimthegreat]

New options that we never considered during fev time, a more mature midfield, a better fwd game plan.

It does make you wonder though, if we have 3 guys close to 50 goals each and Waite missing a lot of the year would fev be what we actually need?

Yes, Fev or some other KP forward. It's different relying on smaller goalkickers in finals, especially opportunist types like Betts and Gartlett. Finals footy against the top 4 is way more contested and those guys just don't get the space. If one thinks it's the same as H & A footy just have to go back to the Bulldogs to be reminded that it's different. Both KP targets and small targets make you less predictable in how you go forward and makes the opposition think. Small targets can be blocked up too easily but cutting their space. Won't be winning flags without decent KPF's no matter where you finish on the ladder.

 

[Blue Dimension]

All i can remember, was the weight that had been lifted off the club's shoulders when he was gone.

The ultimate question will eventually come down to whether he has 'changed'. I think we've asked this question too many a time before. And I think the amount we'd expect him to change is too great.

 

[Dramoth]

That's a personal wish. We supporters would have little clue whether the playing group want him or not or what may have transpired between them. You seem to be happy to play Russian Roulette with a top 5 team in order to appease one 31 year old player who was not part of making us a top 5 team.

I wish people would be a little more circumspect and play a wait and see, trust the club game. It feels a little like a squealing groupie convention sometimes when this issue comes up.

If the club get him, I support them. If they don't, I support them.

There are too many idiots who can only see the trees and not the forest. The forest is the fact that we are a top 5 team. The tree is a rather sickly one who was hellbent on destroying himself and almost wrecked the club a couple of years back...

So lets bite the bullet and bring back someone who has the potential to completely **** up everything that the club has built over the last 2 years without him.

This year, we have 3 players with over 40 goals... when was the last time that we had more than 2 players kicking over 40 goals in a season while Fev was at the club?

I like the way the club is going atm and I am not interested in stepping back in time and having one player thinking that he is the be all and end all of the team.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yes, Fev or some other KP forward. It's different relying on smaller goalkickers in finals, especially opportunist types like Betts and Gartlett. Finals footy against the top 4 is way more contested and those guys just don't get the space. If one thinks it's the same as H & A footy just have to go back to the Bulldogs to be reminded that it's different. Both KP targets and small targets make you less predictable in how you go forward and makes the opposition think. Small targets can be blocked up too easily but cutting their space. Won't be winning flags without decent KPF's no matter where you finish on the ladder.

We have to remember that Fev's strong suit is not contested marking either. That is exactly the type of forward we need to compliment our forward structure.

 

[OldBlueFan]

We have to remember that Fev's strong suit is not contested marking either. That is exactly the type of forward we need to compliment our forward structure.

While a strong contested marking forward is undoubtedly a need that the club has, I would like to throw up another need that no-one has mentioned at all this year and I think it's a rather glaring one.

We have no-one ... and I mean no-one who is a better than 30% chance of kicking a goal from the 50 metre arc or beyond. Let's go through them ...

Betts, Waite, 0%
Garlett, Judd, Kreuzer: 10%
Walker, Gibbs, Yarran, Ellard, O'hAilpin: 20%
Murphy, Simpson, Scotland: 30%

In this age of extreme flooding, that all clubs at least attempt to employ, a player who can consistently kick goals from on or outside 50 where the flood is at it's weakest, is surely a valuable commodity?

 

[The Big Sticks]

You left out Touhy.

He kicked his first goal from outside 50 IIRC.

 

[Wickzki]

You left out Touhy.

He kicked his first goal from outside 50 IIRC.

That was a magical goal against the Lions

Probably not enough data to list him without bias.

 

[The_Wookie]

Im not sure that waite cant...he just doesnt seem to want to take the risk outside 50. If theres one thing fev can do he can kick the smithereens off the sherrin. If he was a contested mark Id rookie him, or get him on a very limited contract, but hes not and thats what we need more than anything else. Kreuzer after a full preseason will undoubtedly be that person, Waite with a full preseason and no injuries combined with that will be friggin awesome.

 

[Big Red is back]

if fev was on our list right now would he get a game ?

Yes of course he would

Would opposition sides fear us more?


Yes


Garlett was only a baby when fev was last here, walker was injured and betts was playing well.

To say fev leaving has made us better ignores the fact we were a super young side always going to improve.

In fact our performances against the top four to win zero games is worse than prior years.

 

[Big Red is back]

We have to remember that Fev's strong suit is not contested marking either. That is exactly the type of forward we need to compliment our forward structure.

He looked okay body on body vs jamo last weekend

 

[Jeremias]

if fev was on our list right now would he get a game ?

Yes of course he would

Would opposition sides fear us more?

You really are thick.

How many times do you need to be reminded that the Fevola issue is one that was never based on talent? This is at least the third time you've tried to indicate that Fevola isn't on an AFL list because clubs don't believe he's talented enough.

Of course he'd be getting a game right now. A fit and healthy Fevola would strengthen any side in the league.

But if you honestly believe that to be the issue, and looking at your previous posts on this topic would indicate that you do, then you are so far off the mark and have missed the entire point of why he was effectively sacked from not one, but two clubs.

