Analysis Stadium deals - what, how, when - why we need a new one and the SA footy paradigm shift happening

[Ford Fairlane]

As per Creighton's comments above, 7 news confirmed the deal is done. The announcement was to be this week but has been pushed back.

Port and the crows are said to be much better off under the new deal.

ash_78 you can come out of witness protection.

 

[Papa G]

Won't have to bash Ash.

 

[*PAF]

Is ash is good.

 

[raman]

They decided that a press leak would be a better announcement at this time of year than a press conference.

I like it.

 

[Quadzilla]

Sorry ash_78 but the envelope is already on its way

 

[Ford Fairlane]

They decided that a press leak would be a better announcement at this time of year than a press conference.

I like it.

It's like a present fell off Santa's sleigh.

 

[OneGreatClub]

As per Creighton's comments above, 7 news confirmed the deal is done. The announcement was to be this week but has been pushed back.

Port and the crows are said to be much better off under the new deal.

ash_78 you can come out of witness protection.

Well doen Ash

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Amateur hour. The sanfl has chance to win some positive PR before Christmas and they decide to bury it into the holiday period. And they wonder why they are becoming irrelevant.

oh well if its signed then the accounts can be adjusted for a material post balance date event.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Sorry ash_78 but the envelope is already on its way

In your letterbox in a few days time will be a letter marked 'Return to sender'.

 

[finbarr]

I never doubted Ash.

 

[Papa G]

I never doubted Ash.

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That came out in 81. Just doesn't seem that long ago.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Ok Ash_78, so what is the $$ uplift. Are you at liberty to say, and will KT be pleased with the outcome?

 

[ash_78]

Sorry ash_78 but the envelope is already on its way

Any xmas present is a good one

 

[TheFVK]

A couple very interesting revelations which Ash will no doubt reveal once it's all been announced..

 

[ash_78]

At last I can say the words "you heard it here first".

I only know the basic figures, but from what I've heard the club is happy... it's a win.

 

[AdamMarrett]

At last I can say the words "you heard it here first".

I only know the basic figures, but from what I've heard the club is happy... it's a win.

Well done and thanks for the updates you could post....I for one am glad it's sorted.

 

[Papa G]

Am I the only one who, until I see Olsen smiling through gritted teeth like he's just eaten a s**t sandwhich, outlining just what those theiving campaigner's have given back to us, I will not be completely convinced?

 

[Kwality]

Businesses in and around the Adelaide Oval area would be benefiting massively on big event days. While that may not be money directly into Government or Council coffers, they could charge a bit more in rent or rates etc for that sort of thing. There is a lot of money being spent in the precinct that didn't exist before 2014, and not just at the Oval, which is why the government were falling over themselves to sign the deal to get footy to the city.

22 games a year, cream yes, but it wouldnt do much for helping a business break even - the limited number of games at Docklands (40+) is being offered as a reason for the high prices for food - Adelaide Oval has 22 games. Where has Gil gone?
Get used to it, every party to this deal is guilty of stuffing it royally.

 

[ash_78]

Ok Ash_78, so what is the $$ uplift. Are you at liberty to say, and will KT be pleased with the outcome?

Not going to repeat the figures I've heard, but they looked good. We're very profitable

 

[*PAF]

22 games a year, cream yes, but it wouldnt do much for helping a business break even - the limited number of games at Docklands (40+) is being offered as a reason for the high prices for food - Adelaide Oval has 22 games. Where has Gil gone?
Get used to it, every party to this deal is guilty of stuffing it royally.

Yeah but Docklands had a limited time in which the owners had to make their money back plus a profit on top of that for shareholders. They are also fairly idle in the off season.
They've already had over 160,000 spectators since footy finished at AO and the ones that went to test cricket stay there a lot longer than just 3 hrs.

 

[philreich]

Up from $41 thousand to $311 thousand is massive in my book.

Yeah they're damn good at pulling the wool over people's eyes. If I recall correctly, the Emergency Services Levy was supposed to be a small, temporary impost on SA taxpayers. Politicians clearly believe the ordinary residents don't remember anything they're told, and therefore there's nothing wrong with telling lies. Suddenly we're hit with this massive increase, to help pay for their incompetence.

 

[philreich]

Not going to repeat the figures I've heard, but they looked good. We're very profitable

Are you able to say if Keith Thomas' prediction of a surplus are on the money, given the figures you've seen?

