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Miss Vanessa said:
I wish I knew. The clubs obviously believe these stats are important in some regard, otherwise Champion Data probably wouldn't collect them. I'd also think that certain stats are clearly more important for different types of player. The Crows hierarchy are clearly not too concerned that Talia doesn't put up big metres gained for example...
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From what I'm aware- clubs certainly like to have 2+ metres gained players . Helps to springboard off half back

Internally - pressure acts are massive and are highlighted in team meetings . And forward half pressure acts are even more highly rated considering the want to lock ball in forward half and create repeat entries

Haven't heard much about intercepts other than commentators saying that they think the WC model was built on them last year and that pyke may be encouraging guys like Talia to go for their marks more and win the ball back

Certainly looks that way - I think Talia had 8 marks on weekend (only 2 intercept marks admittedly but that's still up) and Hartigan's intercept stats would be massively up on last year when he was a 'punch and run' player with a more defensive mindset
 
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Miss Vanessa said:
It's in the physical paper. I'm just collating these stats each week out of interest, because you can't track them down anywhere else online... I think... If you can find these stats, please tell me. It'll save me 20 minutes every Sunday night
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If you have the ability to scan it in to a PC (eg. as an image or pdf file) there is software available that can do optical character recognition on it that should simplify things.
 
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Thought the scoring breakdown was particularly interesting. We're getting a LOT more scores from opposition turnovers. However, we're scoring less from clearances - I guess that's not surprising given that we've lost our biggest clearance winner.

Just wish they wouldn't bomb the ball blindly when they win the ball out of the centre clearances. Our F50 entries in general play are vastly improved from previous years, but the number of times we won the ball out of the centre and bombed it straight to the Richmond defenders was just horrendous.
 

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Miss Vanessa said:
Bloody hell. That sounds way too high tech... o_O
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It can be. Its used by Family History sites such as Ancestry and FindMyPast. There are some concerns over the accuracy of the process at times. But it is a time saver. Even if your time is spent correcting it must be better than starting from scratch
 
Vader said:
Thought the scoring breakdown was particularly interesting. We're getting a LOT more scores from opposition turnovers. However, we're scoring less from clearances - I guess that's not surprising given that we've lost our biggest clearance winner.
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Matt Crouch is doing ok

Just on the turnovers and I know the attitude seems to be '' who cares we are kicking goals and winning'' ( and that's ok) but combined with the low clearance goals I am concerned we are going to get touched up by a team who focuses on the turnover aspect of our game
 
GreyCrow said:
Matt Crouch is doing ok

Just on the turnovers and I know the attitude seems to be '' who cares we are kicking goals and winning'' ( and that's ok) but combined with the low clearance goals I am concerned we are going to get touched up by a team who focuses on the turnover aspect of our game
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Agree - Matt Crouch has been really good. Thought Lyons did a really good job on Saturday as well. Thommo is Thommo, enough said.

For all that, our scores from clearances are well down this year. That's been more than compensated by the increases in scoring from other avenues (turnovers leading to easy goals after we dissect the opposition's zone). This was always going to be the case this year, with a decrease in focus on the inside/contested ball, and an increased focus on the outside/uncontested ball.

For the last 2 weeks we've basically broken even against some fairly ordinary midfields. Port & Richmond are both B-grade at best, arguably C-grade given the players they were missing. We broke even on the inside and slaughtered them on the outside. This week we're up against a genuine A-grade midfield. All indications are that we're going to lose the inside battle fairly badly, not helped by Jacobs' ruck work being well below par at present. We know the outside game works well when we break even on the inside. This week is a big test - how well does our improved outside game perform when we lose the inside game?
 
simmo97 said:
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9 teams in Melbourne, two grounds.
 
Miss Vanessa said:
I wish I knew. The clubs obviously believe these stats are important in some regard, otherwise Champion Data probably wouldn't collect them. I'd also think that certain stats are clearly more important for different types of player. The Crows hierarchy are clearly not too concerned that Talia doesn't put up big metres gained for example...
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Walshy had a ladder on his desk that he maintained himself.

