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Rusling!!!!

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Rusling is a once in a generation player.

That is to say, hopefully my 9-month-old son will live long enough to see him play once... if he ever gets off the injury list.
 
Cannot delist IMO.

Slim drafts coming up and we have more than enough list cloggers to dispose of before Rus.

His talent is far too good to just throw away, especially in the next 2 years.
 
Since watching him on The Black and White show, thus providing proof that he actually exists, I can't help but hope he plays this weekend, has a blinder and comes through unscathed.

As frustrating as it may seem to us mere supporters, imagine the frustration to the man.

I still think he's shown an inordinate amount of intestinal fortitude to press on in the face of the setbacks and deserves our respect for that alone.

Go the Rus and good luck.:thumbsu:
 

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loki04 said:
We carried Guy Richards and Ben Kinnear for nearly a decade and neither had the talent of Rusling or injury as an excuse.:o
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Ben Kinnear
Played 50 of a possible 160 games (including finals) (31.25% of club games) in 7 seasons with Collingwood (1998-2004)

Guy Richards
Played 39 of a possible 184 games (including finals) (23.78% of club games) in 7 seasons with Collingwood (2001-2007)

Richards didn't even make his debut until his 4th season on our list!
 
Invigoration said:
If we delisted Rusling this year with the intention of picking him up in the rookie draft, I'd put the odds of someone grabbing him before us at probably below 1%, it just wouldn't happen.

Seeing Collingwood delist him after 6 years of hand holding would pretty much resign clubs to thinking he was all but done for as an AFL prospect. If he was worth holding on to, Collingwood wouldn't delist him in the first place.

I think you are overrating Rusling's value a little bit to be honest, I think it'd be a worthwhile thing to look into for Collingwood after having invested 6 years, other clubs probably not so much.
I don't think his redrafting would play out too dissimilarly to Michael Newton or John Meesen who both got delisted by Melbourne and made it back to them in the rookie draft without too many hassles, and at least those two can actually get on the park. He is a second round draft pick that has played 17 games in over 6 years, if other clubs wanna jump in and grab him before us, power to them, it'd be extremely unlikely though I reckon.
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I'd say it's fairly different IMO. This years draft is more heavily compromised then last so teams are going to try and be more creative resourcful IMO. Also Melbourne delisting talls shows a lot about the quality of the tall. Rusling has shown more in less time then both of those two. Collingwood's list is in a stronger spot then most so whilst we can't afford to hold onto him another club maybe more then willing to give him a year as the 44th player on the list. Due to the fact that it's not a single body part failing him I dare say he'd be fine at a medical and as such why would a club not take the risk.
 
shawthing09 said:
I'd say it's fairly different IMO. This years draft is more heavily compromised then last so teams are going to try and be more creative resourcful IMO. Also Melbourne delisting talls shows a lot about the quality of the tall. Rusling has shown more in less time then both of those two. Collingwood's list is in a stronger spot then most so whilst we can't afford to hold onto him another club maybe more then willing to give him a year as the 44th player on the list. Due to the fact that it's not a single body part failing him I dare say he'd be fine at a medical and as such why would a club not take the risk.
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Talk of delisting Rusling would seem to be pretty premature.
Come round 22, if he has failed to make any kind of impact would be the time to make the assessment.
Hypothetically, if he does break down again, then his trade value would be assessed damningly in that light by other clubs.
On the other hand should e manage to break into the side before the end of the year and have a few good games, the club has a difficult decision.
After giving him the time to get to that point and assuming he is not carrying injury come the end of the year do we then end the association after all the hard work and faith we have shown him?

The simplest decision comes if he breaks down, yet is the worst trade scenario.

Personally I hope he can make the decision very hard, by breaking into the side and performing.

It's for purely selfish reasons though as I'd love to finally see him play a year unhindered.
 
If he does break down again in a major way, he might walk, but if in a quasi serious way, then we might be able to delist and pick up again as mature age rookie.

