Analysis Speculation best team in 2016: List & depth analysis

[apparentlydead]

Got to wonder how AP did slip down to pick 37 considering KPF/KPD usually get taken at higher picks

That Bond is such shit at this caper.

 

[_007_]

Post trade period update:

FB: Ibbotson A Pearce Grey
HB: Sutcliffe Johnson Mundy
C: Hill Bennell Crozier
HF: Walters Fyfe Weller
FF: Ballantyne Sandilands Pavlich
R: Clarke Neale Barlow

I: Sherridan D Pearce Blakely Taberner.

 

[Sweetback]

He actually played midfield as a junior and then grew 10cm in a year and became KP.

So he can play forward, back and in the middle, like someone else we know.

 

[wayToGo_]

B Sutcliffe Dawson Spurr
HB Ibbotson Johnson C.Pearce
C Hill Fyfe Bennell
HF Mayne A.Pearce Walters
F Ballantyne Pavlich Taberner
FOL Sandilands Mundy Neale
INT Griffin Barlow D.Pearce Modrabito

Thinking plenty of talls in the forward line to at least bring it to ground might work if Sunshine and Ballas can position themselves better for the crumbs next season. I prefer that more dynamic and free flowing attacking strategy over forcing a stoppage, letting the opposition settle their defence and then trying to score through it.

I just don't know how you create more forward options (at least at the start of the year) without moving A.Pearce to the forward line which means Dawson at FB. Think we have to go Griffen over Clarke as he has more potential to score. If Apeness has a good pre-season he could slot in instead of Taberner as I think alongside Pav and Pearce he brings something better than Tabs. I really don't like the idea of playing Fyfe forward - his natural game is surely in the heat of it in the midfield.

Of course if our Modrabito creation comes to fruition then that changes everything. Well at least until someone chops out his legs.

Important pre-season for Freo. Hope they find some more attacking gold in their depth.

 

[scon]

Do you think the "chops out his legs" bit could be covered by 'remains injury free wayToGo_ ?
It's a little unsavoury/graphic for mine after what he's been through.Just that superstitious tempting fate don't wish injury on any player type of thing.
Yes I'm over sensitive and a little precious.
It does seem an unnecessary thing to say though..I understand you are mispelling his name for reasons best known to you..but I don't really get that either.
Who's Sunshine?

 

[E Shed]

Grey Dawson Spurr - the hard nuts. Go on, try and kick a bag on this lot.

Sutty MJ Ibbo - the intercept markers and setup line

Hill Barlow Weller - the runners on the outside. Barlow in the middle all day, let him roam.

Bennell Fyfe Morabito - Power, talent, excitement

Balla A Pearce Sonny - Alex will smash a path for the smalls and take hangers

R. Sandi, Mundy, Neale - the engine room

I/C. Clarke, Crozier, Sheridan, Dan Pearce.

Unlucky - Griff, Suban, DeBoer, Clancee, Blakely, Langdon, Mayne, Silvagni, Taberner, Mzungu, Smith.
Pav not included as his future is unknown.
Langdon/Blakely next cab off the rank if Sheridan, Crozier aren't cutting it.

 

[Clems Knee]

B Sutcliffe Dawson Spurr
HB Ibbotson Johnson C.Pearce
C Hill Fyfe Bennell
HF Mayne A.Pearce Walters
F Ballantyne Pavlich Taberner
FOL Sandilands Mundy Neale
INT Griffin Barlow D.Pearce Modrabito

Thinking plenty of talls in the forward line to at least bring it to ground might work if Sunshine and Ballas can position themselves better for the crumbs next season. I prefer that more dynamic and free flowing attacking strategy over forcing a stoppage, letting the opposition settle their defence and then trying to score through it.

I just don't know how you create more forward options (at least at the start of the year) without moving A.Pearce to the forward line which means Dawson at FB. Think we have to go Griffen over Clarke as he has more potential to score. If Apeness has a good pre-season he could slot in instead of Taberner as I think alongside Pav and Pearce he brings something better than Tabs. I really don't like the idea of playing Fyfe forward - his natural game is surely in the heat of it in the midfield.

Of course if our Modrabito creation comes to fruition then that changes everything. Well at least until someone chops out his legs.

Important pre-season for Freo. Hope they find some more attacking gold in their depth.

Okay so I did a quick search of your term "Modrabito". kp junior mentioned it on Tuesday and again on Wednesday and it copped a few replies. Then you joined yesterday and have used it more times than it has ever before.
So, 1. You are kp junior and having a lend. Or 2. You thought that term was really cool when you read it this week and it inspired you to join up.
My bet is that you are the dolphin f...er.