Inside 50's from Rebound 50's I think it was.

I assume CD has enough to support this type of analysis.

I reckon each coach will have his own views on top of the stuff most of them would look at.
 
ad victoriam said:
http://live-footy.adelaidenow.com.au/statscentre/index/20160320160140302
But unable to find the metres gained Which why I will thank Vader for supplying them.
Failing that the best way to find it Advertiser, AFL then click on one of the Match stats to the Right of the screen,
Should then get a screen like this.
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Sweet, thanks.

Here's another weird question - injury stats:
See this page:
http://www.injuryupdate.com.au/afl-adelaide-crows-injury-list.php
What they have there is interesting as it has the injury type, onset round and round of return/availability for the player. It seems fairly comprehensive, it even mentions the injuries where guys don't miss a game. But, they clearly don't update it, and I want a longer history than that...
Anyone know where this kind of injury stat is available?
 
Here's an interesting stat.
In round 3..
Gws and Gold Coast were older than us and had more games experienced than our round 3 team. GWS had 300 more games experienced than we had.

Carlton were also older than us, 150 games less experienced though.

http://afltables.com/afl/seas/2016.html

Click the match stats to see if needed.
 

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You're a gentleman and a scholar for doing this OP. Massively appreciate it.

Looking forward to this -

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Imagine being able to see the positions of players on the field at any point in the game. Being able to track a player throughout a match - instead of getting glimpses whenever the camera pans out. I'd kill for that but I know we'll probably never have it publicly.
 
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Vader said:
Thought the scoring breakdown was particularly interesting. We're getting a LOT more scores from opposition turnovers. However, we're scoring less from clearances - I guess that's not surprising given that we've lost our biggest clearance winner.

Just wish they wouldn't bomb the ball blindly when they win the ball out of the centre clearances. Our F50 entries in general play are vastly improved from previous years, but the number of times we won the ball out of the centre and bombed it straight to the Richmond defenders was just horrendous.
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The scores from turnovers stay is a bit concerning. Only reason our opp hasn't scored similarly to us is that they haven't kicked straight. Similar number of scoring shots, but we're more accurate. When someone kicks straight we're in for a bit of trouble I think.
 
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Danoz said:
The scores from turnovers stay is a bit concerning. Only reason our opp hasn't scored similarly to us is that they haven't kicked straight. Similar number of scoring shots, but we're more accurate. When someone kicks straight we're in for a bit of trouble I think.
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This is true to a certain extent, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

When Adelaide gets a turnover, our ball movement through the opposition's zone is outstanding. This has frequently resulted into players running into open goals, or taking uncontested marks a short distance out. This is why Adelaide's scoring accuracy from turnovers is so high. Adelaide have gone whole seasons without scoring as many goals "running into an open goal" as they have in the first 3 rounds.

On the other side of the coin, most of the time the opposition's movement into their forward line has been much slower. This has allowed us to setup our defensive structures, resulting in many of those shots being taken from wider angles and further out. That's why the opposition's accuracy is lower than ours.

It's not just a matter of "kicking straight", it's a matter of where the opposition are taking their shots. Our shots are, on average, in much higher probability scoring areas than where our opponents are kicking from.
 
Looking at the stats provided by Miss Vanessa, we've had exactly the same number of scoring shots as our opposition when scoring from kick ins (6 vs 6) & clearances (33 vs 33). We've had 8 more scoring shots from turnovers (55 vs 47).

What is notable is that we've been comprehensively outscored from clearances in 2 of the 3 games (North & Richmond) and our accuracy when scoring from centre clearances is very poor compared to the opposition. When it comes to clearance scores we've scored 17.16 (51.5%) to 20.13 (60.6%). This tells me that our defensive pressure is poor when the opposition win the clearance, and our defenders are often caught out. It also tells me that we're not getting a good return on our centre clearances, due to our habit of bombing it blindly directly to the opposition's "spare man in defence".

That said, I'm not sure that 3 games is enough to draw statistically meaningful conclusions.
 

