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Well apparently we are the oldest and slowest team in the competition so I’d have thought a quest to speed the game up would suit faster younger teams more than us
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Well apparently we are the oldest and slowest team in the competition so I’d have thought a quest to speed the game up would suit faster younger teams more than us
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All this reads like is ‘when a rule change impacts us it’s a conspiracy, when it impacts another team it’s because it legitimately needed to be changed.’
Joel Bowden did it before Hawthorn in the 2008 GF.
It hasn't sped the game up. Rush into F50 and you're outnumbered.
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in a grand final with the whole world watching?
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Cook is staying at Geelong in another role
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Well yes and no. I don’t actually necessarily agree with the rule change but it has sped up all movement from one end to the other. Not sure how much Geelong footy you’ve watched this year but do you think it has helped us? We’ve added a Coleman medalist to our list and our recruit from hawthorn is probably top 4-5 in our best and fairest and I wouldn’t say we are playing better or exploiting any change in the game
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Richmond just happened to be collateral damage
That rule wasn't changed because of hawthorn. It was yet another rule change to counter a lowly Richmond.
Richmond great Joel Bowden changed the face of AFL when he conceded two points against Essendon rather than take kicks and risk a goal and a loss. He remembers back to 2008 and the rule change he caused, with STEVE VIVIAN.
Although I will concede the AFL did bite the bullet when Hawthorn used the tactic against the AFLs mascot club
Two high-profile incidents during the 2008 AFL season were largely responsible for the introduction of this rule. In Round 16, Richmond's Joel Bowden rushed two behinds in a row while kicking in to use up time towards the end of their game against Essendon, reducing the margin from 6 points to 4 points, but enabling Richmond to win the game.[1][2] Then the 2008 AFL Grand Final saw Hawthorn rush a record 11 behinds against Geelong.
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That rule wasn't changed because of hawthorn. It was yet another rule change to counter a lowly Richmond.
Richmond great Joel Bowden changed the face of AFL when he conceded two points against Essendon rather than take kicks and risk a goal and a loss. He remembers back to 2008 and the rule change he caused, with STEVE VIVIAN.
Although I will concede the AFL did bite the bullet when Hawthorn used the tactic against the AFLs mascot club
Two high-profile incidents during the 2008 AFL season were largely responsible for the introduction of this rule. In Round 16, Richmond's Joel Bowden rushed two behinds in a row while kicking in to use up time towards the end of their game against Essendon, reducing the margin from 6 points to 4 points, but enabling Richmond to win the game.[1][2] Then the 2008 AFL Grand Final saw Hawthorn rush a record 11 behinds against Geelong.
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Yeah somehow I don’t think a one off use of the tactic for a few minutes in a regular season game with no bearing on the flag caught the attention quite like the team who used it (and fair enough too, it worked) on the biggest day in the sport to beat a side that had gone 23-1 prior
Of all the things that could cause a team to slide down the ladder after a period of great success, I'd rank "rule changes" pretty low.
It is curious it is given such a high rank here.
It is curious it is given such a high rank here.
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Not sure if it can be attributed to the rule changes or Mrs Hardwicke flying the coop?
If the game has sped up, why isn't it showing on the scoreboard?
I'd say in general the ball is moving forward incrementally, carefully, so as not to surrender intercepts. Time in possession is replacing time in dispute.
You were attempting to use that figure to perpetuate the myth that Richmond fans are bandwagons.
Myth busted.
Seriously, you Geelong supporters suffer from the football equivalent of little man syndrome
This is right, once the season has settled, the game has not sped up at all.
The respective teams’ performances are not a reliable measure of the rights and wrongs of why and how the new rule changes were made.
There are so many other dynamics affecting teams’s performances, including of course organic improvement in younger opposition teams.
The trouble with this is none of us Richmond supporters are saying we have slid to 9th and getting beaten by weak teams due to the rule changes.
We are saying it is wrong the rule changes to suit Geelong’s style and hamper ours were brought in by a Geelong person. In the event both Richmond and Geelong were strong and made a Grand Final, that alone could be enough to make a difference in the result. As it happens we don’t look like being that strong and who knows where the Cats will end up when the whips are cracking.
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Again, does it suit us? It’s designed to speed up the game and we are not quick.
We were by far the highest marking team last year - a few hundred clear of the team in second. We are still above average but we are fourth for marks taken, and have 7 teams within 100 of us.
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Furthermore, of the top 6 teams - and there is very clearly a gap between the top 6 and the rest of the competition - the other five aside from the Cats are:
Melbourne: 11th for marks
Dogs: 14th for marks
Brisbane: 7th for marks
Port: 9th for marks
Geelong: 4th for marks
Sydney: 17th for marks.
Does the rule change actually suit a style of play based around a lot of chip kicking and uncontested marking?
Melbourne: 11th for marks
Dogs: 14th for marks
Brisbane: 7th for marks
Port: 9th for marks
Geelong: 4th for marks
Sydney: 17th for marks.
Does the rule change actually suit a style of play based around a lot of chip kicking and uncontested marking?
The rule change was purporting to speed up the game. That never meant it was certain to do so. It was always however certain to suit kicking/marking teams. Before the season even started I predicted this would lead to teams pushing more numbers back to defend inevitable entries, which is precisely what has occurred. And over the last 5 rounds or so I would say this has led to historically low scoring, definitely in the AFL/good drainage era.
The Cats’ 2021 stats showing they have moved from the highest kick/mark team to the 4th highest could mean any number of things or be a red herring. We will know more about that after the finals.
What we can see quite clearly, is that median and mean marks per team is higher this year is higher by at least approximately 5% than all bar one of the previous 10 seasons. And is clearly the highest it has been for 10 seasons. So approximately 10 more marks per game than before. Ten more times a player has the choice to go back and take 15 seconds(or more) off the clock before even making a choice as to whether he wants to go forward, backwards or at an angle. Another 2-3 minutes out of an 80 minute game.
Given I am comparing with whole seasons and we still have about 7 winter weeks to get through, perhaps that figure will correct yet, but at this stage it looks like marking is higher than previous seasons. Does marking speed up the game? I don’t think it does. Does it mean the ball moves from end to end more or covers more ground in terms of metres gained in a match? I don’t think it does. I would have thought surge football is the fastest ball movement you can get. And this rule is clearly anti-surge and pro-control.
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Just hoping something will leak about Hocking’s activity last year and why he or his masters had him apparently bingeing RFC videos and sticking pins into Cotchin dolls.
Absolutely bizarro stuff if true.
Absolutely bizarro stuff if true.
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Has there ever been a supporter base with such a large contingent of people with victim mentalities than Richmond?
Absolutely bizarro stuff.