* Still missing *Malaysian Airlines plane with 239 on board

[grizzlym]

it would be at what's known as coffin corner where the wing stalls. it's ceiling is 43,100...it's not certified for 45,000...no chance of even getting it up that high at 70ton of fuel onboard.

Although it appears that the plane did get that high. Obviously the radar readings are inconclusive as such.

 

[BG32]

Are you saying that taking the plane to 45000 ft would instantly kill everyone on board?

It will and does. Without O2 masks

 

[Juddism]

Although it appears that the plane did get that high. Obviously the radar readings are inconclusive as such.

wouldn't believe it...I've never flown on a 777 that's gone beyond FL410. A380 is certified to 43,000 and the old 747SP can get to 45.000, but it's not done commercially.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Found this

http://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/airman_education/media/IntroAviationPhys.pdf

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A human clothed in everyday street apparel, rapidly exposed to an altitude of 45,000
feet, would become unconsciousness in 9 - 12 seconds with death shortly following. The
dangerous element here is the reduced partial pressure of oxygen found at this altitude.
Since air is a mixture of gases, it will behave as such and, therefore, is subject to the laws
that govern all gases. The following laws explain the effects of reduced barometric
pressure and its interplay on the human body.


and on 3-3 there is a table of Time of Useful Consciousness (TUC)

 

[Silent Alarm]

Probably hiding their demands and intentions and the fact they realised taking down the plane was the utilitarian way. Why not? Plenty of people will wax lyrical about how reactive a move it was so of course you can't go admitting it straight away, or ever. But they've always hid information and maybe this is why.

It seems fairly logical, at least more so than experienced pilots somehow running out fuel or crashing despite being able to change its directions. Unless a United 93 incident occurred and the passengers tried to rush the cockpit? But I don't see that as worth covering up. In fact it'd be some kind of heroic overturning and stand-up to terrorism...

The worst part is undoubtedly the fear the people on board would've had. At least a crash you're straight down and it happens fast. This'd have, potentially, seven hours of total fear. Absolute fear, the most you could ever experience. I hope a few passengers were at least with someone they loved for it.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

If they didn't know they were hijacked before fl450, they would have felt great before death.

Painless...better than drowning

 

[Silent Alarm]

If the plane was hijacked for a september 11 style attack you would think the attack would have already occurred. Waiting this long just gives anti terrorism agents time to thwart the operation. Motives are so unclear, but I suspect that the hijackers have been in contact with the US/China/Malaysia for some time now (if the plane is still intact)

Interesting. The fact it hasn't occurred yet could be why there's been no claim. They're waiting until the plane's driven into wherever before the organisation puts their hand up.

Pretty evil shit if that's indeed it.

 

[BG32]

The hijackers would want to give this thing a paint job. Cause if it's spotted in the skies fair chance it'll be taken down

 

[JHF1870]

Found this

http://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/airman_education/media/IntroAviationPhys.pdf

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A human clothed in everyday street apparel, rapidly exposed to an altitude of 45,000
feet, would become unconsciousness in 9 - 12 seconds with death shortly following. The
dangerous element here is the reduced partial pressure of oxygen found at this altitude.
Since air is a mixture of gases, it will behave as such and, therefore, is subject to the laws
that govern all gases. The following laws explain the effects of reduced barometric
pressure and its interplay on the human body.


and on 3-3 there is a table of Time of Useful Consciousness (TUC)

I only just learned in class this week, that 50% of the atmosphere is @ 5km, and 90% @ 16km. Highly unlikely you could breathe above 8km

 

[dont bowl there]

It hasn't been hijacked for a mass murder type of situation. This thing goes deeper than terrorism; governments and various organisations are involved. I believe it has been hijacked for the important intellectual property on board.

Why not just kidnap them on the way to the airport? Why take the hardest way to kidnap someone?

 

[BG32]

Mount Everest is nearly 9km and you need breathing device to reach the summit

 

[Moonwatcher]

Using 45,000 as a way of killing off passengers is an interesting idea but would it be possible to prevent the passengers from donning their oxygen masks? Maybe stay at 45,000 till the masks run out?

