Some Questions For Atheists

[Richo83]

whats wrong boy. Thats 3 days in a row you have replied to me with rubbish.

You replied to me calling me an arrogant twerp or something like that, I responded saying that isn't very kind. Then I posted saying that abortion is simple, now this. So really it's only one comment cry me a river. Dear god. If I get banned for saying: "cry me a river" then this place has gone to the dogs.

Do you not think you fall into the category that evo and chief described?

Not really.

I think froggy has no other way of describing his god in any other way but cliche karate kid euphemisms. I mean you can't really delve into the field of logic or reason to describe or prove god.

 

[Chief]

Whatever makes you happy chief.

I think it makes you a weirdo. I've not seen anyone here mention anything along the lines that belief in God makes you a pedophile. Except you.

 

[skipper kelly]

I think it makes you a weirdo. I've not seen anyone here mention anything along the lines that belief in God makes you a pedophile. Except you.

No of course you havent.

 

[Qsaint]

true eh. reading this board one would tend to think believing in God makes one a paedophile and a wierdo. strange how different people percieve the same thing.

Whilst the Preists involved in the kiddy fiddling should be locked up for good, its easy to forget this is a society wide phenomenon and there is no proof Christians are any more involved than athiests. Secondly nearly 100, 000 people joined Catholic orders last century providing Health services and Education to the poor when the Government didn't. Infact the Christian Churches have underpinned the whole welfare system since the beginning of this country it surprising the bleedding hearts don't recognise this.

 

[FIGJAM]

Whilst the Preists involved in the kiddy fiddling should be locked up for good, its easy to forget this is a society wide phenomenon and there is no proof Christians are any more involved than athiests.

I think you just violated the Atheist's Code in admitting that!

 

[skipper kelly]

Whilst the Preists involved in the kiddy fiddling should be locked up for good,.

Absolutely. The Catholic Church's handling of this has been a disgrace. Far beyond disgraceful. Evil is how I think of these people and the cover ups that have and probably still are occuring. They are evil men hiding behind the cloak of Godliness which makes it even more pathetic.

its easy to forget this is a society wide phenomenon and there is no proof Christians are any more involved than athiests.

One only has to read a newspaper or listen to the radio to understand this.

Secondly nearly 100, 000 people joined Catholic orders last century providing Health services and Education to the poor when the Government didn't. Infact the Christian Churches have underpinned the whole welfare system since the beginning of this country it surprising the bleedding hearts don't recognise this.

Im not sure Qsaint. Isnt society always focused on evil before good.

 

[fairdinkum]

I think froggy has no other way of describing his god in any other way but cliche karate kid euphemisms. I mean you can't really delve into the field of logic or reason to describe or prove god.

 

[Richo83]

I think you just violated the Atheist's Code in admitting that!

Even I would admit that. Christianity in no real way causes or correlates with kiddy fiddling, everyone knows that. The kiddy fiddlers can't blame their religion, they should blame themselves for being perverted freaks. I know a few priests and they're capable of keeping their hands to themselves.

 

[JW Frogen]

What came first, the pedophile or the priest?

 

[DaveW]

Christianity in no real way causes or correlates with kiddy fiddling, everyone knows that.

So you disagree with the suggestion that the enforced celebacy of Catholic priests plays a role here?

 

[Richo83]

So you disagree with the suggestion that the enforced celebacy of Catholic priests plays a role here?

Yes, there are plenty of priests who don't sexually abuse. Pedophilia is as much a psychiatric condition as anything, and has more to with their psychotic state than their marital status.

Heck there are many married kid fiddlers, doesn't stop them. Saying that celibacy is the problem is a copout, it simplified the problem to suggest that removal of that will solve the problem. It wont. There will always be pedophiles and the best way to halt priest pedophilia is to remove the pedophiles from the clergy. I mean pedophilia occurs in normal society with it's marriage, which doesn't stop pedophilia.

 

[DaveW]

That's a very simplistic response Richo, and you know it.

It's not enough to say that there are married paedophiles and well behaved priests. The test is whether unrealistic expectations of celebacy makes a person more likely to rape children.

No one is suggesting the church invented paedophilia. The question is whether they've made it more widespread by denying their priests mature sexual relationships.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

That's a very simplistic response Richo, and you know it.

It's not enough to say that there are married paedophiles and well behaved priests. The test is whether unrealistic expectations of celebacy makes a person more likely to rape children.

No one is suggesting the church invented paedophilia. The question is whether they've made it more widespread by denying their priests mature sexual relationships.

How do the Catholic molestation rates compare with that of the Anglican church, which allows its clergy to marry and have kids? Does it simply come down to the fact that those areas of high contact with children (and a high degree of unsupervised trust) such as priests, scout masters, teachers, etc naturally would attract people with such a mindset?

 

[FIGJAM]

No one is suggesting the church invented paedophilia. The question is whether they've made it more widespread by denying their priests mature sexual relationships.

Or energy transmutation exercises like Pranayama.

 

[btdg]

So you disagree with the suggestion that the enforced celebacy of Catholic priests plays a role here?

I would disagree with that. You are confusing pedophillia, which is an abuse of power, with some sort of adult sexual behaviour. Can repressing sexual behaviour lead to its outlet through power abuses? I'm not sure that conclusion is logical, or proven statistically. Are people who are involuntarily celibate (ie the stereotypical virgin computer nerds) more likely to commit rape or become pedophiles?

