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This thing has raised many questions that will not go away as easily as the AFL want them to.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/08/25/1124562977589.html

Jones' version under growing pressure

By Caroline Wilson and Karen Lyon
August 26, 2005

CHANNEL Nine journalist Tony Jones was under mounting pressure last night as it emerged that the AFL investigation into Jones' claims — that umpires gloated over Fremantle's narrow win over St Kilda on Friday night — could find no witness to corroborate his story.

St Kilda supporter and businessman Mitch Rentessis, a passenger on the Perth-Melbourne flight who claimed he overheard umpire Matthew Head's comments and scribbled two versions on his boarding pass, is believed to be overseas and has not responded to overtures from AFL investigators.

Meanwhile, at least two business-class passengers have come forward supporting Head's version of events.

As the investigation reached its conclusion, Jones was called into AFL headquarters for the second successive day. He continued to insist that Head had claimed a victory for the umpires following St Kilda's defeat — a supposed reference to umpire criticism by Saints coach Grant Thomas earlier in the week.

Collingwood president Eddie McGuire is understood yesterday to have accepted that the widely reported "$20,000 and four (premiership points)" reference he heard while boarding the flight came from a passenger standing alongside umpire Brett Allen — not from an umpire.

The AFL investigation team has questioned other passengers who verified that the comment did not come from an umpire.

While the AFL was last night considering all the evidence gathered in recent days, the mounting belief from head office was that Jones' version of events would not be accepted and he could face legal action from the umpires as a result of his claims.

The weekend talkback caller to Triple M who supported Jones' version of events has not come forward, nor been identified by chief investigator Allan Roberts or his assistant Bill Kneebone. The best-case scenario for Jones is that their findings could be inconclusive.

Head has continued to vehemently deny making any comment to Jones about the match, flippantly or otherwise.

He has been given a vote of confidence by the AFL by being selected to officiate in Sunday's Skilled Stadium clash between Geelong and Richmond.

Yesterday, Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse called for more scope for coaches to speak out about the umpiring. He described the coaches' conference — the forum designed for coaches to discuss all topics of the game — as "the most useless thing in the history of the world".

"All we are told now is how many people go to the game, (umpires' boss) Jeff Gieschen gets up and tells us how many right free kicks there were, how many bounces that actually bounced straight up, how many were crooked."

Malthouse said the AFL needed a forum where the coaches input would be listened to and acted upon. "The only forum I know of is the coaches' conference. We're not given a fair say. Under those circumstances, you wonder why we react the way we do."
 
bloodsports said:
Jones' version under growing pressure

By Caroline Wilson and Karen Lyon
August 26, 2005

CHANNEL Nine journalist Tony Jones was under mounting pressure last night as it emerged that the AFL investigation into Jones' claims — that umpires gloated over Fremantle's narrow win over St Kilda on Friday night — could find no witness to corroborate his story.

St Kilda supporter and businessman Mitch Rentessis, a passenger on the Perth-Melbourne flight who claimed he overheard umpire Matthew Head's comments and scribbled two versions on his boarding pass, is believed to be overseas and has not responded to overtures from AFL investigators.
Funny that

Meanwhile, at least two business-class passengers have come forward supporting Head's version of events.
So 2 people came forward supporting Head and the one guy who could support Jones has gone overseas?

Love to see Murray and Joffaboys spin on this.



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bloodsports said:
........He has been given a vote of confidence by the AFL by being selected to officiate in Sunday's Skilled Stadium clash between Geelong and Richmond.............


Anyone know which team Umpire Head followed as a kid? I sure hope it was the Tigers :cool:
 
noddy said:
Should sue the pants of him but more than likely the AFL will want it all to just go away.
Head might be reminded of Gary Honey's defamation suit before he goes visiting lawyers. I wonder whether it will go away by vilifying Jones ? The prospect of umpires acting with malice or not being entirely even handed is worrying. During the week other allegations were raised that support the conclusion that Head and co might have acted maliciously

Time given to St kilda players to dispose of the ball less than that given to Fremantle players
Free kicks not paid to St Kilda players

It's not over yet.
 
Good to see the confidentiality of the investigation is being maintained.

