Sheedy attacks Walls' credibility

[MarkT]

...and said Mick Malthouse should have achieved more given Collingwood's riches.

Walls is at least half right here. It isn’t the riches but the top end he inherited, the time he’s had there and the drafting positions that MM should have converted into more.

Sheedy is just being Sheedy though and making it all personal via the media again.

 

[Cyclops]

Sheeds is a master deflector. He doesn't answer to Walls: he's a real multiple premiership winning coach, a major figure in football. Walls is a once successful/often sacked boob with a shaky claim to have invented the huddle...maybe.

Walls is a poor commentator in that he rarely says anything insightful, or forward looking. He repeats truisms mosty of us heard at the pub a fortnight (or a decade) ago. He rarely goes balls-out with a big prediction and when he does he often gets it wrong (eg Pies to beat Brisbane in 2003). He's a safe-bet soft-**** commentator, with a penchant for big thighs and obvious criticism.

Now he's tried to be a bit controversial and sting a few coaches. Its his job to get noticed and boring recycling of old ideas is what he does. Everyone pretty much understands this.

Why is Sheeds taking offence? He seems to genuinely dislike Walls (and who wouldn't, he's a rotten Carlton sniper). However Sheeds is a pro and doesn't respond for no reason. Its probably just to keep himself in the news, kick up a bit of dust, and if he gets to p*** Walls off in the process, thats just a bonus.

Its just a media tiff, the sound of the pages rustling, no more than that.

 

[Chewy]

Sheedy is one of the most thin-skinned, petty-minded individuals in football.
He's harboured a grudge against Walls for years (as Walls has against him) so if Sheeds is such a big man and Walls is such a small man, then why doesn't he just let it go? Why does he persist with this feud?

But it was his claim that Sheedy spent too much time playing an ambassadorial role and not enough coaching that saw the veteran coach hit him with both barrels.

Wassa matter, Sheeds? Can't hack a bit of criticism?

"Clearly, in the end, two of his clubs (Fitzroy and Brisbane Bears) have gone broke and are out of existence"

Wrong! Two of Walls' clubs merged and spanked Essendon's arses in the 2001 Grand Final.
Also, it's ridiculous of Sheedy to somehow blame Walls for those clubs' financial woes. Walls lifted them both into the finals and probably helped keep them afloat for longer they would've otherwise been.

"Possibly one of his weaknesses was that he only wanted to coach the team, not build the organisation. I don't think he sees that when he writes about other organisations."

Hahahaha! Sheeds, you are a spanker... The inference here is that the great Kevin Sheedy is single-handedly responsible for Essendon's off-field power and riches. Sheedy has always falsely claimed credit for this. I remember during his embarrassing one-sided feud with Leigh Matthews, after Lethal had quit the Pies, he said "I'd rather have 30,000 members and 2 flags then 25,000 members and 1 flag".

Essendon have always been one of the big clubs - they were dormant sleeping giants back in the 70's. I remember the first Sunday game at the MCG versus Collingwood in 1981 when they drew about 90,000. But Sheedy acts like it's all his doing. How egotistical can you get?

Sheedy was lucky to be given the coaching job at Essendon. Fact. He was young, inexperienced and had his detractors. He was also lucky to receive a young playing list nurtured by Bill Stephen and Barry Davis, young champions that were ready to bloom over the next few years and help Sheedy make his name as a coach: Madden, Daniher, Watson, Neagle, Merrett...

"It's amazing that you can win a premiership and get into another Grand Final like he did at Carlton, and still be sacked two years after winning the flag. What does that say about him? What happened there?"

Walls worked for Elliott. If Sheeds had bosses like Elliott, he would've been sacked many times over the years. Maybe Walls isn't as good at kissing up to his bosses as Sheedy.

Nowadays, Walls is a media commentator. He gets paid to provide comment, stir the pot and get people talking about the game.
Sheedy's job is to coach a football team. The last time I checked, his team finished equal last.

What does that say about Sheeds? The man is getting desperate. Football is all he has ever known. The end is near. The writing is on the wall. Watcha gonna do with the rest of your life, Sheeds?