 

[Boxx]

I only have one question Ash... will the increase have put us in the black for 2014 or at least close to it??

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Papa G you might be interested in this. I dug up the licences that was signed between the Minster, SMA, SANFL and SACA on 17 November 2011 and tabled in Parliament on 1 May 2012. The SMA Sub Lease wasn't tabled but it is referred to in the 2 licences.
https://www.parliament.sa.gov.au/Ho...Petitions/Pages/TabledPapersandPetitions.aspx

The Sub Lease if for 80 years but the licence to play footy is for 4 x 20 year periods. Its why the SANFL/SMA wanted us to sign a 20 year lease. The 2 documents are simliar but differ in the rights granted to the SACA in their licence and the SANFL in theirs. I have cut and pasted a few of interesting things. The SACA can do what they want re cricket for 80 years, the SANFL have 20 year at a time restrictions - need to watch those campaigners closer.

Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act - SACA Licence Deed between Minister for Transport and Infrastructure and South Australian Cricket Association Inc -

SACA LICENCE DEED
BETWEEN
MINISTER FOR TRANSPORT AND INFRASTRUCTURE
(Minister)
-AND SOUTH AUSTRALIAN CRICKET ASSOCIATION INC

BACKGROUND
A. The Minister has been granted both a lease of the Adelaide Oval Core Area and a
licence over the Adelaide Oval Licence Area by the Corporation of the City of
Adelaide pursuant to the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act, 2011
(the "Act").

B. The Minister has agreed to grant SACA a priority licence to unrestrictedly and
exclusively use the Adelaide Oval Core Area for Cricket Purposes for a term permitting
the occurrence of that number of complete, successive Cricket Periods between the
commencement of this Deed and the expiry of the Council Lease upon the terms and
conditions contained in this Deed.

C. The Minister has also agreed to grant SANFL a priority licence to unrestrictedly and
exclusively use the Adelaide Oval Core Area for Football Purposes for a term
permitting the occurrence of twenty complete, successive Football Periods (with a
right to renew that term for three further terms each of twenty (20) years, provided
that the final term must expire on the date of expiry of the Council Lease and that
final term may be less than twenty (20) years) upon the same terms and conditions,
other than for necessary changes, as are contained in this Deed.

D. The Minister has agreed to grant a sublease in registrable form to SMA over the
Adelaide Oval Core Area for the purpose of the day to day management, operation and
control of the Adelaide Oval Core Area and to facilitate its use by the Minister, SMA
SANFL and SACA.

E. The sublease to the SMA shall be granted subject both to the Licence granted by this
Deed and to the SANFL Licence Deed.
F...
G....

1. DEFINITIONS
....
1.43 "SMA" means Adelaide Oval SMA Limited (ABN 46 141 259 538).
1.44 "SMA Lease" means the registrable sublease of the Adelaide Oval Core Area
to be granted by the Minister to SMA pursuant to section 5 of the Act.
...
1.48 "Term" means, subject to any earlier termination, a term of approximately 80
years:

4. LICENCE TERM
4.1 The Licence is granted for each Cricket Period during the Term.
4.2 This Deed applies for the Term.

The SANFL licence
Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act - SANFL Licence Deed between Minister for Transport and Infrastructure AND South Australian National Football League Inc -

SANFL LICENCE DEED
BETWEEN
MINSTER FOR TRANSPORT AND INFRASTRUCTURE
("Minister")
-AND SOUTH AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE INC.

BACKGROUND
A. The Minister has been granted both a lease of the Adelaide Oval Core Area and a
licence over the Adelaide Oval Licence Area by the Corporation of the City of
Adelaide pursuant to the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act, 2011
(the "Act").

B. The Minister has agreed to grant SANFL a priority licence to unrestrictedly and
exclusively use the Adelaide Oval Core Area for Football Purposes for a term
permitting the occurrence of twenty complete, successive Football Periods (with a
right to renew that term for three further terms each of up to twenty complete Football
Periods) upon the terms and conditions contained in this Deed.

C. The Minister has also agreed to grant SACA a priority licence to unrestrictedly and
exclusively use the Adelaide Oval Core Area for Cricket Purposes for a term permitting
the occurrence of that number of complete, successive Cricket Periods between the
commencement of the SACA Licence Deed and the expiry of the Council Lease upon
the same terms and conditions, other than for necessary changes, as are contained in
this Deed.

