Smith's kick

[Dipper]

I suspect you are a Geelong troll account.

Go back to their Board - you'll love it!

Lol I know your alias/ troll detector is a touch over sensitive at times but I think you're barking up the right tree in a general sense but not Geelong, one of our own, an infamous wordsmith who has become somewhat bitter over the last year.

MoustachioNuts interestingly affected the faltering English of a southern European migrant in his first few posts and now after an intensive English study period he's as eloquent as the bard.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Too many people making excuses for Smith.
We're not Footscray or St Kilda.

Quit trolling for a response.

 

[QuietB]

I blame the Audi adds

 

[MoustachioNuts]

Quit trolling for a response.

I was being dead serious.

 

[MoustachioNuts]

Lol I know your alias/ troll detector is a touch over sensitive at times but I think you're barking up the right tree in a general sense but not Geelong, one of our own, an infamous wordsmith who has become somewhat bitter over the last year.

tu quoque...

MoustachioNuts interestingly affected the faltering English of a southern European migrant in his first few posts and now after an intensive English study period he's as eloquent as the bard.

Michel Thomas is a genius.
It served an offline purpose too.

It is bemusing that when I stick to football and make pointed arguments, people get personal.
Quite apparent that one must not go against the orthodoxy...
All hail the messiahs, and the naughty boys.

Does becoming a mod give one a personality transplant?

 

[MoustachioNuts]

btw, adios.
It's been fun.

 

[Gralin]

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

He certainly rushed the kick. Especially when he was tired from running down the other end to take the mark. Just didn't handle the moment very well.
Unfortunately it will stick with him his whole career and oppo won't let him forget.

I think Smith will move on. He certainly rushed it and maybe didn't concentrate enough but Hodge giving a 50 and goal to Sel was a bigger issue for mine.

 

[Ordovician]

Smith's technique in taking the shot was simply appalling and unprofessional like so many of his peers.

He did everything wrong that could possibly be done to reduce his chances of kicking the goal.

If he had employed a decent technique and missed then that is bad luck but this was not the case.

 

[grumbleguts]

I'm over the whole smith thing. Fact is, we were 3 goals up in the 3rd and let them back in -that's where the game was lost.
We win as a team, ditto when we lose.

We win as a team when we lose?
Awesome!
I'll tell the kids, they'll be rapt. But will look a little weird going down by 32 points and celebrating as we leave the ground.

Or am I reading this wrong?

 

[Hawker_85]

We win as a team when we lose?
Awesome!
I'll tell the kids, they'll be rapt. But will look a little weird going down by 32 points and celebrating as we leave the ground.

Or am I reading this wrong?

As Hawthorn supporters, even when we lose games we win at life.

 

[butchy]

Disappointed he missed but not disappointed with him. He played a good game.

More disappointed with Hodge costing us a goal by giving away a stupid 50m penalty. And with the umpire who called play on when Rioli got a 2 handed push square in the back in the last quarter.

I'm fairly convinced another week off would have been just as bad, if not worse for our chances as having to play an extra game and an away PF.

yep lets blame Hodge.....geezus...runs on the board doesnt count for much...

50 paid was incorrect. Hodge was mouthing off and pointing at Andrew Mackie. The umpire next to Hodge didnt bat an eyelid.
The umpire 50m away saw a finger point and assumed it was at the umpire and paid 50. so blame the umpire if you like blaming people for things

 

[PoopingHindi]

we got ahead of ourselves and played about 5 minutes of Hollywood football when we were 3 goals up. it gave the Cats a sniff. next thing you know they score and have momentum and scoreboard pressure.

Smith and Hodge i can forgive but im still dirty on every player that touched the ball in that 5 minute period.

 

[cryptor]

yep lets blame Hodge.....geezus...runs on the board doesnt count for much...