 

[DJONA2000]

Sheedy is one of the most thin-skinned, petty-minded individuals in football.
He's harboured a grudge against Walls for years (as Walls has against him) so if Sheeds is such a big man and Walls is such a small man, then why doesn't he just let it go? Why does he persist with this feud?

But it was his claim that Sheedy spent too much time playing an ambassadorial role and not enough coaching that saw the veteran coach hit him with both barrels.

Wassa matter, Sheeds? Can't hack a bit of criticism?

"Clearly, in the end, two of his clubs (Fitzroy and Brisbane Bears) have gone broke and are out of existence"

Wrong! Two of Walls' clubs merged and spanked Essendon's arses in the 2001 Grand Final.
Also, it's ridiculous of Sheedy to somehow blame Walls for those clubs' financial woes. Walls lifted them both into the finals and probably helped keep them afloat for longer they would've otherwise been.

"Possibly one of his weaknesses was that he only wanted to coach the team, not build the organisation. I don't think he sees that when he writes about other organisations."

Hahahaha! Sheeds, you are a spanker... The inference here is that the great Kevin Sheedy is single-handedly responsible for Essendon's off-field power and riches. Sheedy has always falsely claimed credit for this. I remember during his embarrassing one-sided feud with Leigh Matthews, after Lethal had quit the Pies, he said "I'd rather have 30,000 members and 2 flags then 25,000 members and 1 flag".

Essendon have always been one of the big clubs - they were dormant sleeping giants back in the 70's. I remember the first Sunday game at the MCG versus Collingwood in 1981 when they drew about 90,000. But Sheedy acts like it's all his doing. How egotistical can you get?

Sheedy was lucky to be given the coaching job at Essendon. Fact. He was young, inexperienced and had his detractors. He was also lucky to receive a young playing list nurtured by Bill Stephen and Barry Davis, young champions that were ready to bloom over the next few years and help Sheedy make his name as a coach: Madden, Daniher, Watson, Neagle, Merrett...

"It's amazing that you can win a premiership and get into another Grand Final like he did at Carlton, and still be sacked two years after winning the flag. What does that say about him? What happened there?"

Walls worked for Elliott. If Sheeds had bosses like Elliott, he would've been sacked many times over the years. Maybe Walls isn't as good at kissing up to his bosses as Sheedy.

Nowadays, Walls is a media commentator. He gets paid to provide comment, stir the pot and get people talking about the game.
Sheedy's job is to coach a football team. The last time I checked, his team finished equal last.

What does that say about Sheeds? The man is getting desperate. Football is all he has ever known. The end is near. The writing is on the wall. Watcha gonna do with the rest of your life, Sheeds?

84/85 still hurting?

lethal tears still in your mind?

good bye

 

[stugots]

Watcha gonna do with the rest of your life, Sheeds?

duno abt the 'rest' but i hear theres a gig coming up at that hacks, i mean, the hawks real soon

 

[DaSawx]

I'm pretty sure Sheeds would be satisfied with what he has achieved, not many would blame him

 

[Chewy]

84/85 still hurting?
lethal tears still in your mind?
good bye

Oooh... Ouch. You got me. That hurts. I've learned my lesson. Please make it stop.

i hear theres a gig coming up at that hacks, i mean, the hawks real soon

Awful comeback. 0/10.

I'm pretty sure Sheeds would be satisfied with what he has achieved, not many would blame him

Why does he indulge in these puerile stoushes with the likes of Walls? He demeans himself when he carries on like this. I remember listening to 3AW a few years back when he had a blue with Walls and he made an absolute knob of himself.

Sheedy's record and standing in the game are beyond dispute. Why does he get so bothered by what Walls says? Everyone get criticised from time to time, Sheedy probably less than most, yet he acts like a snotty teenager whenever someone has a go at him.

People on here don't need much of an excuse to bag Walls and I don't mean to sound like I'm sticking up for him. He is tiresome with his constant criticisms, but it's also his job to play the controversial commentator. Sheedy should stick to what he does best and coach the Dons back up the ladder. He embarrasses himself and his club when he sounds off like this in the media.