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Vader said:
Looking at the stats provided by Miss Vanessa, we've had exactly the same number of scoring shots as our opposition when scoring from kick ins (6 vs 6) & clearances (33 vs 33). We've had 8 more scoring shots from turnovers (55 vs 47).

What is notable is that we've been comprehensively outscored from clearances in 2 of the 3 games (North & Richmond) and our accuracy when scoring from centre clearances is very poor compared to the opposition. When it comes to clearance scores we've scored 17.16 (51.5%) to 20.13 (60.6%). This tells me that our defensive pressure is poor when the opposition win the clearance, and our defenders are often caught out. It also tells me that we're not getting a good return on our centre clearances, due to our habit of bombing it blindly directly to the opposition's "spare man in defence".

That said, I'm not sure that 3 games is enough to draw statistically meaningful conclusions.
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The stats in both the port and Richmond game were skewed due to taking our foot off the pedal for the last quarter. Would be interesting to see what our stats would be without those 2 last quarters.
 
Player Stats after Round 3
Rank| Kicks |#| Handballs |#| Disposals |#| Cont Poss |#
\1| Brodie Smith |47| Matt Crouch |42| Scott Thompson |87| Matt Crouch |44|
\2| Scott Thompson |45| Scott Thompson |42| Rory Laird |82| Scott Thompson |42|
\3| Rory Laird |41| Rory Laird |41| Matt Crouch |75| Rory Sloane |29|
\4| Luke Brown |39| Rory Sloane |40| Brodie Smith |71| Eddie Betts |25|
\5| David Mackay |33| Paul Seedsman |26| Rory Sloane |61| Rory Laird |24|
\6| Matt Crouch |33| Sam Jacobs |25| Luke Brown |55| Richard Douglas |22|
\7| Jake Lever |31| Brodie Smith |24| David Mackay |53| Brad Crouch |20|
\8| Richard Douglas |31| Richard Douglas |21| Richard Douglas |52| Daniel Talia |20|
\9| Eddie Betts |29| Rory Atkins |21| Paul Seedsman |48| Kyle Cheney |19|
\10| Taylor Walker |28| David Mackay |20| Jake Lever |45| Sam Jacobs |18
Rank| Uncont Poss |#| Disp eff % |#| Clangers |#| Marks |#
\1| Rory Laird |59| Paul Seedsman |87.5| Brodie Smith |11| Rory Laird |24|
\2| Brodie Smith |52| Rory Atkins |87| Matt Crouch |11| Jake Lever |19|
\3| Scott Thompson |46| Kyle Cheney |86.9| Scott Thompson |11| Taylor Walker |18|
\4| Luke Brown |42| Josh Jenkins |86.2| Rory Laird |9| Josh Jenkins |17|
\5| Paul Seedsman |39| Jarryd Lyons |85.7| Brad Crouch |8| Luke Brown |16|
\6| David Mackay |38| Eddie Betts |82.5| Rory Sloane |8| Paul Seedsman |15|
\7| Matt Crouch |32| Kyle Hartigan |78.5| Sam Jacobs |8| Daniel Talia |14|
\8| Rory Sloane |32| Rory Laird |78.3| Mitch McGovern |7| Eddie Betts |13|
\9| Jake Lever |31| Nathan Van Berlo |77.8| Tom Lynch |7| Mitch McGovern |13|
\10| Richard Douglas |31| Daniel Talia |77.3| Luke Brown |6| Brodie Smith |12
Rank| Cont marks |#| Marks50 |#| Hit-outs |#| Clearances |#
\1| Mitch McGovern |4| Josh Jenkins |8| Sam Jacobs |104| Scott Thompson |22|
\2| Jake Lever |3| Eddie Betts |5| Josh Jenkins |17| Matt Crouch |17|
\3| Sam Jacobs |3| Taylor Walker |5| Rory Sloane |9| Brad Crouch |16|
\4| Taylor Walker |3| Tom Lynch |4| Scott Thompson |1| Richard Douglas |15|
\5| Daniel Talia |2| Mitch McGovern |3| || Rory Sloane |13|
\6| Josh Jenkins |2| Jarryd Lyons |1| || David Mackay |7|