 

[apparentlydead]

Who's Sunshine?

Wut?

refers to signature

 

[meima]

Sunshine = McCarthy

 

[scon]

But McCarthy don't play for us.
Hence my confusion and question.
Didn't get how "Sunshine and Ballas can position themselves better for the crumbs next season."

 

[wayToGo_]

Okay so I did a quick search of your term "Modrabito". kp junior mentioned it on Tuesday and again on Wednesday and it copped a few replies. Then you joined yesterday and have used it more times than it has ever before.
So, 1. You are kp junior and having a lend. Or 2. You thought that term was really cool when you read it this week and it inspired you to join up.
My bet is that you are the dolphin f...er.

The Dolphin f...er? Really? How long did it take for you to come up with that gem of a dig? The whole tongue-in-cheek point is that I liked "modrabito" because it is no more ridiculous than half the hairbrained solutions to our forward line on these forums - eg the delusion of Fyfe becoming the best forward in the AFL over a single pre-season. I have been reading the forums for a few weeks but didn't sign up to BF any earlier because of the ridiculous ranting over the trade period - just don't have the energy to deal with that much idiocy all at once. A bit (obviously I am responding to this) but not a lot.

 

[wayToGo_]

But McCarthy don't play for us.
Hence my confusion and question.
Didn't get how "Sunshine and Ballas can position themselves better for the crumbs next season."

Yep meant Sonny not Sunshine obviously - wishful thinking perhaps that we had some how managed to pull off a miracle on the last day of trade. Nice take aways from my post though... really narrowed in on the important parts I thought. Not sure why I was expecting some kind of semi-intelligent conversation in an online forum Note to self... expect less.

 

[apparentlydead]

eg the delusion of Fyfe becoming the best forward in the AFL over a single pre-season.

I see.

Just where has that been said?

Lyon has indicated that he will spend a lot more time forward next year and the discussion has focussed around that.

Maybe I'm wrong? Link please?

 

[wayToGo_]

I see.

Just where has that been said?

Lyon has indicated that he will spend a lot more time forward next year and the discussion has focussed around that.

Maybe I'm wrong? Link please?

why so confrontational? Just had a quick look at your last few dozen posts - you seem to spend half your time on BF telling everyone else what to do and think and that their opinion is invalid because it isn't the same as yours and the other half liking any post where someone throws a juvenile insult at someone else. Happy to point you in the direction of some hairbrained forward solution posts if you can point me to a post of yours with any substance or constructiveness in the past fortnight... because I can certainly point you to a number of mine and I am only up to 15 posts total.

 

[apparentlydead]

why so confrontational? Just had a quick look at your last few dozen posts - you seem to spend half your time on BF telling everyone else what to do and think and that their opinion is invalid because it isn't the same as yours and the other half liking any post where someone throws a juvenile insult at someone else. Happy to point you in the direction of some hairbrained forward solution posts if you can point me to a post of yours with any substance or constructiveness in the past fortnight... because I can certainly point you to a number of mine and I am only up to 15 posts total.

You need to thicken your skin. You also need comprehension lessons.

I asked you a simple question.

If you're going to embellish stuff then be prepared to have it queried.

 

[jerms]

My turn! Based on the highly unlikely (but for mine, ideal) permutation that we draft Kieran Collins at 22, Marcus Adams at 35, Mitch Brown at 61, Grimley as a DFA and rookie Mason Shaw. Bootsma worth a rookie spot too, but I see him as depth for Ibbo's role for now - keep on the books and get some meat on the kid. In this scenario we at least have the balance of probabilities on our side in terms of at least one of two of the new tall timber being of value to us in the long-term. We'd also have pick 74 to gamble with (small forward?), or to pass on and retain another rookie elevation.

B: Spurr, Johnson, Dawson/Adams
HB: Ibbotson, APearce, Hill
C: Bennell/DPearce, Fyfe, Sheridan
HF: Brown, Tabs/Grimley, Ballantyne
F: Walters, Pavlich, Crozier/Mayne
Fol: Sandi, Mundy, Barlow
I/C: Griffin/Clarke/Apeness, Neale, Sutcliffe/Grey, Weller/Langdon
Emg from: Mayne, de Boer, M Shaw, Collins, Blakely, Morabito

Also, first post in a while - welcome back to life apparentlydead!

