Should Murph stand down as Captain ?

[blues4flag]

Henderson strikes me as an ideal captain. Extremely well spoken in the media, vocal on the field and importantly is always encouraging his teammates. Only stumbling block is he does sometimes lack consistency in his game, particularly up forward but I wouldn't be amiss to making him joint captains with Murphy next season. At the very least elevated to vice captain.

 

[Old Dark Blues]

For those who don't want Murphy sacked - what if he wants to hand it over ? What if it could mean a better on field performance ?

It really is meaningless to consider Murphy's feelings in this - really is.

That said - the only way it should happen is if he steps down himself. However, I don't think he would be man enough to do that, only because I sense he would feel it would be letting other people down.

He comes across as a bloody great bloke Murph - but he appears to have no learnt the lesson yet that you are not here to please everyone - If he can move beyond trying to be everyones mate, he might be awesome.

Right now though - Henderson.

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[thylacine60]

For those who don't want Murphy sacked - what if he wants to hand it over ? What if it could mean a better on field performance ?

It really is meaningless to consider Murphy's feelings in this - really is.

That said - the only way it should happen is if he steps down himself. However, I don't think he would be man enough to do that, only because I sense he would feel it would be letting other people down.

He comes across as a bloody great bloke Murph - but he appears to have no learnt the lesson yet that you are not here to please everyone - If he can move beyond trying to be everyones mate, he might be awesome.

Right now though - Henderson.

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[latrell]

Simpson should be your captain. Sounds silly but he looks like a carlton person. He seems to carry a link between the current era and the 'Kouta' era which murphy or judd don't. For a proud club like carlton you need this 'link' or its almost like the proud traditions and knowledge passed on through eras and generations is lost. I hope this makes sense.

 

[blues4flag]

Simpson should be your captain. Sounds silly but he looks like a carlton person. He seems to carry a link between the current era and the 'Kouta' era which murphy or judd don't. For a proud club like carlton you need this 'link' or its almost like the proud traditions and knowledge passed on through eras and generations is lost. I hope this makes sense.

It doesn't sound silly, he's vice captain and was a very close second to Murphy at the time.

 

[BlueBelle]

Murph should most definitely not stand down as Captain. What kind of message would that send!!!

Should he have been named Captain last year? Probably because he was the most logical given age, etc but Simmo always had my vote.

I'd hate to think where we'd be without Simmo

 

[ODNBlue]

If only they'd asked us to run a poll at the time...

 

[thylacine60]

Simmo seems to be the only Carlton player other club supporters respect.

 

[latrell]

Simmo seems to be the only Carlton player other club supporters respect.

I still don't know why hes not playing on the wing

 

[thylacine60]

Adds a bit of run and steel down back. In an ideal world...

 

[SeVi]

I understand this is hypothetical, but nevertheless there's no way Murph should or will stand down.

I don't believe there is anyone outside of probably Simpson who is able to be a captain in that event. Hendo might be a good captain down the track, but I don't think he is capable at this stage. This is the whole problem. The leadership group is disfunctional. There is no one at this stage who could captain the club after Murphy. I would have given the captaincy to Simpson instead of Murphy last feb with the expectation he would be VC and the sucessor.

Last thing we want is Hendo to stop performing on the back of the weight of the captaincy. This has be no1 recruitment requirement.

I like to look at Geelong. After Harley the Cats appointed Ling for two seasons before Selwood, when possibly they could of just gone straight to him. I'm not a fan of what Melbourne did by throwing Trengove under the bus, giving him the captaincy at 20. I'm worried though. Carlton has always given the captaincy to the best player NOT the best leader and I think this is a strong factor behind or poor form to date.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Wayne Carey,love or or hate him said something very interesting about Murph.
A Captain should be up and about talking to the players after a loss like that not sitting with some of the blokes!.
Ok
We don't know that he hadn't already or was going to....
An interesting observation nonetheless about Murphs general demeanour after that kind of loss!.
It's time to rally the troops weather in defeat or victory "you" as Captain,should be getting around all the boys and leading.
I only hope he can grow into "his" way of being a leader of men and boys and finally the CFC

 

[thylacine60]

We made an introvert captain. What did we expect would happen?

