Recommitted Sam Butler [Re-Signed to 2027]

[Mutineer]

Well we’ve got an offer in front of him, I’m sure it’s being worked on, the eagles is apparently 4 years, so I’d suggest they want him as you don’t hand out 4 years deals to players you don’t rate

An offer that obviously his manager thinks is lowballing Sam or he'd have signed before this

 

[Burtman]

An offer that obviously his manager thinks is lowballing Sam or he'd have signed before this

We don’t know whether that’s lowballing or fair value, maybe the west coast offer is overs, maybe they really rate him. Won’t know till this is all over

 

[Mutineer]

We don’t know whether that’s lowballing or fair value, maybe the west coast offer is overs, maybe they really rate him. Won’t know till this is all over

If it's not why hasn't he signed yet?

Simple really to arrive at that conclusion I would have thought.

 

[Burtman]

If it's not why hasn't he signed yet?

Simple really to arrive at that conclusion I would have thought.

Maybe because the west coast offer is overs, who knows. A manager doesn’t care if the player is worth the money or not, they’ll try and extract as much as possible

 

[Mutineer]

Maybe because the west coast offer is overs, who knows. A manager doesn’t care if the player is worth the money or not, they’ll try and extract as much as possible

Exactly this fair value you keep using just doesn't apply especially when the Hawks have allowed him to get to the point where he's out of contract.

 

[Coasters7]

But what you’ve all been saying is they’re worth 3rd rounders, and if that’s the case I’d rather keep them and send 3rd rounders. Hell I’d even throw in a second rounder instead so they get more value than what the players are worth

That’s the point. They’re worth nothing in a trade at current value. They’re worth more to you to keep, but aren’t a valuable asset for a club trading their captain.

 

[Obeanie1]

How is that trolling? Your post doesn’t explain why you didn’t offer something decent to chesser to get him to stay. If you rate him so highly you should’ve given him what you’re offering butler. Now you’ll probably end up with nothing, seems like a stupid move

There is no relationship between Chesser and Butler.

None. Nida. Nothing.

Different players.

Different circumstances.

That's the point.

And you don't seem to be able to understand that.

So I'm not interested in explaining anything about Chesser in the Butler thread. Not relevant. Totally diferent discussion.

 

[Burtman]

Exactly this fair value you keep using just doesn't apply especially when the Hawks have allowed him to get to the point where he's out of contract.

You do know he had a severely broken leg right? Would be mismanagement to offer a big contract when there was no guarantee he could come back from it. When he did we offered a contract.

 

[Burtman]

There is no relationship between Chesser and Butler.

None. Nida. Nothing.

Different players.

Different circumstances.

That's the point.

And you don't seem to be able to understand that.

You were the ones sprouting that they’re worth the same, the contract offers speak otherwise

 

[Shueygod]

You were the ones sprouting that they’re worth the same, the contract offers speak otherwise

Their contract offers from their current teams are reportedly the same, if anything Chessers appears better given it’s 2 + 1.

 

[Mutineer]

You do know he had a severely broken leg right? Would be mismanagement to offer a big contract when there was no guarantee he could come back from it. When he did we offered a contract.

I sure do, I follow all of the Rebels players in the AFL and rarely miss one of their CTL games locally.

 

[Burtman]

I sure do, I follow all of the Rebels players in the AFL and rarely miss one of their CTL games locally.

That’s great, so would you offer a large contract to a player with the injury that Sam sustained before they showed an ability to come back from it?

 

[Obeanie1]

You were the ones sprouting that they’re worth the same, the contract offers speak otherwise

Similar trade value in draft capital due to where they sit contract wise and ranking.

Length of contract and dollars is a totally separate discussion with different factors in play.

You do understand clubs need to pay more $ to get a player to move interstate away from home.

As opposed to attracting a player to move back to their home state.

As I keep saying. Different players. Different circumstances.

 

[Burtman]

Their contract offers from their current teams are reportedly the same, if anything Chessers appears better given it’s 2 + 1.

Oh is Carlton offering 4 years on good money?

 

[Mutineer]

That’s great, so would you offer a large contract to a player with the injury that Sam sustained before they showed an ability to come back from it?