 

[DudleyDocker]

My turn! Based on the highly unlikely (but for mine, ideal) permutation that we draft Kieran Collins at 22, Marcus Adams at 35, Mitch Brown at 61, Grimley as a DFA and rookie Mason Shaw. Bootsma worth a rookie spot too, but I see him as depth for Ibbo's role for now - keep on the books and get some meat on the kid. In this scenario we at least have the balance of probabilities on our side in terms of at least one of two of the new tall timber being of value to us in the long-term. We'd also have pick 74 to gamble with (small forward?), or to pass on and retain another rookie elevation.

B: Spurr, Johnson, Dawson/Adams
HB: Ibbotson, APearce, Hill
C: Bennell/DPearce, Fyfe, Sheridan
HF: Brown, Tabs/Grimley, Ballantyne
F: Walters, Pavlich, Crozier/Mayne
Fol: Sandi, Mundy, Barlow
I/C: Griffin/Clarke/Apeness, Neale, Sutcliffe/Grey, Weller/Langdon
Emg from: Mayne, de Boer, M Shaw, Collins, Blakely, Morabito

Also, first post in a while - welcome back to life apparentlydead!

Solid return jerms.

 

[Unique Name]

Grey Dawson Spurr - the hard nuts. Go on, try and kick a bag on this lot.

Sutty MJ Ibbo - the intercept markers and setup line

Hill Barlow Weller - the runners on the outside. Barlow in the middle all day, let him roam.

Bennell Fyfe Morabito - Power, talent, excitement

Balla A Pearce Sonny - Alex will smash a path for the smalls and take hangers

R. Sandi, Mundy, Neale - the engine room

I/C. Clarke, Crozier, Sheridan, Dan Pearce.

Unlucky - Griff, Suban, DeBoer, Clancee, Blakely, Langdon, Mayne, Silvagni, Taberner, Mzungu, Smith.
Pav not included as his future is unknown.
Langdon/Blakely next cab off the rank if Sheridan, Crozier aren't cutting it.

I like it E Shed........
but poor Griff. Thought he did more than enough to cement his spot over Clarke. Was also our most accurate goal kicker.

 

[E Shed]

I like it E Shed........
but poor Griff. Thought he did more than enough to cement his spot over Clarke. Was also our most accurate goal kicker.

agree. its touch and go but Clarkes best is very good and with full fitness and another pre-season I'd like to see him at least tried.
I do like Griff as well but I think I'd start with the other 2 and keep Griff as depth for the number 1 spot if one of the others goes down and bring him in if Clarke squibs again.

 

[rodney hoo]

agree. its touch and go but Clarkes best is very good and with full fitness and another pre-season I'd like to see him at least tried.
I do like Griff as well but I think I'd start with the other 2 and keep Griff as depth for the number 1 spot if one of the others goes down and bring him in if Clarke squibs again.

I think Clarke is very much a confidence player and it dropped away when his knee got sore. I was at the wafl game when he got knocked out and before that looked really good then lost another week and never got back. Think he's in for a big year though I firmly believe Sandi has few seasons left in him so Zac really has to work on his forward game.

 

[YelloMit]

This is who I would line-up in 2016. I assume a few things.... That Pav is gonna play on, Tanner Smith is elevated, Mora is fully fit, and that none of our draftees start straight away.

FF: Ballantyne, Pavlich, Walters
HF: Bennell, Taberner, Morabito
C: Hill, Mundy, D Pearce
HB: Sheridan, A Pearce, Johnson
FB: Spurr, Dawson, Ibbotson
R: Sandilands, Fyfe, Neale
I/C: Griffin, Sutcliffe, Smith, Barlow

EMG/Unlucky: Weller, Mayne, de Boer, Langdon, Mzungu, Clarke, Blakely, Suban, C Pearce, Silvagni, Crozier, Grey, Apeness

 

[meima]

This is who I would line-up in 2016. I assume a few things.... That Pav is gonna play on, Tanner Smith is elevated, Mora is fully fit, and that none of our draftees start straight away.

FF: Ballantyne, Pavlich, Walters
HF: Bennell, Taberner, Morabito
C: Hill, Mundy, D Pearce
HB: Sheridan, A Pearce, Johnson
FB: Spurr, Dawson, Ibbotson
R: Sandilands, Fyfe, Neale
I/C: Griffin, Sutcliffe, Smith, Barlow

EMG/Unlucky: Weller, Mayne, de Boer, Langdon, Mzungu, Clarke, Blakely, Suban, C Pearce, Silvagni, Crozier, Grey, Apeness

Like your line up but prefer jerms.