Bit like vilification cases really . . . selective leaks to spin what the AFL want.

Tony Jones in a sense has provided the AFL with an out for the performance Friday Night. He can be their scapegoat.

Leaving the plane flight aside, why aren’t the umpires being sanctioned for their performance BEFORE the game? To me that is a bigger issue than the comments.
 
JeffDunne said:
Good to see the confidentiality of the investigation is being maintained.

Bit like vilification cases really . . . selective leaks to spin what the AFL want.

Tony Jones in a sense has provided the AFL with an out for the performance Friday Night. He can be their scapegoat.

Leaving the plane flight aside, why aren’t the umpires being sanctioned for their performance BEFORE the game? To me that is a bigger issue than the comments.


The AFL are masters at spin
They will totally shift the focus onto something or someone else.

They will bury this deeper that the obvious COI of Evans and Spotless.
 
JeffDunne said:
Leaving the plane flight aside, why aren’t the umpires being sanctioned for their performance BEFORE the game? To me that is a bigger issue than the comments.
So according to your spin on events the 3 umpires should be sacked never to umpire again?

JD= says umpires who make comments bringing game into disrepute should be sacked

JD=says umpires who dont visit changerooms are bringing the game into disrepute in a worse manner than alluding to collusion

ergo 3 umpires not 1 should be sacked.

Have I got that right or would I be correct in saying your a whiny St Kilda b*tch who cant get over the fact his clubs season is nearly over due to umpiring?

Heres a tip JD... interstate sides supporters have been B*tching about umpires for the last 3 months. Get over it
 
fearlessone77 said:
Wonder what JeffDunne is going to do for "proof" now.
Good morning my little lonesome stalker. Hope all's well.

Nothing has change as far as the "facts" are concerned. If you have information, actually I'd be happy with even the hint of an opinion from you as that would be a first, feel free to join in an adult conversation.

Yeah, yeah . . . I know . . . "StKilda crap Carlton Good" *tug-tug-tug*
 

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it's bollocks if this does get buried without an investigation being launched and deciding either way.
can you imagine if this happened in cricketing circles or the European soccer comp., there would be a scandal of monumental proportions.
you can't just smooth over an issue like this and not expect it to rasie questions about the integrity of the comp.
the AFL can't have it both ways in that coaches/clubs can't question issues in the comp., and then do nothing about it themselves.
who's left to comment, der Fuhrer Demitriou ???
 
crudbucket said:
Huh ? Please tell me more !
He lost and came a cropper on costs. Come to think of it, it wasn't defamation, it was misuse of his image in advertising. Defamation's not easy. Jeff Kennet lost one he was expected to win. Abbott won the one he was expected to lose.
 
I think the umpires should stay well away from legal action. Too costly, unlikely to get a conclusive outcome, makes you look too precious.

Assuming they are cleared by the investigation, a strong public statement should suffice. Assuming the AFL lets them make any public statement, which they may not because the AFL don't know how to handle these things.
 
JeffDunne said:
Good morning my little lonesome stalker. Hope all's well.

Nothing has change as far as the "facts" are concerned. If you have information, actually I'd be happy with even the hint of an opinion from you as that would be a first, feel free to join in an adult conversation.

Yeah, yeah . . . I know . . . "StKilda crap Carlton Good" *tug-tug-tug*

Jeffrey I dont understand , you wish me to join in an adult conversation but open the discourse with a sledge "Good morning my little lonesome stalker" and then make reference to masturbation "tug-tug-tug"

So what is it to be Jeffrey an adult conversation or this rubbish you regularly spew forth. Forgive me if this is the way yourself and your "adult" friends communicate I must be more advanced socially from you than I first thought.

Carry on!!!!
 
PerthCrow said:
So according to your spin on events the 3 umpires should be sacked never to umpire again?

JD= says umpires who make comments bringing game into disrepute should be sacked

JD=says umpires who dont visit changerooms are bringing the game into disrepute in a worse manner than alluding to collusion

ergo 3 umpires not 1 should be sacked.

You are happy for umpires to no only take personal bias into a game - but to highlight it to the team before the game?