If he comes good, then we keep.
 
shawthing09 said:
This years draft is more heavily compromised then last so teams are going to try and be more creative resourcful IMO. Due to the fact that it's not a single body part failing him I dare say he'd be fine at a medical and as such why would a club not take the risk.
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This is the argument I think. From a list management perspective our greatest deficiency and biggest issue is finding a second KPF. While our list is otherwise strong and we have a player who has shown clear AFL potential in an area we lack I think it would be a smart decision to keep him on the list. The pay-off may be huge.
 
Old Spice said:
If he does break down again in a major way, he might walk, but if in a quasi serious way, then we might be able to delist and pick up again as mature age rookie.

If he comes good, then we keep.
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Quicky said:
This is the argument I think. From a list management perspective our greatest deficiency and biggest issue is finding a second KPF. While our list is otherwise strong and we have a player who has shown clear AFL potential in an area we lack I think it would be a smart decision to keep him on the list. The pay-off may be huge.
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These two sum it up for me. There is still half a season to go, if he makes it through the year without injury there would be no reason to delist him.
If he gets a small set back then depending on what it is Invig's theory pretty much has it where we should be able to mature age rookie him. If he does a shoulder then it's time to cut your loses.

The thing is re quicky's point, fowards take longer to develop then other spots. A draftee isn't likely to have the impact we need in the timeframe we need.
 
By quasi serious, I don't mean a low-grade, soft tissue strain that takes 4 weeks to heal, but something like a knee or similar. That for me is grounds for delisting and trying to mature rookie.

Otherwise, I really think it's worth sticking with him. Even if we got a key forward with our first pick in the 20s, it'd take years for them to come on, if they ever did.

Rus has the three elements of hands, speed and kick. Cloke has the first two, but not the third. Dawes has the last two, but not the first. Anthony the last, and a bit of the other two.

Really want him placed up forward when back at VFL level. If they are managing his body, rest him more on the bench and keep him fit with track work.
 

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It really is irrelevant how many games he has played in 6 seasons, whether its 17, 35 or 100. Dane Swan wasn't looking too good after his first three seasons, and had only managed 20 games in his first 70, thats around the 30% mark, and hes a midfielder, not a KPF that requires development, if we're to go by your theory.

As far as I'm concerned, its whats in the present that counts, not whats in the past. Look no further than Geelong, they've got a 28 year old playing his first proper season of AFL footy after previously not utilising his chances and they're being rewarded. Sean Rusling is only 24 years old, even if he was to be unavailable for selection for whatever reason for another 2 years, and he 'starts' his career at 26, I'd rather have Sean Rusling for 4-5 years than a J-Pod for 2-3 years.

I cannot imagine, with a midfield like ours, Rusling struggling to average 3.2 goals a game over a season, or at least half a season.

There are too many impatient supporters that need to put the past behind them, and focus on the present and the future. He is an absolute asset, whatever way you choose to look at it, he isn't older than 25, and the draft isn't looking pretty over the next 2-3 years, so its only logical that, barring another major setback, he is a commodity on the list, not a liability.
 
2. Sean Rusling (2 games, 7.5 av. disposals, 2.0 av. marks): People want to know about him. Played a few games with us. Unfortunately hurt his calf early on. He has been playing halfback with us. When he comes back I am sure he will start down back and then find himself up forward later in the season.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/96898/default.aspx


Doesn't give him much time up forward to find touch and gain confidence considering the season is halfway over, going to be played in defence again before maybe, if he is lucky, getting to go back up forward in his last few games.:rolleyes:
 
I wasn't there, however I have been told that at a Club 42 function this week, the senior coach himself said that Sean Rusling "Would need a lot of luck" between now and the end of the season to avoid being de-listed.

Its called cutting your losses. We invested 2 seasons too many on this boy in my opinion - at some stage you have to stop throwing good money after bad!!
 

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I cannot see him in the AFL this year. There seems little point to keeping him - if it's not a shoulder reconstruction it's a soft tissue injury that keeps him out. He is good when up, but not consistent as a forward. His quiet games were very quiet. He always did well against the Swans.
 

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