 

[rgauci]

They say your 2nds team should be a younger version of your firsts team ready to step in as they retire...so where do we sit?

Spurr(28) Dawson(29) Ibbotson(27)
Sutcliffe(23) Johnson(31) Sheridan(21)
Hill(25) Fyfe(24) D.Pearce(29)
Bennell(23) Pavlich(33) Walters(24)
Ballantyne(28) Taberner Griffin(29)
Sandilands(32) Mundy(30) Neale(22)
Int: Barlow(27) DeBoer(25) Mayne(26) Suban(25)

2nds
Grey(20) T.Smith(21) Silvagni(28)
Hughes(20) A.Pearce(20) C.Pearce(25)
Langdon(19) Morabito(23) Mzungu(29)
Crozier(21) Hurley(23) Weller(19)
Hannath(24) Apeness(20) ????
Clarke(25) Blakeley(19) ?????
Int: ????? ???? ??? ????

Now you can shuffle the teams however you like. Drop 'best' 22s, play an extra tall but ultimately:

our weakest spots in the 22: FF, FB, the Pearce wing, HBF plus interchanges.

Our oldest: CHF, CHB and ruck.

Our best depth: CHB, ruck, wing/HFF/midfield.

So it's clear we are short at least 2 KP forwards and 1 young key position back.

It's put into question the list spots of Mzungu, Silvagni, not much point having guys that old that aren't best 22. I guess you need blokes like that to be relied upon as depth. Also makes Hannath look completely superfluous.

 

[Clems Knee]

They say your 2nds team should be a younger version of your firsts team ready to step in as they retire...so where do we sit?

Spurr(28) Dawson(29) Ibbotson(27)
Sutcliffe(23) Johnson(31) Sheridan(21)
Hill(25) Fyfe(24) D.Pearce(29)
Bennell(23) Pavlich(33) Walters(24)
Ballantyne(28) Taberner Griffin(29)
Sandilands(32) Mundy(30) Neale(22)
Int: Barlow(27) DeBoer(25) Mayne(26) Suban(25)

2nds
Grey(20) T.Smith(21) Silvagni(28)
Hughes(20) A.Pearce(20) C.Pearce(25)
Langdon(19) Morabito(23) Mzungu(29)
Crozier(21) Hurley(23) Weller(19)
Hannath(24) Apeness(20) ????
Clarke(25) Blakeley(19) ?????
Int: ????? ???? ??? ????

Now you can shuffle the teams however you like. Drop 'best' 22s, play an extra tall but ultimately:

our weakest spots in the 22: FF, FB, the Pearce wing, HBF plus interchanges.

Our oldest: CHF, CHB and ruck.

Our best depth: CHB, ruck, wing/HFF/midfield.

So it's clear we are short at least 2 KP forwards and 1 young key position back.

It's put into question the list spots of Mzungu, Silvagni, not much point having guys that old that aren't best 22. I guess you need blokes like that to be relied upon as depth. Also makes Hannath look completely superfluous.

Nice premise.


So according to your first and second team, we need to look for the following in the draft:

Replacement for Dawson. Fullback for the gorillas. Unless Tanner Smith makes it. Then happy days.
Replacement for Ibbotson. A good intercept mark who plays on the third tall.
Replacement for D Pearce and Mzungu. Wingman who delivers inside 50s.
Replacement for Pav as CHF. Strong marking forward to provide a target.
Replacement for Ballantyne. Electric small forward.

Pav's replacement is the most needed, as he will be leaving first: this year or next year. But he is also the hardest to replace, especially with a pick in the twenties. Mayne will probably have to take the role. It would be nice if Hurley makes it, but a long way to go. (Of course, Pavlich is irreplaceable - goes without saying).

I think we could get a third tall forward (Gunston like) or a good Ibbo replacement with a second round pick.
There are a few good runners in the draft too.

But the real bonus is that players already on our list can step up: Sheridan would make a good wingman, Grey can occupy his position, and despite being unpopular on this board, Suban and de Boers' experience and aggression will mean they continue to get games.

 

[theGav56]

I think Hurley needs to have an impact next season, meaning that he needs to get some game time. As an international rookie and therefore new to the game, he needs to see if he can make it and what his key areas that he needs to improve are. Of course most of that will happen at wafl level but the seniors is different. In addition he is physically mature and ready to go.

If Apeness is not ready early I would like to see Hurley getting primed in the pre-season for a forward role, and then get a shot in the best 22.