Maybe he's sticking up for his old mate, Bomber Thompson. Sheedy's a bit of a mongrel dog, but he's a loyal mongrel dog. That was a pretty harsh article by Walls the other day, on Bomber Thompson's job prospects.

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

This line is interesting. Is Sheeds saying that he wants the media to cloak their agendas within puff pieces?

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It made me laugh when I read it.

Took it to mean Watson's criticisms are more considered.

 

[DaSawx]

Why does he indulge in these puerile stoushes with the likes of Walls? He demeans himself when he carries on like this. I remember listening to 3AW a few years back when he had a blue with Walls and he made an absolute knob of himself.

Sheedy's record and standing in the game are beyond dispute. Why does he get so bothered by what Walls says? Everyone get criticised from time to time, Sheedy probably less than most, yet he acts like a snotty teenager whenever someone has a go at him.

People on here don't need much of an excuse to bag Walls and I don't mean to sound like I'm sticking up for him. He is tiresome with his constant criticisms, but it's also his job to play the controversial commentator. Sheedy should stick to what he does best and coach the Dons back up the ladder. He embarrasses himself and his club when he sounds off like this in the media.

Maybe he's sticking up for his old mate, Bomber Thompson. Sheedy's a bit of a mongrel dog, but he's a loyal mongrel dog. That was a pretty harsh article by Walls the other day, on Bomber Thompson's job prospects.

Kevin can go too far sometimes. I'd say he's quite proud at what he has achieved so when someone has a go at himself and people he knows and likes he won't hold back, may seem childish to some and some of it probably is. It's just hard for someone like Kevin to hold back when someone like Walls craps on and he may take it too far.

He probably overreacts to Walls much like a Hawthorn or Essendon fan is more likely to get fired up if trolled by the other teams fan. If there was a trolling Hawthorn thread started by a Bombers fan there is more likely to be a bigger backlash than if it was started by a Swans fan. Because this was Walls he probably took it futher than he normally would.

I don't know why you bother with the 'just concentrate on coaching' line, wouldn't have taken much thought or time for these comments while there's another 167.9 hours in the week to worry about coaching the team, I have a pretty good feeling he's trying to improve us, whether it happens this year or not remains to be seen.

 

[pazza]

Here's the point about the article and the response.

Sheedy would be considered a mentor to the various inexperienced coaches in the game. You have to wonder how many of the current coaches have direct coach with Sheedy privately. I'd say most if not all.

So when the people who you are mentoring get attacked - it's only fair to expect that the mentor goes out and defends the honour of those he/she is mentoring.

 

[Chewy]

I don't know why you bother with the 'just concentrate on coaching' line, wouldn't have taken much thought or time for these comments while there's another 167.9 hours in the week to worry about coaching the team, I have a pretty good feeling he's trying to improve us...

Good point. Sheedy probably talks about thousand different footy issues to a thousand different people each week and it isn't considered a distraction when the Bombers are winning.

You could say my criticisms were straight out of Robert Walls' own handbook:
"He doesn't need to do that... He's letting himself down and he's letting his teammates down... He should concentrate on winning games of football instead of getting distracted by peripheral issues... Blah blah blah..."

DJONA2000 might be West Coast Cretin, but is probably on the money.
Since the 84 Grand Final drug allegations, I hate Sheedy and everything he stands for.
Please ignore my rantings and resume the discussion.
Here, let me start: Robert Walls is twat....

 

[DaSawx]

The drug allegations were over 20 years ago and fwiw he regrets his involvement and how it was handled, people make mistakes, but yeah, that was a big one and a little embarrassing, even Sheeds would admit that nowadays

 

[Monkey King]

No coincidence the International Rules series denigrated in to a thug-fest under his coaching. Just look at his last 2 flags, both games having opposition players knocked out. Thug player, thug coach!

I wouldn't argue that the "poor little plumber from Prahran" hasn't done a lot for the game, but won't be missed by me when he's gone.​

 

[pazza]

No coincidence the International Rules series denigrated in to a thug-fest under his coaching. Just look at his last 2 flags, both games having opposition players knocked out. Thug player, thug coach!