Right? I understand, no problem with that. Hell, it was only St Kilda. :rolleyes:

Have I got that right or would I be correct in saying your a whiny St Kilda b*tch who cant get over the fact his clubs season is nearly over due to umpiring?

Heres a tip JD... interstate sides supporters have been B*tching about umpires for the last 3 months. Get over it
Our season over due to umpiring? LMFAO.

Firstly, your team will decide who we play. As results have panned out it really makes little difference that we lost last week. From our perspective much has been gained from last Friday Night. At least we now know they won't cheat so openly with the level of scrutiny that will be on them.

Secondly, St Kilda actually complained about the umpiring in a game we won.

Read that last bit again. We won - then we complained.

Here I'll make it simple for you to understand.

We played against the Kangaroos, the umpires were deplorable (in fact seemed intent on nothing other than running the game score up), and in fact favoured us. Ask any Kangaroo supporter that watched the game. BOTH the Kangaroos and StKilda complained to the umpires officially. Laidley having a small dig after the game, but after the pathetic response received GT went public. Remember, Laidley had complained, both clubs had complained and THEN GT made his public comments.

In an effort to punish St Kilda, the umpires displayed bias against us Friday Night. Leave what happened on the field aside, what happened BEFORE and AFTER the game was umpire bias.

Actually, why did I bother with all that?

You're a typical non-Victorian supporter. Of course you support the AFL - why wouldn't you? Ahhh that's right . . . they're in Victoria.
 

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fearlessone77 said:
Jeffrey I dont understand , you wish me to join in an adult conversation but open the discourse with a sledge "Good morning my little lonesome stalker" and then make reference to masturbation "tug-tug-tug"

So what is it to be Jeffrey an adult conversation or this rubbish you regularly spew forth. Forgive me if this is the way yourself and your "adult" friends communicate I must be more advanced socially from you than I first thought.

Carry on!!!!
LMFAO - I've made plenty of relevant posts in this thread. Where's yours?

For you lonesome, why would I waste my time with a sensible reponse? Nothing you say is any more intelligent than what my dog gives me. He drops a stick, I throw it, he brings it back, I throw it.

Roll over and I'll rub your tummy. :rolleyes:
 
JeffDunne said:
blah blah.
I see you chose to ignore my question

Do you think the 3 umpires should be sacked for not shaking hands with the St Kilda players in the room beforehand?

Do you believe that the umpires cheated and conspired against ST Kilda against Fremantle?
 
JeffDunne said:
LMFAO - I've made plenty of relevant posts in this thread. Where's yours?

For you lonesome, why would I waste my time with a sensible reponse? Nothing you say is any more intelligent than what my dog gives me. He drops a stick, I throw it, he brings it back, I throw it.

Roll over and I'll rub your tummy. :rolleyes:

You missed calling me a Lemming, your slipping you ********en waste of space.
 
PerthCrow said:
Do you believe that the umpires cheated and conspired against ST Kilda against Fremantle?
Sorry to but in on your argument. Before Jones' the revelations and other observations that have emerged, I'd have scoffed at those suggestions, as I think you are. Now I'm not so sure.
 
PerthCrow said:
I see you chose to ignore my question

Do you think the 3 umpires should be sacked for not shaking hands with the St Kilda players in the room beforehand?

Do you believe that the umpires cheated and conspired against ST Kilda against Fremantle?
1) I don't know.

I don't know exactly what happened so how could I say they should be sacked? I do feel however the AFL should have stood them down pending the results of the investigation. Any credible organisation would.

2) Do I believe they cheated? Hard question to answer. If you’re asking whether I thought they deliberately went out and tried to alter the result of the game, no I don't (not based on the evidence). Do I think they wanted to send St Kilda a message - bloody oath I do.

That's the problem I have with the umpires. Running battles between the umpires and certain clubs has gotten completely out of hand - that's the story in all this.


If (2) can be proven (and the evidence on the public record suggests rather than proves the case), then I'd definitely answer (1) as YES.

If this is nothing more than run-away egos and the umpires losing sight of their primary role, then I'm sure things can be sorted out less dramatically.

See either way I see this whole episode as a win for the clubs. Finally the AFL will need to address the issue rather than passing complaints off as biased whinging.

This may all look like a backdown, but I think we might actually see change.
 

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