\7| Kyle Cheney |2| Richard Douglas |1| || Rory Atkins |6|
\8| Wayne Milera |2| Sam Jacobs |1| || Sam Jacobs |6|
\9| Eddie Betts |1| Wayne Milera |1| || Eddie Betts |5|
\10| Kyle Hartigan |1| || || Rory Laird |5
Rank| Centre clr |#| Stoppages |#| Rebound50 |#| Frees For |#
\1| Richard Douglas |9| Scott Thompson |13| Brodie Smith |18| Matt Crouch |7|
\2| Scott Thompson |9| Brad Crouch |12| Daniel Talia |15| Eddie Betts |6|
\3| Matt Crouch |8| Matt Crouch |9| Jake Lever |12| Scott Thompson |6|
\4| Rory Sloane |5| Rory Sloane |8| Luke Brown |12| Kyle Cheney |5|
\5| Brad Crouch |4| Richard Douglas |6| Rory Laird |12| Richard Douglas |4|
\6| Jarryd Lyons |3| David Mackay |5| Kyle Cheney |8| Tom Lynch |4|
\7| Sam Jacobs |3| Rory Atkins |5| Matt Crouch |6| Wayne Milera |4|
\8| David Mackay |2| Eddie Betts |4| David Mackay |5| Brad Crouch |3|
\9| Rory Laird |2| Brodie Smith |3| Kyle Hartigan |5| Daniel Talia |3|
\10| Brodie Smith |1| Rory Laird |3| Paul Seedsman |4| Jake Lever |2
Rank| Frees Agst |#| Tackles |#| One %s |#| Bounces |#
\1| Scott Thompson |7| Scott Thompson |19| Daniel Talia |32| Brodie Smith |4|
\2| Matt Crouch |5| Matt Crouch |18| Jake Lever |21| David Mackay |4|
\3| Rory Sloane |4| Eddie Betts |13| Kyle Cheney |15| Rory Atkins |3|
\4| Sam Jacobs |4| Rory Sloane |13| Kyle Hartigan |12| Brad Crouch |2|
\5| Taylor Walker |4| Paul Seedsman |12| Brodie Smith |8| Paul Seedsman |2|
\6| Jake Lever |3| Luke Brown |10| Sam Jacobs |8| Rory Sloane |2|
\7| Rory Atkins |3| Mitch McGovern |9| Josh Jenkins |7| Wayne Milera |2|
\8| Brodie Smith |2| Richard Douglas |9| David Mackay |5| Luke Brown |1|
\9| David Mackay |2| David Mackay |8| Mitch McGovern |5| Richard Douglas |1|
\10| Josh Jenkins |2| Kyle Hartigan |8| Nathan Van Berlo |5| Tom Lynch |1
Rank| Inside50 |#| Goals |#| Behinds |#| Goal assists |#
\1| David Mackay |16| Josh Jenkins |10| Taylor Walker |7| Josh Jenkins |6|
\2| Scott Thompson |16| Eddie Betts |9| Mitch McGovern |6| Eddie Betts |5|
\3| Brodie Smith |13| Taylor Walker |7| Eddie Betts |5| Rory Sloane |5|
\4| Richard Douglas |12| Tom Lynch |7| Josh Jenkins |3| David Mackay |3|
\5| Paul Seedsman |9| Richard Douglas |4| David Mackay |2| Brodie Smith |2|
\6| Brad Crouch |8| Mitch McGovern |3| Rory Sloane |2| Jarryd Lyons |2|
\7| Taylor Walker |8| Brad Crouch |2| Wayne Milera |2| Matt Crouch |2|
\8| Eddie Betts |7| Brodie Smith |2| Jake Lever |1| Mitch McGovern |2|
\9| Jarryd Lyons |7| Jarryd Lyons |2| Luke Brown |1| Paul Seedsman |2|
\10| Matt Crouch |7| Rory Sloane |2| Richard Douglas |1| Scott Thompson |2
Rank| Goal acc % |#| Time On Ground % |#| AFL Fantasy |#| Exie |#
\1| Brad Crouch |100| Daniel Talia |93.3| Scott Thompson |327| Scott Thompson |385|
\2| Brodie Smith |100| Josh Jenkins |91| Rory Laird |302| Rory Laird |361|
\3| Jarryd Lyons |100| Eddie Betts |89.7| Eddie Betts |270| Eddie Betts |334|
\4| Paul Seedsman |100| Jake Lever |89.7| Matt Crouch |257| Matt Crouch |312|
\5| Rory Laird |100| Sam Jacobs |88| Brodie Smith |256| Josh Jenkins |300|
\6| Sam Jacobs |100| Tom Lynch |87.5| Josh Jenkins |237| Brodie Smith |293|
\7| Richard Douglas |80| Kyle Cheney |87.3| Sam Jacobs |237| Luke Brown |280|
\8| Tom Lynch |77.8| Luke Brown |86.7| Luke Brown |236| Rory Sloane |274|
\9| Josh Jenkins |76.9| Taylor Walker |85.7| Rory Sloane |234| Taylor Walker |267|
\10| Eddie Betts |64.3| Brodie Smith |85.3| Richard Douglas |215| Sam Jacobs |262