 

[Plugger35]

If they didn't know they were hijacked before fl450, they would have felt great before death.

Painless...better than drowning

Just like falling asleep and not waking up, better than crashing and being mutilated/burnt/drowned or probed by aliens.

Crazy shit whatever the end result is, approaching 9/11 levels of crazy.

 

[lewigie]

Yep, imagine if the plane has been loaded with explosives for a suicide mission. Shiiitttee

It would probably just be shot out of the sky? Sounds like a stupid plan to me.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Why not just kidnap them on the way to the airport? Why take the hardest way to kidnap someone?

Putting the fear of flying into a modern world so reliant on it is a big part. Also these are multi billion dollar businesses.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

Using 45,000 as a way of killing off passengers is an interesting idea but would it be possible to prevent the passengers from donning their oxygen masks? Maybe stay at 45,000 till the masks run out?

Yep. The hijackers have extra so they wait it out then descend back to fl230

That makes sense in the timeline we have been hearing.

 

[Juddism]

737-711 go to 41,000 feet. The Concorde used to regularly fly at 45,000+ feet.

Concorde had more wing area which meant it could fly higher, and smaller windows which helped with the pressurization issues...it was also quite thick skinned.

 

[Juddism]

Yep. The hijackers have extra so they wait it out then descend back to fl230

That makes sense in the timeline we have been hearing.

the one thing you're missing is the fact that it is impossible for the 777 to fly at 45,000 feet for any length of time, it'd stall, simple as that...it wouldn't even get that high, let alone cruise for a period of time.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Has ascending to 45000 ft been confirmed? I've seen it reported a few times but haven't come across a confirmation.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

the one thing you're missing is the fact that it is impossible for the 777 to fly at 45,000 feet for any length of time, it'd stall, simple as that...it wouldn't even get that high, let alone cruise for a period of time.

Only repeating what I heard.

However high, hypoxia the answer

 

[JeffDunne]

the one thing you're missing is the fact that it is impossible for the 777 to fly at 45,000 feet for any length of time, it'd stall, simple as that...it wouldn't even get that high, let alone cruise for a period of time.

From the NY Time article :

An Asia-based pilot of a Boeing 777-200, who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to reporters, said an ascent above the plane’s service limit of 43,100 feet, along with a depressurized cabin, could have rendered the passengers and crew unconscious, and could be a deliberate maneuver by a pilot or a hijacker.

There's no reason the plane couldn't have reached 45,000ft and then started descending without killing everyone on board. Depressurizing the cabin would be a bloody risky thing to do at that altitude if you had other plans.

 

[Yidaki]

Why not just kidnap them on the way to the airport? Why take the hardest way to kidnap someone?

I would have thought that it would be easier to do it during a flight. It would be harder to kidnap 20 pros at the one time on land. I don't think it's just the these professionals there after. I'm sure there was some pretty important equipment on board too.

 

[grizzlym]

Concorde had more wing area which meant it could fly higher, and smaller windows which helped with the pressurization issues...it was also quite thick skinned.

I know nothing about altitude and planes. Just doing a quick google.

I guess I'm questioning the assumption that going to that altitude would take the passengers out.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

I know nothing about altitude and planes. Just doing a quick google.

I guess I'm questioning the assumption that going to that altitude would take the passengers out.

Don't bother. It would.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Doing some reading and this really has some scary atmosphere right now. I'm no alarmist and thought a military had shot it down or terrorists had butchered a hijacking and it was in the sea, but far out, there's something about the changing narrative but the fact there's always something open ended: they tell us something but nothing near definitive. It's all open-ended information. So Kazakhstan is the most likely place it is, the Indian Ocean is just a nice little story that could be true and would be good to be true (this is evil to say but honestly, if they're planning on doing something else with the plane, this is the, ugh, 'hope'...).

My main hope is that with so much surveillance in everything, you have to hope there's a tracker that can never be turned off on a plane. Manually at least. Hopefully there's that and the Malay, Chinese, or US have geography on their side. And they're preparing a few guns to shoot the mutha****as out of the sky. Otherwise it could be strapped with some heavy gear...

A time to be pleased of our international political insignificance. I think...