Sheedy attacks Walls' credibility

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Walls>Clarkson, Judge and Schwab

Wallsy wasn't that bad

Walls >> Clarkson + Judge + Schwab

 

[Syd Kennets]

This isnt about Walls v Sheedy. How many of you idiots have actually read the article.

Walls 'job' last week was basically about writing an article per day on the coaches percived to be under pressure this year.

Understandibly they were all negative, and Sheedy took exception to Walls picking out coaches, young and old, and criticising them.

Thats the issue. Sheeds went off on a bit of a trail talking about winning % etc.
But if walls wants to sit in the stands and slag of 50% of coaches in the league for there tactics/records, and attitudes, then They have the right to use his coaching record to fight back.

This Carlton v Essendon thread is why bigfooty is full of nothing discussion.

 

[CattyBossDog]

Buddy, there was no King Hit - I was 15 metres from the incident and Wallis simply leapt into Hanna from the side - his shoulder making contact with Hanna's head.

There was no King Hit at all.

Wallis would be booked today for jumping off the ground but back then, it was a perfectly legal, and incredibly effective move.

I still dont know why Scum fans whinge about it anyway as surely having a hack of Hanna's quality off the ground was doing you a huge favour.

Oh by the way, did you Carlton idiots ever stop to wonder why Sean Denham had a broken nose at the end of that game??

Does the phrase, 'Greg Williams you Dirty Dog" ring a bell???

Wallis king hit him, and Denham (2nd only to Libba for dirtiest player of that era) fell over whilst trying to catch diesel.

 

[OB1]

Wallis king hit him, and Denham (2nd only to Libba for dirtiest player of that era) fell over whilst trying to catch diesel.

I guess in your mind Carlton won the GF as well.

 

[pazza]

Memories of 1993.

Wallis on Hanna - nothing more than a bump. Shame the ground was like concrete.

Denham and Williams - Seany got under Diesel's skin and got him off his game. Easy to do that when one of the players has as incredibly short fuse (as Diesel damn well did)

But, Sheedy's reply to Walls was Sheedy being the game's elder statesman - and a bit of protector to the other less experienced coaches. Sheedy has earned that role of being a mentor to all of his rivals.

 

[mediumsizered]

So are you saying Norm Smith wasn't a great coach then? 6 premierships in 10 years not good enough for you?

Underlining his greatness was the move to South Melbourne & getting them into the finals in 1970 for the first time in 25 years. There aren't many (if any) other coaches in the history of the game who would have been able to get that South Melbourne team into a finals series. Stepping outside the comfort zone & coaching a battling side to finals, that is the measure of a elite coach.

 

[pazza]

Well in all honesty...what Sheedy did in 1981 is arguably the equal of what Smith for South in 1970 when you look at it that way.

Remember Essendon had 1 out of the first 6 that year. How does a team go from that position to winning its next 15 straight? Takes a fair bit of coaching.

 

[mediumsizered]

Well in all honesty...what Sheedy did in 1981 is arguably the equal of what Smith for South in 1970 when you look at it that way.

Remember Essendon had 1 out of the first 6 that year. How does a team go from that position to winning its next 15 straight? Takes a fair bit of coaching.

Essendon had played finals in 1979 & had names like Simon Madden, Watson, Van Der Haar, Neagle, Merrett on their list. Norm Smith was working with a list who's 2 best players were an aging Bob Skilton, Peter Bedford (who won the Brownlow in 1970) & a group of honest toilers. So ordinary was the South Melbourne list the following 3 seasons saw them finish 12th, 11th & 12th. The Essendon team of 1981 was so much better than the South Melbourne side of 1970. No comparison can be drawn between these 2 teams at all.

 

[Crow-mo]

Yes, Royal One. As always you remain above it.

good to see you know your place.

 

[Crow-mo]

I wasn't born in the nineteenth century, but imho Jack the Ripper was probably a nasty bit of work.

yup, we've got live one here.

thanks genius

 

[Crow-mo]

This isnt about Walls v Sheedy. How many of you idiots have actually read the article.

Walls 'job' last week was basically about writing an article per day on the coaches percived to be under pressure this year.

Understandibly they were all negative, and Sheedy took exception to Walls picking out coaches, young and old, and criticising them.

Thats the issue. Sheeds went off on a bit of a trail talking about winning % etc.
But if walls wants to sit in the stands and slag of 50% of coaches in the league for there tactics/records, and attitudes, then They have the right to use his coaching record to fight back.

This Carlton v Essendon thread is why bigfooty is full of nothing discussion.

I agree. But you need to keep in mind 2 things:

1. sheedy and walls have a long history of bad blood
2. not many of today's coaches should be putting their coaching records up against walls. there's a couple, but most...

