Should Murph stand down as Captain ?

[thylacine60]

Not everyone is made out to be captain. Look at The Dominator's term - it seriously crimped his form until he was relieved of it. It's why you don't automatically give it to your best player. It's not about talent, it's about head & heart.

Someone who'll always go when it's their turn. Someone who'll let others know when they don't. Someone who knows what needs to be done without being told by a runner. Someone who won't compromise.

Same with Ian Botham.

 

[The Coach]

Yep same with me, I suppose everyone questioning Murphy's leadership and captaincy role will all suggest he is a better leader or captain once he gets 30 touches and kicks 3 goals.

That might make him an inspiration but not a more complete leader - if he looks like a 10yo addressing the media he cannot be a natural talker to the players either (which he admits). The captain is as important as the runner in getting the coach's message across on the field - would you have a runner who is shy?

Now is not the time for a change but it is time for the whole leadership group to have an onfield leadership plan

 

[Just Kreuzing]

An in form Murphy is more important to Carlton at the moment then an out of form Captain.

 

[The Coach]

An in form Murphy is more important to Carlton at the moment then an out of form Captain.

At present that is mutually exclusive

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Instruction and direction on the field should not be left up to 1 single player, we need to spread the load and have leaders and players with these traits across every line.

The entire leadership group should be copping what Murphy is getting at the moment.

 

[ShanDog]

Yeah but then who gets to do the coin toss?

Taking into account themed rounds (Indigenous round [Garlett etc], Multicultural round [Carrazzo etc], Heritage round [Simpson's beard], Women's round [Gibbs]) as well as milestone-game guys, there are only about 4 rounds left for the coin toss to be raffled in an intra-club fundraiser. Sorted!

 

[The Coach]

Instruction and direction on the field should not be left up to 1 single player, we need to spread the load and have leaders and players with these traits across every line.

The entire leadership group should be copping what Murphy is getting at the moment.

Sticks in his clips on the TV news refers to the leadership group

 

[Miles Milton]

Not really sure I understand the criticism towards Murphy at all. Before last weeks game to Melbourne he was leading the club in disposals, coming second in tackles and was leading fantasy points, and that's a Murphy that's out of form. I think Murph is doing his best with a club that is terribly out of form and he is getting 0 support from his team mates. Replacing him as a captain is such a knee jerk reaction that will do nothing to help the club. Simpson is 29 years old, not a good choice for a captain for a team that really needs to start looking to youth and the future.

 

[thylacine60]

Do you go to games Miles or just study stats reports?

 

[Miles Milton]

Do you go to games Miles or just study stats reports?

Haven't missed a game mate

 

[The Coach]

Not really sure I understand the criticism towards Murphy at all. Before last weeks game to Melbourne he was leading the club in disposals, coming second in tackles and was leading fantasy points, and that's a Murphy that's out of form. I think Murph is doing his best with a club that is terribly out of form and he is getting 0 support from his team mates. Replacing him as a captain is such a knee jerk reaction that will do nothing to help the club. Simpson is 29 years old, not a good choice for a captain for a team that really needs to start looking to youth and the future.

I do not agree with him being sacked either but his stats have little to do with whether he is a leader - a bit like Davey Ellard leading our goalkicking does not make him a nomination for full forward

I have bemoaned our lack of leaders since joining the board (I went for Duigan as captain as he would be a leader but might not good enough to get a game)

Hopefully we will find a good stop gap for 2015-16 and then one of our kids will prove to be a natural and do a Selwood and captain as a kid

 

[Wickzki]

Simpson is 29 years old, not a good choice for a captain for a team that really needs to start looking to youth and the future.

Simpson is a perfect choice for co-captain for a team looking to youth because he personifies everything it means to be CARLTON.

We need a generation of Simpson's.

 

[Weiterbot23]

IMO he wasn't the best choice. I thought this at the time and still feel the same way. Having played with him, he's a solid citizen that says the rights things. But there's nothing to him, nothing that makes a great leader.

Toeing the line and saying the obvious right thing while being a good player is not enough.


Add that to him being a tiny man and having to cop a tag every week from someone that can physically dominate him. It's too much for the bloke.

Should have been Simmo.


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[BIGGUS 64]

On no account should Murph step down or even be made to feel like he should step down. He should be coached, counselled as needed and above all, supported by his team-mates.
If the captaincy doesn't seem to be suiting him, it should be reviewed at the end of the season, out of public scrutiny. The last thing we want to do is publicly humiliate one of our finest players.