D. The Minister has agreed to grant a sublease in registrable form to SMA over the
Adelaide Oval Core Area for the purpose of the day to day management, operation and
control of the Adelaide Oval Core Area and to facilitate its use by the Minister, SMA
SANFL and SACA.

E. The sublease to the SMA shall be granted subject both to the Licence granted by this
Deed and to the SACA Licence Deed.
F. ....
G....

1. DEFINITIONS
....
1.49 "Term" means, subject to any renewal pursuant to clause 4 and any earlier
termination, a term of approximately 20 years:
1.49:1 commencing on the 15 March following the Date of Practical
Completion of the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment or such earlier date
as the Minister, SANFL and SACA may agree in writing; and
1.49.2 expiring on the 7 October of the Football Period which is the twentieth
(20th) complete, successive Football Period after the commencement
of this Deed, and includes any Renewed Term.

4. LICENCE TERM
4.1 The Licence is granted for each Football Period during the. Term.
4.2 This Deed applies for the Term.
4.3 Subject to clause 4.4, the Minister shall, upon the written request of SANFL
made not later than 24 months before the expiration of the Term or of any
Renewed Term, and if at the time of such request there shall not be any
existing breach or non-observance of any of SANFL's obligations pursuant to
this Deed, grant to SANFL an extension of this Deed for a further term of
twenty (20) years on the same provisions as are contained in this Deed.
4.4 SANFL may request, and clause 4.3 only obliges the Minister to grant, an
extension of the Term for three further terms each of twenty (20) years,
provided that the final term must expire on the date of expiry of the Council
Lease and that final term may be less than twenty (20) years.
4.5 Upon the exercise of SANFL's final right of renewal pursuant to clause 4.3, or
if the Term or any Renewed Term is not extended pursuant to clause 4.3, the
SANFL shall have no further right to renew or extend the Term

But Clause 12 is a beauty in both licence deeds

12. CLEAN FACILITY FOR INTERNATIONAL OR AD HOC EVENTS
12.1 Subject to clause 12.3, to the extent required by the Minister to satisfy a
requirement of any organiser, convener or owner of an International Event or
Ad Hoc Event held pursuant to clause 7.10, during each Football Period and
to the extent applicable outside of each Football Period, SANFL must:
12.1.1 remove or fully cover any branding, signage, advertising or other
commercial identification located by SANFL or with SANFL's
authorisation within the Adelaide Oval Core Area;
12.1.2 suspend any permit, licence, tenancy or right granted by SANFL or
with SANFL's authorisation for a third party to undertake a commercial
activity, or otherwise use any facility, within the Adelaide Oval Core
Area;
12.1.3 suspend any commercial activity undertaken by SANFL within the
Adelaide Oval Core Area;
12.1.4 suspend the public sale by SANFL or with SANFL's authorisation of
food, beverages, souvenirs, merchandise or any other products
nominated by the Minister within the Adelaide Oval Core Area;
12.1.5 suspend any other event or activity undertaken by SANFL or with
SANFL's authorisation within the Adelaide Oval Core Area;
12.1.6 permit the Minister, or any person nominated by the Minister, to use
any of SANFL's facilities, equipment, items, fixtures or fittings (for
example, without limitation, kitchens, bars, crockery, cutlery, napery,
etc) located within the Adelaide Oval Core Area (excluding any
facilities, equipment, items, fixture or fittings ordinarily located within
the SANFL Office) subject always to the Minister's obligation to replace
(with the same matching design and quality) or restore to its former
condition (as the case may he) any of the foregoing which is lost
damaged or destroyed;
12.1.7 permit the Minister, or any person nominated by the Minister, to install
branding, signage, advertising or other commercial identification, or
undertake any of the activities referred to in sub-clauses 12.1.1 to
12.1.5;
12.1.8 do any other act, matter or thing required by the Minister to satisfy any
such requirements in relation or incidental to the provision of a clean
facility for an International Event; and
12.1.9 do any other act, matter or thing reasonably required by the Minister to
satisfy any such requirements in relation or incidental to the provision
of a clean facility for an Ad Hoc Event, -
for the purpose of the staging, and for the duration, of an International or Ad
Hoc Event.
12.2 SANFL must ensure that any agreement entered into by it in respect of
Adelaide Oval Core Area is subject to, consistent with and does not, in any
way, impede its ability to perform or comply with its obligations under clause
12.1.
12.3 The Minister must, in respect of an Ad Hoc Event held pursuant to clause 7.10
use reasonable commercial endeavours to:
12.3.1 limit the extent to which SANFL is required, pursuant to clause 12.1, to
suspend any commercial activity undertaken by SANFL, or a person
authorised by SANFL, in respect of the sale of food and beverages;
and
12.3.2 limit the extent to which SANFL is required, pursuant to clause 12.1, to
remove and cover branding, signage, advertising and other
commercial identification other than within the field of play and
television arc,
unless any such limitation could risk the loss of the Ad Hoc Event being held
at the Adelaide Oval Core Area or would otherwise not satisfy the applicable
commercial requirements for the staging of any such Ad Hoc Event.
12.4 The Minister may undertake or construct any Works on the Adelaide Oval
Core Area on a temporary basis, including during a Football Period, to satisfy
a requirement of any organiser, convener or owner of an International Event,
or Ad Hoc Event proposed by the Minister, without the prior consent of
SAN FL.
12.5 At the conclusion of each International Event or Ad Hoc Event the Minister
must reinstate with due expedition the Adelaide Oval Core Area to
substantially the same state and condition as it was immediately prior to the
commencement of the relevant Event

