Should Murph stand down as Captain ?

[HBF]

Anybody else think Hendo could be a future captain for the CFC?

No reason why not.
In fact he could very well be the next captain should Murph not want it.

 

[BlueJet]

Replacing Murph as captain won't solve anything, outside of quenching peoples thirst for a scapegoat.
Strong teams have a host of strong leaders on their list and whether Murph/Simpson etc were captain, it wouldn't change the fact that there's a lack of calming or inspiring figures thoughout the squad.

 

[bluekidjoe]

Those saying the captaincy doesn't matter should pay close attention to Joel Selwood. If a captain isn't willing to near-on die for the win, then his team won't either. And if he can't get the players to near-on die for him, then his leadership is questionable and must be addressed. Leadership is not how good you are, it's how well you can motivate everyone around you to get the absolute most out of themselves, consistently. Murphy doesn't have natural leadership qualities. When the boys see him falter in the role, their confidence drops and our performance is a symptom of that.

 

[SBYM]

Have thought long and hard about this since Arsendon…

I wish he could, but don't think he should…

EDIT; should have clarified…things can easily be fixed in the off-season...

 

[Monkey King]

Make Simpson Co-captain to lighten the load and go from there.

That's actually not a bad idea.

 

[BM123]

That's actually not a bad idea.

Gee thanks for the complement. ...

 

[thylacine60]

Anybody else think Hendo could be a future captain for the CFC?

His coach at Geelong Falcons, Michael Turner, said he would captain an AFL club one day. I agree.

 

[chelseacarlton]

In that case,maybe elevate Simmo to co-capt and Lachy to vice.
A dual capt role would alleviate the pressure on murph without it seemingly belittling him.

 

[Wickzki]

The decision was made. It's a decision that we absolutely have to stand by.

There's 21 other blokes running around. You need each of them to be accountable for themselves and to step up when they see a teammate being unaccountable. It doesn't matter if its a younger player seeing a veteran being unaccountable they have to step up. If you get 22 players playing accountable football for themselves and keeping their teammates to that standard there is no discussion.

It doesn't matter how good a single individual leader is if the others aren't accountable for themselves.

 

[champorado]

Those saying the captaincy doesn't matter should pay close attention to Joel Selwood. If a captain isn't willing to near-on die for the win, then his team won't either. And if he can't get the players to near-on die for him, then his leadership is questionable and must be addressed. Leadership is not how good you are, it's how well you can motivate everyone around you to get the absolute most out of themselves, consistently. Murphy doesn't have natural leadership qualities. When the boys see him falter in the role, their confidence drops and our performance is a symptom of that.

I think the reason people undervalue the role of the captain here (he's just there for the coin toss..) is because we don't have a particularly good one (not a knock on Murph as a player). A captain is leader number one, with those in the leadership group following his example, and the rest of the players following them. It's not a good look when your captain stops running to have a sook at the umps. And I agree, it's not just about being the best player in your team, which when he's on song he undoubtedly is, but mostly about your ability to motivate your team. When you go for a dinky handball over the top, when you should run inside fifty to kick a captain's goal, that tells me you're not trying to lead. When the game is on the line at 3-quarter time and you handball off that responsibility to motivate to Simmo or Carrots, then that tells me you're not the one who should have that title (or the burden that comes with it).

I thought it should have gone to Simpson, originally. Though he won our best and fairest last year, I thought he was heading into the latter stages of his career. It would have been a fitting title for someone who has been the heart and soul of our club. Being in the latter stages of his career, I think he would have been in a better position to handle the responsibilities and external burdens placed on a captain. Murphy should still be in his prime and not have to worry about these things. With whatever time left Simmo has, it still would have left enough time for Murphy to take up the mantle if he wanted it at a more mature stage of his career. Perhaps his extended teething phase with the role will make it easier for him when he does get to that point.

I agree with most here in that taking it off Murphy would be the wrong move now. With the way that we operate, he pretty much does share the load with the vice-captains, so internally, the boys probably don't look to him only. Externally, it doesn't stop the media and sometimes myself from questioning the decision. It's not the optimum way to use the captain moniker, but I don't think a demotion would make things better.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Not everyone is made out to be captain. Look at The Dominator's term - it seriously crimped his form until he was relieved of it. It's why you don't automatically give it to your best player. It's not about talent, it's about head & heart.

Someone who'll always go when it's their turn. Someone who'll let others know when they don't. Someone who knows what needs to be done without being told by a runner. Someone who won't compromise.

 

[bluekidjoe]

I'd lift Simmo to co-captain and lift Hendo into the VC position alongside Carrots.

 

[ShanDog]

I think the reason people undervalue the role of the captain here (he's just there for the coin toss..) is because we don't have a particularly good one (not a knock on Murph as a player). A captain is leader number one, with those in the leadership group following his example, and the rest of the players following them.

Sorry mate, just can't agree with you on that. There's nothing in the modern game that necessitates someone from the team to be singled out as the captain and leader of the club. They do not make decisions, and they serve the same purpose as all those in the leadership group - set the example and tone both on field and off, as well as mentor younger players.

IMHO, the coach should be the coach, the senior players should be leaders. All of them, not one player (captain) being the barometer for the whole side.