 

[Mr.Kennedy]

There is only one way I would want Fev back at CFC and that is if the playing group publicly approve it. If just one palyer is not for it, then I would rather we don't bring him.

I have faith that our coaching group is professional enough to plan structures to fit Fev. In the past our only decent option was to look for Fev and even earlier in the Pagan era the plan was "kick it to Fev" That will definately not be the case now.

I also have faith in our other forwards where in the past there wasn't too much else there. 2 years with Fev is good timing while our younger talls bide their time in the 2's. Mitchell, Levi, McCarthy* and whoever else we bring in wont be ready until Fev's time is over. Waite annoys the crap out of me, if he is not injured then he is suspended. ( In full flight he is awesome though.)

Our midfield is 10 times better and more mature than anything Fev has previously had in front of him and I am certain they wont get sucked into any Fevcentric style of play.

Anyway to cut it short, Fev in the last year is doing everything asked of him and I would hate for another club to take him on while we are needing a quick fix in the forward line. Our smalls and mediums will not take us to GF.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

There is only one way I would want Fev back at CFC and that is if the playing group publicly approve it. If just one palyer is not for it, then I would rather we don't bring him.

"With the way we're going forward I don't think he'll be back here at Carlton. If someone wants to pick him up then all the best to them and him."

Marc Murphy - today

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/122498/default.aspx

Are we done now?

 

[NAUGHT5]

Agree with Mr Kennedy. There is a very small chance he'll be back, but I would want a unanimously positive vote from the players, Ratts, Sticks right down to Jason Johnson working in the canteen before it happened.

We're going places at the moment and we don't want to disrupt the positive feeling.

We're all wasting our time even discussing it though.
Jeannie Pratt wanting him back really means nothing, she never wanted him to get sacked in the first place.

 

[Silvagnis]

Geelong won flags with Mooney, Hawkins and N.Ablett.

How many flags and games did we win with Fevola, Waite and Fisher playing together in 2009?

Two clean marking forwards and a Coleman Medallist, yet we were eighth.

Merrett smashed Fevola in the 2009 finals because he isn't a great contested mark.

Move on.

Only a fool would keep believing that Fevola is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

 

[HARKER]

It's just a shame we can't really speak about the situation surrounding Fev, rather than announcing whether we want him back or not.

I don't know why the two need to be bound.

 

[Mr.Kennedy]

"With the way we're going forward I don't think he'll be back here at Carlton. If someone wants to pick him up then all the best to them and him."

Marc Murphy - today

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/122498/default.aspx

Are we done now?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Thats all I wanted to hear so that we can put it to bed. Like I said if even 1 player is against it then the Fat Lady has sung.

 

[KennyHunter9]

While a strong contested marking forward is undoubtedly a need that the club has, I would like to throw up another need that no-one has mentioned at all this year and I think it's a rather glaring one.

We have no-one ... and I mean no-one who is a better than 30% chance of kicking a goal from the 50 metre arc or beyond. Let's go through them ...

Betts, Waite, 0%
Garlett, Judd, Kreuzer: 10%
Walker, Gibbs, Yarran, Ellard, O'hAilpin: 20%
Murphy, Simpson, Scotland: 30%

In this age of extreme flooding, that all clubs at least attempt to employ, a player who can consistently kick goals from on or outside 50 where the flood is at it's weakest, is surely a valuable commodity?

Last time I checked, goals from outside 50m was not an indicator of anything other than goals from outside 50m. Inside 50s on the other hand matter a lot, and your analysis sadly lacking in this regard.

Will you be launching 'bring back the torp' and 'Nathan Chapman to Carlton' campaigns too?

 

[reg_lower91]

Last time I checked, goals from outside 50m was not an indicator of anything other than goals from outside 50m. Inside 50s on the other hand matter a lot, and your analysis sadly lacking in this regard.

Will you be launching 'bring back the torp' and 'Nathan Chapman to Carlton' campaigns too?

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Expect more sense from you OBF!!

 

[Weiterbot23]

Such a party pooper murph!

Fev should shack up with Jennie, would be able to punt to his hearts content!

 

[Madblue]

"With the way we're going forward I don't think he'll be back here at Carlton. If someone wants to pick him up then all the best to them and him."

Marc Murphy - today

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/122498/default.aspx

Are we done now?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Thats all I wanted to hear so that we can put it to bed. Like I said if even 1 player is against it then the Fat Lady has sung.

Have you heard of towing the company line ?

 

[coryne]

"With the way we're going forward I don't think he'll be back here at Carlton. If someone wants to pick him up then all the best to them and him."

Marc Murphy - today

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/122498/default.aspx

Are we done now?

I would say that the fact the CFC website is running with a story that a leading, high-profile player (Murphy) doesn't see Fev being part of the side next year is a pretty good indicator that he won't be coming back to the club.

 

[coryne]

Have you heard of towing the company line ?

That would be the line that EVERYONE outside of Mrs Pratt is consistantly stating (aka that Fev won't be playing for Carlton next year) ???

 

[HARKER]

Such a party pooper murph!

Fev should shack up with Jennie, would be able to punt to his hearts content!

Party pooper?
It's a shame that the players have to be dragged into any commenting on this situation.
Sooner have them not involved with these silly distractions.