Maybe you should check out how he was going in the VFL and surely the Hawks have top end medical and fitness staff on the payroll. A little hiccup during the year other than that he was flying in his comeback in the VFL originally on limited minutes..

 

[Burtman]

Maybe you should check out how he was going in the VFL and surely the Hawks have top end medical and fitness staff on the payroll. A little hiccup during the year other than that he was flying in his comeback in the VFL originally on limited minutes..

Thanks for the heads up, definitely didn’t know he was playing vfl when not with us. having good medical staff doesn’t guarantee a player comes back the same, the afl is littered with guys that never got back to their best after horrific injuries. Yes he was flying, that’s how he forced his way back into the team and has been offered a contract. The move into the middle has shown that he could be a valuable player and one we’d like to keep

 

[Shueygod]

Oh is Carlton offering 4 years on good money?

Chesser currently plays for Carlton does he?

 

[Hasselhough]

Similar trade value in draft capital due to where they sit contract wise and ranking.

Length of contract and dollars is a totally separate discussion with different factors in play.

You do understand clubs need to pay more $ to get a player to move interstate away from home.

As opposed to attracting a player to move back to their home state.

As I keep saying. Different players. Different circumstances.

They understand they gave barrass a massive offer last year to move interstate.

They also know that a massive offer doesn't equate to a massive trade value

 

[bluespooner]

Hawthorn have handled Butler, Hurstwaite and Serong really poorly. If form at BHHs counted for anything all three would have played several games for Hawthorn this year.
Regarding, Butler Hawthorn needs to upgrade its offer. He clearly is worth three years on reasonable coin and this would probably, be enough to hold on to a required player.

 

[Obeanie1]

Oh is Carlton offering 4 years on good money?

Maybe they are.

What is the relevance to Butler?

 

[Obeanie1]

They understand they gave barrass a massive offer last year to move interstate.

They also know that a massive offer doesn't equate to a massive trade value

He was contracted. That one of the keys to trade value.

Uncontracted and leverage is lowered.

They also needed to turn his head and move interstate away from home. Another variable.

And he wanted more success. Another variable.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Its Dev Robertson 2.0 this a little bit also. The loser step is to stay at Hawthorn and take the lesser role. To not test yourself in the midfield, to pigeonhole yourself as 1 type of player forever and seemingly hope injuries occur so you get a chance at AFL level (he isnt best 22 and was in because of injury)

He should leave and try to become a midfielder then quit on himself and be a HFF for life

Or he backs himself to improve and crack the best 22, if he doesn't improve he is not going to be in any sides best 22 for long.

Staying would not mean he is accepting a lesser role, it is backing himself in to surpass others already in that role.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Hawthorn have handled Butler, Hurstwaite and Serong really poorly. If form at BHHs counted for anything all three would have played several games for Hawthorn this year.
Regarding, Butler Hawthorn needs to upgrade its offer. He clearly is worth three years on reasonable coin and this would probably, be enough to hold on to a required player.

Butler and Hust did play several games this year.

Butler was returning from a major leg injury and was still needing it managed throuhought the year.

Hust did play AFL footy but never really managed to cement a spot

and Serong was stuck behind Battle Barrass, Sicily, Scrimshaw, Weddle so not sure who you are thinking he should have been getting a game over.

 

[tiger_tough]

Now sure why we arent throwing our hat in the ring for him, especially after Rosas chose Sydney. Maybe we will.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Or he backs himself to improve and crack the best 22, if he doesn't improve he is not going to be in any sides best 22 for long.

Staying would not mean he is accepting a lesser role, it is backing himself in to surpass others already in that role.

Recency bias is not something you should back yourself to overcome unless you enjoy running into failure, especially at Hawthorn. Serong/Hustwaite could not have done any more at VFL level and they didnt crack the best 22... and that is very fair too

The bias Watson/Ginnivan/Moore/Macdonald have isnt going to be overcome even if Butler gets 35 possessions a game at VFL level

Leaving is backing yourself in to take the opportunity. Staying is waiting for the opportunity you would get by simply leaving. You should never wait for success, go get it yourself