Now consider this, I think Pagan is a good coach. always have. Coaching Carlton in this state, I don't think can be held against him.

however, if Pagan only coached North; and retired when he left - we would point to his wonderful record. At a new, struggling club, he's struggled - and a lot more scrutiny has come his way.

whereas Malthouse & Matthews both succeeded at powerful clubs, and took on different jobs where the teams were a rabble at the time. they get serious brownie point for not shirking the tough jobs.

I don't care who you are, but when you coach only at one club, a powerful club, we need to keep that in mind.

 

[Crow-mo]

Stepping outside the comfort zone & coaching a battling side to finals, that is the measure of a elite coach.

quite.

 

[pazza]

Essendon were far from powerful when Sheedy arrived - let's be honest about this - we were as close to ****house for a very long time (luckily for me I was too young to actually remember it - but, I do remember how upset and angry my dad was!)

We were a battling side. For all the good players we had back then - we had quite a fair few blokes who shouldn't have been getting games at the same time...Michael Thomson and Mark Eustice to name just a couple!

Was Sheedy given a side on silver platter? Not really. We had the remnants of why we were poor in the 70's still on the list (even Carman only played a few games under Kevin!) If he was given the team on a silver platter - why then was he going to make a comeback in 1981? It was only the board of Colin Stubbs that stopped him.

If he was given a team on a silver platter - why then did it take 3 years to get that side to a grand final and a further year to a premiership? Because the team needed even more fine tune to get the mix right.

 

[marcuz]

I don't care who you are, but when you coach only at one club, a powerful club, we need to keep that in mind.

So sheedy's record is somewhat downgraded on the basis he didnt get the arse from his plush digs at napier st and take control of an absolute rabble?

I would have thought his ability to stay in the same job for 20+ years earns him extra credibility like you give coaches who do the job in multiple places and situations.

 

[mediumsizered]

We were a battling side. For all the good players we had back then - we had quite a fair few blokes who shouldn't have been getting games at the same time...Michael Thomson and Mark Eustice to name just a couple!

Both of them would tell you otherwise. But that's another story.

 

[whirl]

yup, we've got live one here.

thanks genius

Easy, don't get upset. Kudos for managing to avoid telling me that I couldn't have the opinion because I wasn't born then, it must have been awfully tempting.

 

[FRAGGA]

is this the same sheddy that calls the umpires martians when hes players arent given free kicks or decked behind play? just trying to work out how the 1990 grand final brawl started and how many melbourne players were knocked out in the 2000 grand final... what a hypocrite

 

[whirl]

good to see you know your place.

 

[Crow-mo]

Easy, don't get upset. Kudos for managing to avoid telling me that I couldn't have the opinion because I wasn't born then, it must have been awfully tempting.

ah the poster child for redudant statements - your mum must be proud.

 

[Crow-mo]

So sheedy's record is somewhat downgraded on the basis he didnt get the arse from his plush digs at napier st and take control of an absolute rabble?

I would have thought his ability to stay in the same job for 20+ years earns him extra credibility like you give coaches who do the job in multiple places and situations.

you get extra points for staying in a comfort zone. which government dept do you work for?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

"At least Tim Watson sugar-coats his hand-grenades from the cubby house.

This line is interesting. Is Sheeds saying that he wants the media to cloak their agendas within puff pieces?

Fair chance this "feud" is just being cooked up for the promotional angle it provides for both of these children ... er ... men.

 

[marcuz]

you get extra points for staying in a comfort zone.

Is it really a comfort zone?

Yes sheeds has resources mostclubs envy but at the end of the day he works in a league which is big on parity meaning a lot of those resources mean jack. And he works for a successful club with high expectations and low tolerance for mediocrity. The fact he has stayed as long at a club that demands finals success every year and has acheived that goal in 19 of his 26 seasons is testiment to his ability to coach.

In a league which tries to make most teams bottom out over time he has kept his head above water better than most.

which government dept do you work for?

Sanitation, i can spot **** a mile away.

 

[whirl]

ah the poster child for redudant statements - your mum must be proud.

Everyone has a special skill. Mum would prefer that I focused on piano.

 

[Kobi]

I havr thought for a long time that Walls is the biggest DH in football...he said WCE couldnt win in melb, didnt have a fwd, he said judd was one dimensional.....Wallls ought to f-ck of and retire....no one reads his crap and if they do they know nothing about the game...amen good riddence Walls ya tosser

 

[OB1]

you get extra points for staying in a comfort zone. which government dept do you work for?

No you get extra points for having to re-build that comfort zone, even though it has been pointed out several times Essendon was no comfort zone when he arrived. Sheedy more than anyone else is responsible for Essendon being a strong club. Without the sustained success through the 80's 90's & 00's Essendon could quite easlily have become another Richmond (shudders at the thought)