The real issue here is the Catholic church's structures that enabled pedophilia in the first place, and its response including the explicit defence and protection of known pedophiles. All organisations that involve children (including schools, scouts, and all the others listed previously) with feature those who abuse their positions of power. Its how they proactively seek to firstly prevent those abuses, secondly minimise the harm if those abuses occur, thirdly to prosecute offenders and prevent them from occupying future roles in the organisation, and fourthly respond and compensate victims, that defines the success of an organisation in dealing with pedophilia. The Catholic church fails on all four counts, in my opinion.

 

[JW Frogen]

So you disagree with the suggestion that the enforced celebacy of Catholic priests plays a role here?

Why would enforced celibacy (otherwise known as long term monogomy) make one abuse children?

Would the sane, but desperate priest just not go to a hooker, Nunn who wants some fun, or Internet pr0n site?

 

[The J Dog]

Why would enforced celibacy (otherwise known as long term monogomy) make one abuse children?

Would the sane, but desperate priest just not go to a hooker, Nunn who wants some fun, or Internet pr0n site?

Enforced celibacy is not natural and goes against our most basic human instinct.

Rapists don't choose the prettiest victims. They choose the easiest prey. Usually people they know.

Having power over the victim could be something the perpetrator is looking for, and could help them cover up the crime.

A desperate priest would be just as desperate not to get caught, ruling out the nunns and hookers in most cases.

 

[JoondalupJ]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

2) Explain this quote:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”


Keep in mind he was not considered mad and by all accounts was a great man.

3) My stomach exists for food, my faith exists for what reason?

4) Explain Lourdes, Fatima, Padre Pio, Stigmata, Incorrupt bodies

Please good answers not idiotic atheist insults

Where'd you get all that absolute provable info man?

 

[JoondalupJ]

It make a massive difference, people of faith have way better lives than us, I am greatly jealous of them, the more i hang out with them, i still wish i had their mind virus, it is a sweet delusion. You cannot judge without experiencing it, so i trust them when they speak of how great it is to have the faith they have.

Well put! I agree. People with faith don't have the fear of the reality, that, we poor old humans, appear to be aware of our existance and need something to help us live through our life having to have a reason.But unless I'm wrong, there is no reason, just an over developed animal with too big a brain that bloody well thinks too much.
Now hopefully I'm wrong, and there is more to whatever this is (human existance that is). So I just don't know .But I have trouble believing in supernatural tales from the legendary past, when all these stories, whatever anyone might say, were written by
blokes and maybe sheilas a long time ago. Free will is a strange excuse. To allow it and at the same time allow, because of it, the horrors that we inflict on each other. You know the old saying you better be peaceful like us, or we'll nuke ya!

 

[JW Frogen]

Enforced celibacy is not natural and goes against our most basic human instinct.

Rapists don't choose the prettiest victims. They choose the easiest prey. Usually people they know.

Having power over the victim could be something the perpetrator is looking for, and could help them cover up the crime.

A desperate priest would be just as desperate not to get caught, ruling out the nunns and hookers in most cases.

I agree about the celebacy part, we were meant to go forth and multiply.

It is in our genetic code. And if we can not multiply, we still want to go forth. Just ask Elton John.

But I would think a horny Preist would be better off paying a hooker than attacking the faithful.

But then, I think all religion is simply people talking at God rather than listening to God.

 

[Richo83]

That's a very simplistic response Richo, and you know it.

It's not enough to say that there are married paedophiles and well behaved priests. The test is whether unrealistic expectations of celebacy makes a person more likely to rape children.

No one is suggesting the church invented paedophilia. The question is whether they've made it more widespread by denying their priests mature sexual relationships.

You think pedophilia can be cured by marriage? Many sexual abuse cases feature married men. There is no conclusive evidence which links celibacy and pedophilia. I mean the anglicans have had sexual abuse cases before.

Anyway, even if you think the church is in some way responsible, you can't defend pedophilia or try and blame it on someone else. Maybe a simple keep you're dick in your pants and stop touching kids would work.

 

[evo]

Well put! I agree. People with faith don't have the fear of the reality, that, we poor old humans, appear to be aware of our existance and need something to help us live through our life having to have a reason.But unless I'm wrong, there is no reason, just an over developed animal with too big a brain that bloody well thinks too much.
Now hopefully I'm wrong, and there is more to whatever this is (human existance that is). So I just don't know .But I have trouble believing in supernatural tales from the legendary past, when all these stories, whatever anyone might say, were written by
blokes and maybe sheilas a long time ago. Free will is a strange excuse. To allow it and at the same time allow, because of it, the horrors that we inflict on each other. You know the old saying you better be peaceful like us, or we'll nuke ya!

The general theme of existentialism is there is no higher meaning 'out there' and one makes their life the project.I really can't see a flaw in that thinking;it's well conceived and appears consistent with empirical evidence,yet still offers a gameplan (so to speak).It seems to me the only type of existence a human could experience that could accurately be described as 'free'

I don't understand this desire to be a slave inherent in people of faith.

 

[FIGJAM]

The general theme of existentialism is there is no higher meaning 'out there' and one makes their life the project.I really can't see a flaw in that thinking;it's well conceived and appears consistent with empirical evidence,yet still offers a gameplan (so to speak).It seems to me the only type of existence a human could experience that could accurately be described as 'free'

"Man lives his life in sleep, and in sleep he dies." - G. I. Gurdjieff

Your idea of "free" is sonabulism to others.

 

[evo]

Funnily enough I read a fair bit of Gurdjieff, Fig--he was a fair-dinkum fruit in my view.

 

[evo]

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