**

7. AD HOC EVENTS
7.2 The Minister may at any time during the Term, provide not less than three (3)
months' written notice to SMA, SACA and SANFL of a proposal that an Ad
Hoc Event (including an Event to be held pursuant to clause 7.10) be held by
the State at the Adelaide Oval Core Area.
7.10 The Minister may, on behalf of the State of South Australia, require that the
State, as of right, be permitted to stage up to three Ad Hoc Events at the
Adelaide Oval Core Area in any calendar year of the Term in addition to any
event proposed under clause 7.2. Such Ad Hoc Events shall be sponsored or
endorsed by Events SA or any of its successors, the Government of South
Australia or the State. The State shall give SMA and SANFL at least three
months' written notice of the State's intention to stage any such Ad Hoc Event.
The State shall pay the reasonable costs and expenses incurred by the SMA
for the preparation and cleaning of the Adelaide Oval Core Area and the
staging of any such Ad Hoc Event and SMA shall retain all catering revenues
for its own use and benefit and shall be responsible for all catering and
catering related costs and expenses, each as further specified in the SMA
Lease. The Minister will take control and possession of, and SMA and SANFL
must vacate, the Adelaide Oval Core Area (or such portion(s) of the Adelaide
Oval Core Area required by the Minister), for the period or periods specified in
the Minister's notice as required for the purpose of staging such Ad Hoc
Events, other than the SANFL Office.

7.9 All Ad Hoc Events will be arranged, promoted, controlled or conducted by the
SMA or the State, as provided in this clause 7.

7.10 The Minister may, on behalf of the State of South Australia, require that the
State, as of right, be permitted to stage up to three Ad Hoc Events at the
Adelaide Oval Core Area in any calendar year of the Term in addition to any
event proposed under clause 7.2. Such Ad Hoc Events shall be sponsored or
endorsed by Events SA or any of its successors, the Government of South
Australia or the State. The State shall give SMA and SANFL at least three
months' written notice of the State's intention to stage any such Ad Hoc Event.
The State shall pay the reasonable costs and expenses incurred by the SMA
for the preparation and cleaning of the Adelaide Oval Core Area and the
staging of any such Ad Hoc Event and SMA shall retain all catering revenues
for its own use and benefit and shall be responsible for all catering and
catering related costs and expenses, each as further specified in the SMA
Lease. The Minister will take control and possession of, and SMA and SANFL
must vacate, the Adelaide Oval Core Area (or such portion(s) of the Adelaide
Oval Core Area required by the Minister), for the period or periods specified in
the Minister's notice as required for the purpose of staging such Ad Hoc
Events, other than the SANFL Office.


7.11 SMA may charge the State a fee for the State's hire or use of the Adelaide
Oval Core Area for an Ad Hoc Event provided that:
7.11.1 the fee must be reasonable having regard to current commercial rates
for the use of similar facilities and must not be greater than the fee
ordinarily charged by SMA to other entities for a similar use or hire of
the Adelaide Oval Core Area; and
7.11.2 the State shall not be obliged to pay a hire fee in respect of an Ad Hoc
Event staged pursuant to clause 7.10

 

[ash_78]

I only have one question Ash... will the increase have put us in the black for 2014 or at least close to it??

Are you able to say if Keith Thomas' prediction of a surplus are on the money, given the figures you've seen?

Yes. Massively