 

[Old Dark Blues]

Anybody else think Hendo could be a future captain for the CFC?

Yes.

It should not be seen as a negative taking it from Murphy - I always felt he was too young and pushed into it by the marketing department.

Bloody marketing.

Anyway, yes and then some.

 

[Chism]

Everyone wants someones head to roll and Murph is copping it from every angle. Give him some help FFS and we have had 20 passengers in every game this season not just Murph alone.

A Co Captain to help him is the best idea yet and Simmo , Hendo , Jammo etc are all worthy.

Just for the record also we have a leadership GROUP like every other club does yet the group as a whole gets off scott free while Murph cops the lot on his shoulders, people need to get a grip and just relax and while we are all angry currently why direct all the blame at Murph when many club leaders and senior players have been worse this season so far.

 

[Aphrodite]

Everyone wants someones head to roll and Murph is copping it from every angle. Give him some help FFS and we have had 20 passengers in every game this season not just Murph alone.

A Co Captain to help him is the best idea yet and Simmo , Hendo , Jammo etc are all worthy.

Just for the record also we have a leadership GROUP like every other club does yet the group as a whole gets off scott free while Murph cops the lot on his shoulders, people need to get a grip and just relax and while we are all angry currently why direct all the blame at Murph when many club leaders and senior players have been worse this season so far.

I cannot like this post enough!

 

[chelseacarlton]

I'd lift Simmo to co-captain and lift Hendo into the VC position alongside Carrots.

Echo echo echo

 

[AB_Blue]

He cops a harsh wrap imo. Be nice if we had 22 leaders on the field. Hell id even take half a dozen atm.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I believe taking it from Murphy will only hurt his performance futher

But why don't we elevate Simpson to Co-Captain, The Club keeps the pretty poster boy Murphy, who I am sure will develop to be a better captain over time, and right now the boys can turn to arguable the heart and soul of our club Simmo

(Personally i think Carrots is no longer a guarenteed best 22 player, so we can't give it to him)

Edit: Seems this idea was already raised, go us for all thinkign of it

 

[NumberEight]

Hes been a woeful captain so far...but theres no going back now.

Needs to stick at it and get better.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I cannot like this post enough!

Yep same with me, I suppose everyone questioning Murphy's leadership and captaincy role will all suggest he is a better leader or captain once he gets 30 touches and kicks 3 goals.

 

[koutamarto]

I think the reason people undervalue the role of the captain here (he's just there for the coin toss..) is because we don't have a particularly good one (not a knock on Murph as a player). A captain is leader number one, with those in the leadership group following his example, and the rest of the players following them. It's not a good look when your captain stops running to have a sook at the umps. And I agree, it's not just about being the best player in your team, which when he's on song he undoubtedly is, but mostly about your ability to motivate your team. When you go for a dinky handball over the top, when you should run inside fifty to kick a captain's goal, that tells me you're not trying to lead. When the game is on the line at 3-quarter time and you handball off that responsibility to motivate to Simmo or Carrots, then that tells me you're not the one who should have that title (or the burden that comes with it).

I thought it should have gone to Simpson, originally. Though he won our best and fairest last year, I thought he was heading into the latter stages of his career. It would have been a fitting title for someone who has been the heart and soul of our club. Being in the latter stages of his career, I think he would have been in a better position to handle the responsibilities and external burdens placed on a captain. Murphy should still be in his prime and not have to worry about these things. With whatever time left Simmo has, it still would have left enough time for Murphy to take up the mantle if he wanted it at a more mature stage of his career. Perhaps his extended teething phase with the role will make it easier for him when he does get to that point.

I agree with most here in that taking it off Murphy would be the wrong move now. With the way that we operate, he pretty much does share the load with the vice-captains, so internally, the boys probably don't look to him only. Externally, it doesn't stop the media and sometimes myself from questioning the decision. It's not the optimum way to use the captain moniker, but I don't think a demotion would make things better.

Or he is trying to do the right thing (right or wrong) by the team, by bringing his team mates into it. I would have loved murph running through 50 kicking that goal, and 2 years ago he would have. As captain he was TRYING to do the right thing. And if you think he went up to Carrots @ half time and said mate do you think you can address the boys because I dont have the leadership qualities, or if you think only the captain should address the playing group you are an idiot and probably haven't played a lot of team sports!!

 

[koutamarto]

Yep same with me, I suppose everyone questioning Murphy's leadership and captaincy role will all suggest he is a better leader or captain once he gets 30 touches and kicks 3 goals.

Exactly.

 

[kjr8]

If he stands down, then he'll be called gutless for not being able to hack being a captain... to relinquish it would make him go more into his shell. The best thing for Murphy now is to believe in himself and pull himself out of this slump and be a leader.

Couldn't agree more.


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[Daves not here]

Sorry mate, just can't agree with you on that. There's nothing in the modern game that necessitates someone from the team to be singled out as the captain and leader of the club. They do not make decisions, and they serve the same purpose as all those in the leadership group - set the example and tone both on field and off, as well as mentor younger players.

IMHO, the coach should be the coach, the senior players should be leaders. All of them, not one player (captain) being the barometer for the whole side.

Yeah but then who gets to do the coin toss?