Team Stats
Crows Stats| Total| Average| Rank| Compare To Mean| Compare To Opp| Opp Total| Opp Average
\Kicks| 629| 209.7| 5| +6.9| +7.7| 606| 202|
\Handballs| 493| 164.3| 11| -7.5| +1.3| 489| 163|
\Kick-Handball Ratio| 1.3| | 3| +0.1| +0| 1.2| |
\Disposals| 1122| 374| 9| -0.6| +9| 1095| 365|
\Cont Poss| 445| 148.3| 5| +7.2| -3.3| 455| 151.7|
\Uncont Poss| 689| 229.7| 10| -4.6| +14| 647| 215.7|
\Disp eff %| 73.6%| | 9| +0.3| -0.2| 73.8%| |
\Clangers| 142| 47.3| 4| -4| -2.7| 150| 50|
\Marks| 272| 90.7| 6| +3.8| +4.7| 258| 86|
\Cont marks| 27| 9| 13| -1.8| -7.3| 49| 16.3|
\Marks50| 29| 9.7| 16| -2.4| -1| 32| 10.7|
\Hit-outs| 131| 43.7| 5| +4.8| -4| 143| 47.7|
\Clearances| 129| 43| 1| +6.4| +4| 117| 39|
\Centre clr| 50| 16.7| 1| +3.3| +3| 41| 13.7|
\Stoppages| 79| 26.3| 4| +3.1| +1| 76| 25.3|
\Rebound50| 137| 45.7| 1| +6.6| +12.3| 100| 33.3|
\Frees For| 60| 20| 11| -0.7| +2.3| 53| 17.7|
\Frees Agst| 53| 17.7| 2| -2.9| -2.3| 60| 20|
\Tackles| 180| 60| 14| -6.3| -9.3| 208| 69.3|
\One %s| 160| 53.3| 2| +6.6| +1.7| 155| 51.7|
\Bounces| 22| 7.3| 7| +0.1| -1.3| 26| 8.7|
\Inside50| 169| 56.3| 5| +3| -3.3| 179| 59.7|
\Goals| 55| 18.3| 1| +4.8| +5| 40| 13.3|
\Behinds| 39| 13| 7| +0.8| 0| 39| 13|
\Total Score| 369| 123| 1| +29.8| +30| 279| 93|
\Rushed Behinds| 7| 2.3|
\Goal assists| 40| 13.3| 1| +3.7| +6| 22| 7.3|
\Goal acc %| 58.5%| | 3| +6| +10.3| 48.2%| |
\Goal acc % excl rushed| 63.2%|
\Score ratio per i50| 55.6%| | 3| +7.4| +11.49| 44.1%| |
\Goal ratio per i50| 32.5%| | 2| +7.22| +10.2| 22.3%| |
\Interchanges| 255| 85| 10| +1.4| | | |
 
Mackay has been playing well, you can't drop him.

But remember that missed handball that cost the Dogs the final last year? That is Mackay's bread and butter, that could happen to us.
 

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