50 paid was incorrect. Hodge was mouthing off and pointing at Andrew Mackie. The umpire next to Hodge didnt bat an eyelid.
The umpire 50m away saw a finger point and assumed it was at the umpire and paid 50. so blame the umpire if you like blaming people for things

Where did I say I blame Hodge? I only said I was disappointed with him for doing that. He'd be disappointed with himself too that he let himself get sucked into an off the ball incident with the most umpire protected player in the game. It only ever has one outcome.

And anyway, no single incident is to blame for a loss that close.

 

[Mappa]

Luke 'Clutch' Breust? lol.

He can kick some rippers at times, but when the game is on the line I'd rather have Shiels lining up for goal. Case in point, Breust had a chance in the last quarter to nail the game. I expected him to miss. I was not let down.

Yep. He is a bit dodgy when the heat is on sometimes

 

[Mappa]

I for one will be very interested in how Isaac plays this Friday night. It can go either one of two ways. He lets that moment get to him and he switches off mentally, or he uses it as an incredible motivating factor and tears up the game, kicking 3 straight in the process.

I have faith that it will be the second of those scenarios

You can bet that plenty of Bulldogs players will remind him of it too

 

[Lotus]

Practice and practice again

 

[PoopingHindi]

Practice and practice again

did he kick it?

 

[StillAtLarge]

Practice and practice again

What's shiels paying to kick the goal behind him? Write your own ticket?

 

[kirbatron]

did he kick it?

Straight through the middle

 

[QuietB]

Smith's technique in taking the shot was simply appalling and unprofessional like so many of his peers.

He did everything wrong that could possibly be done to reduce his chances of kicking the goal.

If he had employed a decent technique and missed then that is bad luck but this was not the case.

I have a theory on this. And to explain it I will use Buddy as he is the most unusual.

When Buddy kicks for goal the ball starts swinging left to right or straight and then tails off pretty sharply in the opposite direction to the left at the end.

So this is my theory;

1. When Buddy is close to goal it doesn't really matter - there is not enough time/distance for the swing of the ball in the air to matter.
2. When Buddy is 50m out he knows where his kicks are going to land so he can take an accurate aim. This is why he is so successful from 50m.
3. When Buddy is 30m out he has no effing idea where the ball is going to be in flight when it passes the goals. It is like if you drew a snake on the ground, and the middle of the snake has to go through the posts and in order for that to happen Buddy has to aim the end of the snake at some random point he has no idea how to find. So predictably, he misses.

I believe that players struggle from mid range because they have no freaking idea where the ball is in flight half way through the air with their normal kicking action. Or at least no confidence in where it will be.

And because of this players either half kick them or stab them and they have even less idea about this ball flight.

For perfectly straight kickers it is not an issue. For hookfoots it is a nightmare.

Just my 2 cents worth.

I would also add I think it is why some players are great kicks for goal but terrible field kicks. You get them to kick a ball straight, fine, no problem and of course it can land anywhere over the goal umpires hat. You introduce range to the kick, ie. It has to hit a player on the chest and it can end up anywhere. Danger and Swans Kennedy are good examples.

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

I have a theory on this. And to explain it I will use Buddy as he is the most unusual.

When Buddy kicks for goal the ball starts swinging left to right or straight and then tails off pretty sharply in the opposite direction to the left at the end.

So this is my theory;

1. When Buddy is close to goal it doesn't really matter - there is not enough time/distance for the swing of the ball in the air to matter.
2. When Buddy is 50m out he knows where his kicks are going to land so he can take an accurate aim. This is why he is so successful from 50m.
3. When Buddy is 30m out he has no effing idea where the ball is going to be in flight when it passes the goals. It is like if you drew a snake on the ground, and the middle of the snake has to go through the posts and in order for that to happen Buddy has to aim the end of the snake at some random point he has no idea how to find. So predictably, he misses.

I believe that players struggle from mid range because they have no freaking idea where the ball is in flight half way through the air with their normal kicking action. Or at least no confidence in where it will be.

And because of this players either half kick them or stab them and they have even less idea about this ball flight.

For perfectly straight kickers it is not an issue. For hookfoots it is a nightmare.