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Do whatever it takes to win. Simple as that.

 

[Monkey King]

Do whatever it takes to win. Simple as that.

Does that philosophy include paying over the salary cap.

Ah, so Carlton aren't cheats at all, just superior strategists.

 

[pazza]

Does that philosophy include paying over the salary cap.

Ah, so Carlton aren't cheats at all, just superior strategists.

We weren't over the cap in 1993...yes it happened after that - but, not at that point.

 

[Monkey King]

We weren't over the cap in 1993...yes it happened after that - but, not at that point.

I'm just pointing out that such violence is not within the rules of the game.

 

[pazza]

I'm just pointing out that such violence is not within the rules of the game.

Of course it isn't. But, that's not say that it hasn't happened many many times before - hence Sheedy's 2001 comments about the snipers. He was one. So was Walls. So were most of the players who played before 1990. White Line Fever affected everyone of them at some stage.

 

[Monkey King]

Of course it isn't. But, that's not say that it hasn't happened many many times before - hence Sheedy's 2001 comments about the snipers. He was one. So was Walls. So were most of the players who played before 1990. White Line Fever affected everyone of them at some stage.

Some more than others. Sheedy = Thug of the highest order

He carried into his coaching days as well. Not that hasn't been a good coach though, but his days are surely numbered. He knows it too, which is why I presume he's hit back at Walls' opportunistic comments.

 

[Crow-mo]

Everyone has a special skill. Mum would prefer that I focused on piano.

ok, that was funny

 

[Crow-mo]

Is it really a comfort zone?

Yes sheeds has resources mostclubs envy but at the end of the day he works in a league which is big on parity meaning a lot of those resources mean jack. And he works for a successful club with high expectations and low tolerance for mediocrity. The fact he has stayed as long at a club that demands finals success every year and has acheived that goal in 19 of his 26 seasons is testiment to his ability to coach.

In a league which tries to make most teams bottom out over time he has kept his head above water better than most.

and your last line indicates you've misunderstood the argument. no one is saying he hasn't been a very very good coach. but I and others would have liked to see him take a difficult gig on, before pointing at his "winning %". And as for working in a league that that is big on parity, this has only really occurred in the last 3 or 4 years - a period in which he hasn't done very much. as a big, powerful suburban club he's been great. as a member of an equalised national league, that has finally shaken the remnants of zoning and entry concessions out, he's been decidely average. so lets not play that card huh?

Sanitation, i can spot **** a mile away.

you sure you're not in procurement

 

[Crow-mo]

No you get extra points for having to re-build that comfort zone, even though it has been pointed out several times Essendon was no comfort zone when he arrived.

yes it's been pointed out many times, and refuted just as many. did you forget that bit?

Sheedy more than anyone else is responsible for Essendon being a strong club. Without the sustained success through the 80's 90's & 00's Essendon could quite easlily have become another Richmond (shudders at the thought)

and yet your board has always been a hair trigger away from jettisoning him - I guess they haven't always been convinced either.

 

[pazza]

Some more than others. Sheedy = Thug of the highest order

Aren't too many skeletons in STG's (that's Sheedy the Great) closet.

He carried into his coaching days as well. Not that hasn't been a good coach though, but his days are surely numbered. He knows it too, which is why I presume he's hit back at Walls' opportunistic comments.

Yeah they probably are - but, it's not as if he is a candidate for the sack - it is more likely a well earned retirement at 60.

As for the presumption, you obviously have actually mis-read what he said and why he said it. It's more to do with his position in the game and the respect he has from his peers than anything else.

 

[Crow-mo]

Some more than others. Sheedy = Thug of the highest order

In sheeds defense, he was a pretty average footballer who made a long and decent career out of such applied thuggery.

 

[pazza]

and yet your board has always been a hair trigger away from jettisoning him - I guess they haven't always been convinced either.

Yep - fair point - I know of a current board member who has been very public about his views regarding exactly that.