 

[thylacine60]

Haven't missed a game mate

We need more supporters like you then.

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

Time for the club and supporters to bunker down and support Murphy and the team. Enough of this shit of sacking everyone that moves and making knee jerk reactions. We want to build a sustainable club and culture well reactions like this are not the answer. We have had a bad month and it may be a terrible season but the time for decisions is at season's end. No matter what anybody might like nothing can be changed until then. Get behind this bloke and show him support as it is the only way he can grow as a leader. If I recall correctly this bloke recently signed a new deal with a minimum of fuss and put the club first when he could have probably waited and earned a truck load more elsewhere, time for us of us to pay him some respect and back him in.

 

[champorado]

Sorry mate, just can't agree with you on that. There's nothing in the modern game that necessitates someone from the team to be singled out as the captain and leader of the club. They do not make decisions, and they serve the same purpose as all those in the leadership group - set the example and tone both on field and off, as well as mentor younger players.

IMHO, the coach should be the coach, the senior players should be leaders. All of them, not one player (captain) being the barometer for the whole side.

That's fair enough. I see your point, and agree that those functions of a captain don't fall solely to an individual. I just think as long as that hierarchy is in place, I can't shake the notion that the captain will take on more of that responsibility than a vice-captain, or that of someone in the leadership group. Murphy kicking a goal means something more to me than Henderson kicking a goal, and if Murph got suspended, it'd carry more weight to me than what Walker's suspension did.

Or he is trying to do the right thing (right or wrong) by the team, by bringing his team mates into it. I would have loved murph running through 50 kicking that goal, and 2 years ago he would have. As captain he was TRYING to do the right thing. And if you think he went up to Carrots @ half time and said mate do you think you can address the boys because I dont have the leadership qualities, or if you think only the captain should address the playing group you are an idiot and probably haven't played a lot of team sports!!

You could interpret those instances that way, I suppose. I just feel if a captain has the chance to be the one to make an impact at an important moment, that he would grab that opportunity to lift his team.

 

[AceAndy]

Interested in who actually made the decision to appoint Murph as captain ? I hear suggestions it was done as a contract negotiation thing or a marketing ploy but just wondering who at the club were the decision makers involved.

 

[HBF]

Love Murph as a player, but as a leader he is really struggling. Listening to him speak to today was more like listening to someone who was getting in trouble for their high school teacher. There's no strength when he talks - he's been around footy for ages now and there is still a nervousness in his voice.

 

[FRUMPY]

Simpson and carrazzo are both vice captains. They have their roles and have been let downs as much as murphy has. Murphy will grow into the role and is the right man for the job.

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[ESKIE]

I back Murphy as well, the team is horribly out of form, the other leaders of the team should shoulder some of the responsibility as well, Murphy is capable i remember his captains game v. Port Adelaide last year, he was the difference, got us over the line, into the finals.

Lets get behind him, support him, he's not the only one struggling, felt for him coming off the ground on Saturday, looked visibly upset.

 

[Aphrodite]

#STANDBYMURPH

 

[Koutafidamidis]

I think we should have co captains

bruce mathieson and jeannie pratt

no one would go near them lol,

imagine jeannie coming out of a pack at you? also no one will be able to match their wages

 

[Garth Vader]

Actually, I imagine it would take an awful lot of courage to relinquish the captaincy right now. There's too much heat on the club right now, so I don't think he should consider it for another few games, maybe. I just think, with the sort of group we have, with a lot of young players coming in, it would be good to have a leader who not only leads by example, but does so by (ridiculously) putting his body on the line - just has to be Simmo for mine. Having said all that, feel sorry for Smurph - has had some cruel injuries that would test anyone's mettle. Anyway, the decision to give him the captaincy was wrong (granted, with 20/20 hindsight), and I almost sensed some reservation in Mick's tone at the time and since. EDIT: I'm really being side-tracked with my comments above, agree with others: obviouslybigger issues to deal with!

Image of Hawthorn players kicking sand in our faces as we desperately scribble SOS on the beach.

Really didn't need to laugh that hard with my sore abdomen

 

[Garth Vader]

Make Simpson Co-captain to lighten the load and go from there.

Brilliantly elegant solution, BM