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Should first round draft picks be given 4 year contracts

Discussion in 'AFL - The Australian Football League' started by RobbieGray17, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. _Mike_

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    not necessarily, contracts can be terminated by agreement well before they expire and so long as both parties agreeing. We're seeing more and more of players wanting to opt out of their current contracts and clubs agreeing. Its been a long time since we've seen clubs hold steady and fast in holding players to their contracts.
     

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  2. V_23

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    2 years with a team option for another two years. Time to give some power back to the clubs.

    If Lukosius and/or Rankine request a trade after their first two years, I expect the AFL to step in and change things significantly (and so they should).
     
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    Why would the AFL do that? Plenty of other clubs have already benefited from this happening. Why shouldn't Adelaide or Port?
     
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    I know it's not popular but a retention allowance should be reintroduced. Applies to all teams based on the % of interstate players on your list.
     
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    Yep I think 3 years is good, most players don't come on until the 3rd year anyway. Cutting players after 2 years can sometimes be a tad premature.
     
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    Any cap has to be done per player off %, shouldn't be allowed to pool the cola and use it to poach for 1 or 2 players like Swans were doing.
     
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    Cola is about supporting a business model, meaning ladder position is irrelevant on a short term basis
     
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    Cola is about supporting a business model, meaning ladder position is irrelevant on a short term basis
     
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    No, two years is plenty. People need to stop viewing drafting a player as trapping them for life. Pick 1 or pick 100, they are out of contract after two years and free to move via the trade/draft system. No FA rights until 8 years which is fair enough given players are drafted young and clubs often don't get anything out of them the first few years.

    The AFL just needs to have rules against clubs buying young players with massive contracts. Tom Boyd, Tom Scully (one off circumstance), Jake Lever... these sort of guys don't get max contracts in the NBA because they haven't met the criteria. Tom Lynch getting a big deal from Richmond after 8 years, 4x leading goalkicker, AA selection yeah that's fair enough. If you simply made it so the best players in the 25-30+ bracket were the only ones who could get the biggest contracts it would make a difference across the competition.
     
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    Then what happens when a deal can't be negotiated?
     
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    at the end of the 2nd year?

    AFL steps in and works with both parties to reach an agreement. Players should have 0 leaving power before the age of 22. If the player, club, and afl still can't reach an agreement, the player is immediately de-registered for 10 years.
     

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    Lowering the floor would have the added benefit of players not being paid overs before they've earnt it. It's much easier for Lynch to take significant unders at Richmond when he's already made plenty at the Suns.

    The 'something in return' could very easily be a shorter period of time before qualifying for Free Agency. The AFL are probably going to give it away for nothing eventually, may as well bring it forward to tie draftees to clubs for longer.

    If someone can't hack being interstate for that long then they will make a greater effort to get home, which perhaps means none of this nominating a preferred club bullshit.

    A club will concede a talent for a fair price if the reasons are pure enough, too many players taking liberties with 'homesickness' these days though.

    As has already been mentioned, GC are obligated to pay 95% of what the top clubs do. It's clearly not a money issue that is hurting them, it's the revolving door that has opened up.
     
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    It's a no from me. I cant see a proposal in this thread that looks better than what we have. It's a balance and when you change it it will have unintended consequences. Specifically there's a reason for the initial contracts being fixed and that's just not gonna work for longer timeframes.

    The lowering the floor for the minimum cap makes sense to me. I dont get why that restriction exists. It seems to me the market can sort out players values, if a club is paying way under somethings wrong, it's not a place a club would be happy to be.
     
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    The issue with clubs keeping players isn’t contract length, it’s the state of the club.
     
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    Location is also key. There is a reason Carlton did not lose as many big named players in their years of rubbishness compared to teams like Gold Coast and Brisbane.
     
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    The reason that players did not exodus Carlton is because they often had some hope.... they had Ratten, then they had the messiah in Malthouse.... and since then most have bought into hope again. Hope.


