Stevie J Does it again.

[beetz]

Decisions are made with a dart board - the whole set up needs an over haul.

However, Freo have been lucky/unlucky with the Ballas/Fyfe decisions. It's a flawed system and currently all teams are forced to deal with it and hold their breath week in week out.

 

[PapaJ]

No surprised in the least - not because he should have got off (according to the rules, he was guilty as charged AFAIC), but because the MRP/tribunal system is in disarray and anybody with even the remotest chance of getting off should be appealing. They are spooked badly and are just interested in placating public sentiment - you think it was a kangaroo court earlier in the season, it's positively pointless now. Any line ball charge is going to get off.

 

[manboob]

However, Freo have been lucky/unlucky with the Ballas/Fyfe decisions. It's a flawed system and currently all teams are forced to deal with it and hold their breath week in week out.

+1 I'd understand if it was consistently shit or over the top or precious but it's a complete chook lotto. Sauce gets off for breaking a blokes nose, and Conca and SJ were graded initially as equal.

 

[manboob]

Any line ball charge is going to get off.

Which is how it should be IMO.

 

[Simmofreo]

Decisions are made with a dart board - the whole set up needs an over haul.

However, Freo have been lucky/unlucky with the Ballas/Fyfe decisions. It's a flawed system and currently all teams are forced to deal with it and hold their breath week in week out.

This is why I am fuming !!! Fair enough Stevie will play and more than likely tear us a new one and be the difference. Because that's how th luck of these things go.

But what I am fuming at is that Dawson gets suspended for a trip , Fyfe for an ACCIDENTAL !!!! head bump, and ballas a Tummy tap. But Johnson can repeatedly drop his knee in to someone "Gently"

I hope ballas "Gently" punches someone in the head tho week with insufficient force because it's just as bad as dropping a knee in my opinion

 

[yoong]

This is the worse possible finding IMO. It's ok to knee you opponent the entire day, as long as you don't do it too hard...

 

[beetz]

+1 I'd understand if it was consistently shit or over the top or precious but it's a complete chook lotto. Sauce gets off for breaking a blokes nose, and Conca and SJ were graded initially as equal.

Yep, it's an absolute head scratcher as to how they come up with it.... Looking forward to the challenge though!

While I have you, will the curators at Kardy Park have the "HILLYS WING" sign up in time for the game?

 

[manboob]

While I have you, will the curators at Kardy Park have the "HILLYS WING" sign up in time for the game?

Haha go **** yourself!

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

This is the worse possible finding IMO. It's ok to knee you opponent the entire day, as long as you don't do it too hard...

Once again, the MRP is only concerned with if you do any damage (unless you make contact with the ball - supposedly, anyway - as with Merritt)

 

[beetz]

Haha go **** yourself!

hahaha too good of an opportunity to pass up.

good luck on the weekend

 

[yoong]

This is why I am fuming !!! Fair enough Stevie will play and more than likely tear us a new one and be the difference. Because that's how th luck of these things go.

But what I am fuming at is that Dawson gets suspended for a trip , Fyfe for an ACCIDENTAL !!!! head bump, and ballas a Tummy tap. But Johnson can repeatedly drop his knee in to someone "Gently"

I hope ballas "Gently" punches someone in the head tho week with insufficient force because it's just as bad as dropping a knee in my opinion

To be honest, like PapaJ said, the MRP and tribunal is just second guessing themselves. It shouldn't work this way.
However, we didn't have the guts take advantage and challenge the charges and just accepted the penalty, so we have make our own peace.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

What do you expect though? You'd be behaving the same way. Anyway game on! I hope we rest him though

You were one of the posters bitching about his report on the Geelong board.

 

[manboob]

You were one of the posters bitching about his report on the Geelong board.

Of course I was... what's your point. I'm a Geelong supporter. As per my profile...

I was stating that Freo fans would be up in arms too if one of their players was facing a stint on the sidelines for what SJ did.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Of course I was... what's your point. I'm a Geelong supporter. As per my profile...

I was stating that Freo fans would be up in arms too if one of their players was facing a stint on the sidelines for what SJ did.

Would they. Intent was there yet Fyfe gets done for far less.

 

[manboob]

Would they. Intent was there yet Fyfe gets done for far less.

No doubt at all. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Fyfe was unlucky - that's the rule now. Stevie J was done for the same thing. I think it's bullshit and said so at the time.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Of course I was... what's your point. I'm a Geelong supporter. As per my profile...

I was stating that Freo fans would be up in arms too if one of their players was facing a stint on the sidelines for what SJ did.

you would think we would be used to it by now

 

[PapaJ]

Which is how it should be IMO.

Maybe. I'd rather say that line balls should be examined carefully and charged accordingly. But the Rules/MRP/tribunal system's ability to do that with consistency is evidently simply not there. I'm really not referring to the SJ incident in isolation, I just think the the whole system is falling down because they've chopped and changed so much they don't know what to do any more. It's a system wide problem.

So I disagree, it shouldn't simply be 'if it's line ball let it slide' - the system should be robust enough to handle this properly.

And, frankly, if it's line ball they should charge because I want that garbage out of the game (whether it's Ballantyne doing it or SJ) - but that's just a personal preference thing. The rest of what I said I think is what the games needs regardless of personal preference.

 

[Boppo]

Got no probs with it. Let him play.

 

[manboob]

Another thing is that most players don't do stupid shit any more so the AFL seem to be focusing on the most trivial things they can.

 

[JamFrank]

I think points should carry over only if the act was deemed intentional.

This way, only dirty/dog acts receive carry over points and repeat offenders will still be punished more severely, as opposed to consistently unlucky players such as Fyfe.

This would reduce the amount of carry over points held by most players and therefore prevent innocuous events such as Ballantyne's love tap, or SJ knee drop from being given weeks, unless that player had a history of intentional acts.

If someone is over-zealous on the field and makes high contact while bumping, for example, and they were not intentionally sniping the opposition player, this should have no bearing on the punishment handed down for future offences.

In general, I feel that the MRP points system is flawed. There are too many dissimilar cases given similar punishments, and vice versa. In many cases this is a result of carry over points a player has for a completely unrelated, and possibly accidental/unintentional incident.

 

[estibador]

Another thing is that most players don't do stupid shit any more so the AFL seem to be focusing on the most trivial things they can.

And yet you disagreed with me on the main board when I said players shouldn't be ruled out of the Brownlow for such trivialities.

Now they have gradings only intentional charges should make you ineligible. Being shafted on a technical triviality doesn't make you an unfair player.

 

[manboob]

And yet you disagreed with me on the main board when I said players shouldn't be ruled out of the Brownlow for such trivialities.

Now they have gradings only intentional charges should make you ineligible. Being shafted on a technical triviality doesn't make you an unfair player.

My comments are not mutually exclusive.

 

[estibador]

My comments are not mutually exclusive.

It's not a very consistent position to hold though.

I don't see how any logical person could concede players are being suspended for trivial incidents (which are inconsistently applied too) but then defend a rule that labels them thugs and rules them out of winning awards because of the vagaries of a broken (if not downright corrupt) system.

 

[manboob]

I don't agree with all the road rules, but I think that penalties given down for breaking them are valid cause I like this in this society and stuff.

 

[JamFrank]

I don't agree with all the road rules, but I think that penalties given down for breaking them are valid cause I like this in this society and stuff.

For unintentional acts, I feel that weeks missed is penalty enough, as it will also negatively impact one's chances of winning awards anyway.