 

[Just Kreuzing]

We made an introvert captain. What did we expect would happen?

Exactly, no fault of his own, just need him to grow in the role and the best way to do that is support him through this period. He does really need players like Judd, Simpson ad Carrazzo supporting him at the moment.

 

[chelseacarlton]

I have a mate that is classic A type personality a leader in his field,a leader of men.
I have another that is a creative,sensitive,a leader of a large team,although extremely introverted.
I know which one would truly have my back stepping into battle and it ain't the first bloke.

 

[thylacine60]

great point, cc - sobriety suits you

 

[BM123]

Wayne Carey,love or or hate him said something very interesting about Murph.
A Captain should be up and about talking to the players after a loss like that not sitting with some of the blokes!.
Ok
We don't know that he hadn't already or was going to....
An interesting observation nonetheless about Murphs general demeanour after that kind of loss!.
It's time to rally the troops weather in defeat or victory "you" as Captain,should be getting around all the boys and leading.
I only hope he can grow into "his" way of being a leader of men and boys and finally the CFC

Wayne King must have paid plenty of attention to his captain's message when he was sleeping with his wife.

 

[Jimbos1]

From an external viewpoiny, no I dont think he should step down. Although I do believe it was a mistake naming him in the first place. He is a talented player and seems like a nice guy and all but a captain needs to get the team to rally behind him. Pavlich and Jobe I think are currently one of the best captains and not because of their ball skills but their personality and how they carry themself.

Yes, Simpson would have been a better option.

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[Jimbos1]

We made an introvert captain. What did we expect would happen?

My thoughts EXACTLY. Jobe, Ling these are the personalities you look for in a captain.

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[ESKIE]

Don't the players vote who they want as captain,

 

[chelseacarlton]

Wayne King must have paid plenty of attention to his captain's message when he was sleeping with his wife.

That's why I included the love him or hate him reference.
His comment is still pertinent as a football commentator though,as opposed to a Journo that's never really been apart of the machinations of a football club.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Don't the players vote who they want as captain,

They vote for the overall leadership group but the captain is appointed.

 

[kingkingston]

way too much over reacting has been going on from the supporters lately

 

[BluStreak]

On no account should Murph step down or even be made to feel like he should step down. He should be coached, counselled as needed and above all, supported by his team-mates.
If the captaincy doesn't seem to be suiting him, it should be reviewed at the end of the season, out of public scrutiny. The last thing we want to do is publicly humiliate one of our finest players.

A common saying is that if you want to fly like an eagle don't hang with the turkeys.

Expoliated - If you want to be the Captain hang out with other Captains. (not of other clubs but our ex's like Maclure, Sticks, Johno , Juddy etc).
Is he getting time with these guys?


Edit: - Include the leadership group in those sessions.

 

[Blue Flame]

Fact is Murph will be the sole captain at least to the end of the year.
Leadership can be taught. But, as others have touched on, leadership isn't being a big, loudmouthed party boy a la Carey or Brown.
Pavlich is one of the best leaders out there, with the likes of Selwood, Watson and Hodge up there as well.
Discussions in this forum suggest that there are two things we want from a leader, one is visual and physical inspiration (those calling for a line in the sand game), and another is communication and verbal leadership (those calling for Simmo as a motivator).
These traits are not things we are born with, contrary to popular belief. We learn them, it is simply a question of how and when we learn them.
Physically
I have posted my thoughts on this earlier (regarding Kruez and Gibbs). Psychological toughness training is not that difficult, and even could be implemented by our current coaches. Again, similar to martial arts training, where you repeat punches and actions until it is clear you are not subconsciously holding back. Bringing out the yell in training, as well as teaching the boys that in every attempt you try to split the tackle bag in two, not bouncing off it and getting back in line are the keys.
Verbally
This is easier, and something I used to teach. Speaking in front of people and sounding and looking confident is actually difficult, but easy to teach. This brings out greater confidence in the person and in the way they carry themselves. People can be taught to stand straight and to make themselves heard and to communicate a message. I emphasise again this is not something people are born with, but a specialist area, separate from media training.