    It is the hopelessness at Gold Coast that makes players leave.... that is compounded by the fact they are a low supporter franchise.

    Brisbane was hopeless for a few years. The fact they are attracting players now for 2 years while being 2 years at the bottom of the ladder is because hope has been restored.
     
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    So they will become tyre fitters at their local Bob Jane Tmart?
     
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    Or they might pursue other sports or other opportunities.
     
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    I’ve been harping in about this for ages but there’s a lot about the NBA equalisation that I think could work in the AFL:

    - lower the salary cap floor
    - bottom 6(?) teams go into a lottery for the first 6 selections of the draft with the rest in order of their finishing position
    - clubs can trade up to 4 years of future picks
    - lower the RFA qualification to six years
    - draftees can trigger a two year player option by hitting a certain number of targets
    - the club of the draftees can trigger a club extension
     
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    I don't mind the idea of lowering the salary floor but that's not going to help with retention which seems to be the biggest problem.
    3 year contracts for first rounders and 2 year contracts from the second round on with a club option for a third seems fair for everyone. 3 years should be enough to change the mindset of the draftees.
     
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    Nba is the most unequal league of the big 4 American sports.
     
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    Probably more to do with team structure tbh
    1 superstar can be the difference from winning 70% of the time to just 20%

    Ala. Cleveland with and without Lebrun.
     
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    Problem is too many teams and not enough superstar talent. It means really good players can get to where they want easy, and bog average players can earn good money at the less desirable clubs.
     
  24. Wally Walpamur

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    I would say that has to do with no hard salary cap and the teams with the biggest wage bill, the owners/clubs are paying heaps in luxury tax. As long as we have a hard salary cap here, it will work.
     
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    I think the biggest issue is that there isn't a set pathway for a player to leave a club until the reach Free Agency. In theory, before this time, a player only has an option to with re-sign with their current club or go back to the draft. In practice though, players demand a trade to their club of choice and a circus generally follows. The club losing the player generally loses and it does run the risk of clubs like Gold Coast becoming farm teams. I think there's a need to sure up this pathway.

    1) As has been mentioned, lower the cap floor.

    2) Introduce no-consent trading. This would help give some power back to the clubs.

    3) I like the OPs idea but prefer the 2 years + 2 year team-option (for all 18-year old draftees). Maybe a 2 + 1 option for 19-year old draftees and a flat 2 year contract for mature-age draftees 20+ years of age. Maybe a 1 + 1 option for all rookies.

    4) Introduce free agency for all uncontracted players. Anyone coming off their first AFL contract is a restricted free agent. Otherwise, criteria for RFAs, UFAs, and DFAs could stay the same. It means all players could be free agents by 22 years old (bar some mature-age draftees). This would help stop the messy 'demanding' of trades + increase the free agent pool. In my opinion, it's good to see that clubs are more willing to hold their players to their contract rather than let them go relatively cheap. I'd want to see clubs 'poaching' free agents to have to pay through the nose to do so. I'd also like to see compensation picks come from the clubs getting the FA but that's a conversation for another thread.

    5) Introduce no-trade clauses into contracts. I know they do this in the NHL, not sure if it could work legally here though. Fairly self-explanatory, club and player can organise no-trade clauses into contract negotiations how they see fit. Maybe a it's a flat no-trade to any other team clause, or maybe no-trading to selected teams or states, or bottom 4 teams. I'd keep it flexible and would help players and maybe even clubs. Players can get peace of mind with a NTC while clubs might be able to keep a player for 100k cheaper (for example) by including a NTC into the contract.

    I can't see the AFLPA going for something like this though. Current AFL contracts seemingly already have an equivalent (in practice) to NTCs in them. They won't like lowering the cap floor and they certainly won't like no-consent trading. Not sure how they'd stand on longer draft contracts. The AFL would really have to sell drastically loosening free agency criteria to get any of the others through.
     
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