Just my 2 cents worth.

I would also add I think it is why some players are great kicks for goal but terrible field kicks. You get them to kick a ball straight, fine, no problem and of course it can land anywhere over the goal umpires hat. You introduce range to the kick, ie. It has to hit a player on the chest and it can end up anywhere. Danger and Swans Kennedy are good examples.

Prob with Buddy and others is that they vary their run up and trajectory as well which makes it almost pointless to practice unless you have a repeatable routine with no variables...and I'm repeating myself here but the higher you kick it the less lateral move you get. So unless you're a Plugger with a dead pin drop of the ball, at the very least give it some elevation and straight away you're a better chance of it going straighter ......and don't vary the impact force, kick it 50m every time whether you're 5,25 or 50m out !!

You see players wRming up before a game having shots, there will sometimes be no one standing the mark (another waste of time) and they just amble in and have a few shots. The game then starts and they'll have a set shot from the same spot, then bc they don't have a drilled routine and nerves kick in, suddenly the run up length and speed changes , they have to consider the man on the mark, the force and height of the kick changes so of course there is a different result!! It might go through, it might not, but a hell of a lot of it has been left to chance.

 

[butchy]

Where did I say I blame Hodge? I only said I was disappointed with him for doing that. He'd be disappointed with himself too that he let himself get sucked into an off the ball incident with the most umpire protected player in the game. It only ever has one outcome.

And anyway, no single incident is to blame for a loss that close.

when you said disappointed, that led me to say blame. if thats not what you meant, then my bad.
But i still cant be disappointed in a guy who was in a shouting match with player and pulled up for no reason.
Nor am i worried about the incident with Selwood. Worried me more that off the ball incidents happened all over the place all night, yet only this one got picked up. mitchell copped it all night especially.
We play our best when we are on the edge. When on the edge, occasionally you go over. I am happy to take the good with the bad.

 

[butchy]

Prob with Buddy and others is that they vary their run up and trajectory as well which makes it almost pointless to practice unless you have a repeatable routine with no variables...and I'm repeating myself here but the higher you kick it the less lateral move you get. So unless you're a Plugger with a dead pin drop of the ball, at the very least give it some elevation and straight away you're a better chance of it going straighter ......and don't vary the impact force, kick it 50m every time whether you're 5,25 or 50m out !!

You see players wRming up before a game having shots, there will sometimes be no one standing the mark (another waste of time) and they just amble in and have a few shots. The game then starts and they'll have a set shot from the same spot, then bc they don't have a drilled routine and nerves kick in, suddenly the run up length and speed changes , they have to consider the man on the mark, the force and height of the kick changes so of course there is a different result!! It might go through, it might not, but a hell of a lot of it has been left to chance.

Buddy kicks it off the in-step. the ball goes right of his instep, but will always come back right to left for the lefty.
if he kicked off the outside of the boot, would start left and work back left to right.
John Barker had the instep kick mastered. soft left to right fade on everything.

 

[cryptor]

when you said disappointed, that led me to say blame. if thats not what you meant, then my bad.
But i still cant be disappointed in a guy who was in a shouting match with player and pulled up for no reason.
Nor am i worried about the incident with Selwood. Worried me more that off the ball incidents happened all over the place all night, yet only this one got picked up. mitchell copped it all night especially.
We play our best when we are on the edge. When on the edge, occasionally you go over. I am happy to take the good with the bad.

Hodge is a star - no doubt about that - but this one little incident is one that I'm sure he'd look back at and be annoyed that he had got sucked in so easily.

Selwood hit him and then ran off towards 50. Hodge charged after him and threw an arm into his back but Selwood knew he was coming and propped so Hodge's momentum carried him forward over the top making it look much worse than it was. The ump was right there and couldn't possibly miss that retaliatory act (though they found a way to miss the push in the back of Rioli in the last quarter).

The subsequent 50m penalty whether it was just or not wouldn't have been able to be paid if the original free hadn't been awarded. It was a game of inches and we gave up a mile here.